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Phil Collins quits music, retires

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited April 2011 in Other Music
odd story. i guess he's done. i posted a thread on him during the summer. some of the biggest names in indie were featured in a mini documentary talking about how huge he is to them and their music.

Its funny or kind of sad, because he's been a punchline for years. the whole south park thing, where he was mercilessly torn to shreds, and sort of the whole idea that his music was a joke was prevelent through the 90's and even the 2000's.

What is seems like from the interview where he announced he's done with music, is that he feels his career was worthless, that success, the success he had caused people to hate the music because it was overplayed.

He even went as far as to apologize for his music and career.

sad stuff, because In the Air Tonight is an undeniably great song. As is the Genesis tune No Son of Mine
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    I'd say "good", but it's always sad when somebody ends up like he is....The stuff he did with the real Genesis is pretty damn cool. 80s and since has been nothing but some pretty generic music, In The Air Tonight being a good example.

    There's a reason people hate his music and it's not b/c it was overplayed. It's b/c they look back with embarrassment for ever listening to it.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    DewieCox wrote:
    I'd say "good", but it's always sad when somebody ends up like he is....The stuff he did with the real Genesis is pretty damn cool. 80s and since has been nothing but some pretty generic music, In The Air Tonight being a good example.

    There's a reason people hate his music and it's not b/c it was overplayed. It's b/c they look back with embarrassment for ever listening to it.


    i disagree, the indie scene embracing his music is an example. indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.
    back in the day when ed or kurt showed love for a band, that band was automatically cool. its sad the indie bands of today really dont seem to have that kind of power over their audience.

    phil seems to not see that, or to ignore it, thats the sad part.

    its like someone who quits music because they think they are a laughing stock, or a joke, and their career was a waste. only to be completely wrong about how people view them, and that in fact, their music was influential and important.

    sad stuff
    I dont get how you'd call In the Air Tonight generic and bland.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    In The Air Tonight is the one song I just don't GET. It doesn't go anywhere, I find it boring.

    Still, his stuff with Genesis is good, and he is one hell of a musician.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    I'd say "good", but it's always sad when somebody ends up like he is....The stuff he did with the real Genesis is pretty damn cool. 80s and since has been nothing but some pretty generic music, In The Air Tonight being a good example.

    There's a reason people hate his music and it's not b/c it was overplayed. It's b/c they look back with embarrassment for ever listening to it.


    i disagree, the indie scene embracing his music is an example. indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.
    back in the day when ed or kurt showed love for a band, that band was automatically cool. its sad the indie bands of today really dont seem to have that kind of power over their audience.

    phil seems to not see that, or to ignore it, thats the sad part.

    its like someone who quits music because they think they are a laughing stock, or a joke, and their career was a waste. only to be completely wrong about how people view them, and that in fact, their music was influential and important.

    sad stuff
    I dont get how you'd call In the Air Tonight generic and bland.


    I don't really care that a bunch of bands that I think are boring point to the guy as an influence. In fact it kinda makes sense. Who's really doing that though? I could see some of them saying that Phil Collins was the first artist they ever liked, but more b/c he was hugely popular when most of them were young.

    If he's worried about being a laughing stock he shouldn't have allowed Mike Tyson to sing his greatest song :roll: as a joke.

    It's generic b/c it sounds super 80s. It may be the greatest tune Phil Collins ever wrote on his own, but that doesn't make it that great.
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,345
    Not really a fan. Never have been.
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    I love Him! I love Them!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUpBsbJy4Y so many many songs.... awesome

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,936
    Goodbye and good riddance

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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.


    I've seen you use this word "important" a lot... I don't understand why. Important to who? Certainly starving people don't give a fuck about indie music. People in Libya aren't interested in the next LCD Soundsystem album, or what Jack White is up to. If you enjoy it, great. And music can be "great" "awe-inspiring" "soul-wrenching", etc. But "important" gives to much credit to it in relation to everything else. So that's been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to let you know. :)

    I do still very much enjoy In the Air Tonight and a few other Genesis/Phil Collins songs.
  • LiftedLifted Posts: 1,836
    kenny olav wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.


    I've seen you use this word "important" a lot... I don't understand why. Important to who? Certainly starving people don't give a fuck about indie music. People in Libya aren't interested in the next LCD Soundsystem album, or what Jack White is up to. If you enjoy it, great. And music can be "great" "awe-inspiring" "soul-wrenching", etc. But "important" gives to much credit to it in relation to everything else. So that's been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to let you know. :)

    I do still very much enjoy In the Air Tonight and a few other Genesis/Phil Collins songs.

    this bugs me too. musicismylife, you have a tendency to do this a lot, and i tried to point it out in the radiohead thread. what do you mean by this type of speech?
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    kenny olav wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.


