hi folks!
as a german it is quite interresting reading this thread.
and you are doing good, PJ fans are educated!
You will and you wont figure out, what kind of questions i had to answer during the 08 east coast tour.
"is hitler still in charge?".....
war makes people behave like wild animals, and even worse. so sad. but i never will apologize for just being a german, what important is: never forget this, and try to learn that such terrible things will never happen again. build democratic systems that will allow no dictators be a master of puppets.
hi folks!
as a german it is quite interresting reading this thread.
and you are doing good, PJ fans are educated!
You will and you wont figure out, what kind of questions i had to answer during the 08 east coast tour.
"is hitler still in charge?".....
war makes people behave like wild animals, and even worse. so sad. but i never will apologize for just being a german, what important is: never forget this, and try to learn that such terrible things will never happen again. build democratic systems that will allow no dictators be a master of puppets.
I used to hang out with a ton of Germans when I was in college. They were awesome - some of the coolest people I've ever met. Germany is definitely high on the list of countries I want to visit one day soon.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Its great that your learning about it, but you forgot one key point. Most Germans were not Nazis. You cant categorize a country based on some crazy leaders. You say "will what goes around come around" on germany? the fact is, After WWI how the world treated Germany led to the rise of hitler, therefore one could say what goes around has come around on us.
Most of the Nazis died at the end of the war, and i would doubt that you have any "Nazi Blood". A better thought would be if any of your german anscestors helped the Jews, or fought against the Nazis like many germans did. (Ex: Operation Valkyrie). I think thats a much better thought for you to have
You....are in need of a history class. Most of the Nazis died at the end of the war? Seriously? I guess thats how Dr. Mengele died a free man in South America. Where exactly did you find this data that only the Nazi Germans died while the peace loving Germans lived on? Everyone in Germany and for that matter most of Europe was complicit in the Holocaust. Fact. Not even debatable. There are still Nazis alive and well both in Germany and other places.
Most of the Nazis died at the end of the war, and i would doubt that you have any "Nazi Blood".
Not true. After 1946, an "organisation" (German spelling/translation) was formed called Odessa. They faked some of the Nazis' deaths, like Martin Borgman, and helped them escape.
Also, the History Channel said something like thousands were accused, only some were tried, and even less actually convicted of the crimes. Descendants don't fall too far from the thinking tree. Its been almost a hundred years. What's scary is that while the dust has settled, hatred has still slowly been growing in some people. Hopefully, good will overcome evil this time around. Hopefully, there won't be a this time around.
I said most of the Nazis died. If you think that the Nazi army was only a couple thousand people then you are grossly mistaken. the army contained about 800,000 people. So saying that most of the Nazi's died is a fair statement. Say that say a few thousand nazi extremists survived, the population of Germany now is 81 million. The chance of having Nazi blood in you is extremely low.
Nazism isnt exactly a blood bourne virus. Just curious how an ideology gets into your blood? Semen?
If members of Hamas fire rockets from the Gaza strip and kill Israelis, is Hamas committing genocide as well? Are the Sunnies and Shiites waging genocide against each other? Are the Americans waging genocide against the Taliban? Are Mexican cartels waging genocide against their government?
War and conflict is horrible, that much I can agree on. Israel and Hamas are engaged in a conflict. Each side has a goal which is to occupy more territory. I don't feel it is acceptable to compare a conflict to what happened in Germany, Darfur, Rwonda, and Yugoslavia.
Your talking points are standard bullshit you find on some lame mainstream media network, the "conflict" did not start with Hamas firing rockets made of fertilizer. It started with a colonial settler movement not entirely unlike the French colonial settler movement. The Zionist movement, indeed the state of Israel itself was founded on terrorism. It was founded by kicking out hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. There is no genocide? They keep the Palestinians contained now in towns eerily similar to ghettos. Zionists poison their water supply, cut down their food sources and economic sources (olive trees), burn their buildings, and arrest/kill them on a regular basis. Do they have to be thrown into gas chambers before you all cry genocide? is the bombardment of the most densely populated place on the planet resulting in 1400 deaths the overwhelming majority of whom are civilian not enough? And speaking of Hamas, which is some weak ass resistance movement hardly worth mentioning, was the resistance movements against the Nazis, which existed, classify the Nazi genocide no longer a genocide? Is it now more proper to call it a "conflict" rather than genocide? the Rwandan genocide was also a conflict between 2 parties. It doesn't mean that one side didn't slaughter an entire people. And no analogy is perfect. Many different parties including Jews went through a tormenting period for those years. However those years are far fewer than the 60+ years Palestinians have been forced to live under oppression and some of the most tragic circumstances ever.
it's absolutely disturbing to see people in here minimizing the suffering of the Palestinians. This is the Holocaust industry, that no other conflict can compare to this. That once the Holocaust is mentioned, the Jews are seen again as victims--victims of an eternal crime that will never be forgotten, while all the other injustices especially the injustice done toward the Palestinians in the name of a "jewish state" goes by unchecked. there is no ranking of injustices. the holocaust is not the worst crime. quit placing it on its own pedestal. we should learn from it as much as we can of course, but the point of learning from it is to prevent anything like it from happening again. So where have we all been the last 6 decades when the Israelis have been terrorizing the Palestinians?
I find it disturbing that when thread on the Holocaust appears on AMT, it quickly digresses to an anti-Israel thread.
Because this thread is and always has been some kind of a magnet for anti semites. Strange but true
Historians and educators need to keep knowledge of the Holocaust alive for every generation--so that it doesn't get turned into heresy, and then thousands of years later end up like the Bible with half believing it and half not. If it all stays documented and preserved by trusted individuals then the evidence will always be there.
After visiting Auschwitz in 2005 I came away with the impression that they were trying very hard to convince me that the Holocaust happened (and please note that I need zero convincing then or now). At the time it struck me as odd because I didn't and can't see a denier actually going. In hindsight, I realize that they're trying to do precisely as you suggest, perhaps with the concern that future generations, with no personal knowledge of or interaction with any surviving victims, might find it possible (even easy) to question the facts, or even worse to ignore them. ,
Wait so let me get this straight. Youre going to auschwitz and you are going to pick a fight with a Jew or an Israeli. Wow. Very respectful. Whose the prick here?
I'll be visiting Auschwitz next month. Not sure what to expect from it.
Through the first camp they tended to keep tours together and quite packaged, not sure if it's changed but I think that it's a pretty personal trip. I was able to spend a few moments alone at Birkenau, and it was an incredibly moving experience in a tragic way. Similarly, if you have a chance walk the streets of Kasimeriz, the old Jewish quarter of Krakow.
I think the thing that could annoy me is if I run into a tour group of Israeli, or Jewish-American, tourists acting all overly-dramatic and preachy. Also, if I run into any idiot talking about Israel there, then I'll no doubt get into an argument with the prick.
So, like you say, I hope I can be allowed to have a reasonably private time there to soak in the place, and maybe learn something I don't already know about it.
Because this thread is and always has been some kind of a magnet for anti semites. Strange but true
Because any criticism of Israel makes someone an anti-semite, right?
You said jewish American. That's me. Please let me know when you plan on being In poland looking to pick fights with jews because you may not like what you would overhear them saying at auschwitz of all places. What a pig.
Because this thread is and always has been some kind of a magnet for anti semites. Strange but true
Because any criticism of Israel makes someone an anti-semite, right?
You said jewish American. That's me. Please let me know when you plan on being In poland looking to pick fights with jews because you may not like what you would overhear them saying at auschwitz of all places. What a pig.
Internet tough guy.
I suggest you read what I said again. You'll find that what I said has no relation to the crap you just typed.
Here comes Mr. Circle Grey with a touch of white PJ filling.
Watch for it ...
1996: Toronto 1998: Barrie 2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal 2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2006: Toronto X2 2009: Toronto 2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton 2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula 2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo 2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit 2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2 2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2022: Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023: Chicago X2 2024: New York X2
I think the 10C owes Byrnzie a cut of any money made from banned members creating new accounts just to attack him. This guy will have paid more than a buck-a-post by the time he's banned (again).
I think the 10C owes Byrnzie a cut of any money made from banned members creating new accounts just to attack him. This guy will have paid more than a buck-a-post by the time he's banned (again).
I'll second that. A years free membership should do it. :P
Comments
as a german it is quite interresting reading this thread.
and you are doing good, PJ fans are educated!
You will and you wont figure out, what kind of questions i had to answer during the 08 east coast tour.
"is hitler still in charge?".....
war makes people behave like wild animals, and even worse. so sad. but i never will apologize for just being a german, what important is: never forget this, and try to learn that such terrible things will never happen again. build democratic systems that will allow no dictators be a master of puppets.
I used to hang out with a ton of Germans when I was in college. They were awesome - some of the coolest people I've ever met. Germany is definitely high on the list of countries I want to visit one day soon.
You....are in need of a history class. Most of the Nazis died at the end of the war? Seriously? I guess thats how Dr. Mengele died a free man in South America. Where exactly did you find this data that only the Nazi Germans died while the peace loving Germans lived on? Everyone in Germany and for that matter most of Europe was complicit in the Holocaust. Fact. Not even debatable. There are still Nazis alive and well both in Germany and other places.
Nazism isnt exactly a blood bourne virus. Just curious how an ideology gets into your blood? Semen?
Because this thread is and always has been some kind of a magnet for anti semites. Strange but true
Maybe someone recently converted to Judaism could answer this question for you?
Because any criticism of Israel makes someone an anti-semite, right?
Internet tough guy.
I suggest you read what I said again. You'll find that what I said has no relation to the crap you just typed.
On the subject of racial supremacy, can you please tell me why Jewish-only settlements are still being built?
Thanks.
What seems clear is that you need to stop spouting nonsense on the M.T and go back to watching the cartoon channel.
Watch for it ...
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
You didn't happen to hone your amazing debating skills on Youtube's comments section did you?
Godfather.
I think the 10C owes Byrnzie a cut of any money made from banned members creating new accounts just to attack him.
I'll second that. A years free membership should do it. :P
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=91525
Moving Train Sticky Post
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=67751