    I've seen you use this word "important" a lot... I don't understand why. Important to who? Certainly starving people don't give a fuck about indie music. People in Libya aren't interested in the next LCD Soundsystem album, or what Jack White is up to. If you enjoy it, great. And music can be "great" "awe-inspiring" "soul-wrenching", etc. But "important" gives to much credit to it in relation to everything else. So that's been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to let you know. :)

    I do still very much enjoy In the Air Tonight and a few other Genesis/Phil Collins songs.

    well indie changed my life, so maybe important is a personal idea to me. my life's struggle this past decade, or at least from 2006 to now has been scored and soundtracked by indie music. it is tied up in all those emotions and feelings of someone trying desperately to find their own and to become their own. i have changed and molted and been altered. both by my life and by the music. im happy i have it.

    i say indie is important because its the biggest musical genre or scene or movement in the world and has been for about a decade. its a unique scene in that there are so many divegent styles and bands, and its unique in that with the exception of hip hop no other new musical form or genre has acheived this amount of popularity and fame and attention and not self imploded in a few years. its been 10 years now. the posterchildren of indie rock, the main bands the huge bands, few if any have troubled drug addicted or self destructive members in them. the attention that indie music, as evidence by its placement on everything from victoria secret ads to the superbowl to the newest big hit film, and the fact none of these artists are branded as sellouts is unqiue.

    indie rock is important like grunge and punk and hip hop were and are important. most kids, teens these days arent all about gaga, or beiber, a good portion know the household names of iron and wine and bright eyes and the decemberists and death cab. this can only be a good thing. its like me being exposed to grunge at a young age. it changes ones outlook. and to have the music kids are exposed to these days, be of such quality, like a Endless Numbered Days or a Im Wide Awake, or a Transatlanticism is pretty damn cool. Indie is hugely popular. Arcade fire won best album of the year for godssake. Kids and parents alike know of Band of Horses and The National because of their placement on shows like Parenthood. its important because many of the big name bands now regularly top the billboard charts. or come in 2nd. the shins, modest mouse, decemberists, spoon on and on. That can only be good. the more people who like indie the better as far as im concerned.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    bon iver is important to me. iron and wine is important to me. death cab is important to me. the national is important to me. thats what i mean. I mean, when im at my lowest i turn on this music and it helps me deal with emotions and actually causes me to feel something, which in this day and age is something that should be considered with almost godlike reverence. im interested in feeling things. in living. and when my life is a struggle and im backed in a corner, music is a stress reliever and a source of dreams, a revelation really.

    so i dont think i would have made it these past few years without For Emma, or without Cassadega, or without Endless Numbered, or without Silent Alarm.

    Those albums, those songs, are part of my dna. i carry them with me.

    To understand what i mean, you have to view music as being more than entertainment and background noise. you have to view it as "important" as breathing and food. Once you do, then you can understand me, and my life, and my love of music.

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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    Kind of sad that he felt he had to "apologize" for his success. Whether his music was good or not is up to the listener to decide but he obviously connected with enough people to become so popular. I feel like there's much worse artists out there deserving of criticism than him.

    "In the Air Tonight" is awesome, c'mon guys. When those drums kick in near the end...
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    tcaporale wrote:
    Kind of sad that he felt he had to "apologize" for his success. Whether his music was good or not is up to the listener to decide but he obviously connected with enough people to become so popular. I feel like there's much worse artists out there deserving of criticism than him.

    "In the Air Tonight" is awesome, c'mon guys. When those drums kick in near the end...

    Same can be said for Mama and I Don't Care Anymore. The latter is such a badass breakup song. Plus, Land of Confusion is my favorite video of all time.

    Haters gonna hate...although I don't care for his post 80s stuff.
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.


    I've seen you use this word "important" a lot... I don't understand why. Important to who? Certainly starving people don't give a fuck about indie music. People in Libya aren't interested in the next LCD Soundsystem album, or what Jack White is up to. If you enjoy it, great. And music can be "great" "awe-inspiring" "soul-wrenching", etc. But "important" gives to much credit to it in relation to everything else. So that's been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to let you know. :)

    I do still very much enjoy In the Air Tonight and a few other Genesis/Phil Collins songs.

    well indie changed my life, so maybe important is a personal idea to me. my life's struggle this past decade, or at least from 2006 to now has been scored and soundtracked by indie music. it is tied up in all those emotions and feelings of someone trying desperately to find their own and to become their own. i have changed and molted and been altered. both by my life and by the music. im happy i have it.

    i say indie is important because its the biggest musical genre or scene or movement in the world and has been for about a decade. its a unique scene in that there are so many divegent styles and bands, and its unique in that with the exception of hip hop no other new musical form or genre has acheived this amount of popularity and fame and attention and not self imploded in a few years. its been 10 years now. the posterchildren of indie rock, the main bands the huge bands, few if any have troubled drug addicted or self destructive members in them. the attention that indie music, as evidence by its placement on everything from victoria secret ads to the superbowl to the newest big hit film, and the fact none of these artists are branded as sellouts is unqiue.

    indie rock is important like grunge and punk and hip hop were and are important. most kids, teens these days arent all about gaga, or beiber, a good portion know the household names of iron and wine and bright eyes and the decemberists and death cab. this can only be a good thing. its like me being exposed to grunge at a young age. it changes ones outlook. and to have the music kids are exposed to these days, be of such quality, like a Endless Numbered Days or a Im Wide Awake, or a Transatlanticism is pretty damn cool. Indie is hugely popular. Arcade fire won best album of the year for godssake. Kids and parents alike know of Band of Horses and The National because of their placement on shows like Parenthood. its important because many of the big name bands now regularly top the billboard charts. or come in 2nd. the shins, modest mouse, decemberists, spoon on and on. That can only be good. the more people who like indie the better as far as im concerned.
    Wouldn't those bands you listed considered to be mainstream now, instead of indie? A lot of people I know know who those bands are and they are getting national spotlight. They may be on an indie label but they are pretty mainstream to me. Band of Horses are pretty good, but I tried listening to Arcade Fire and I didn't see what the hype was. Just wasn't my style. I've listened to the other bands you listed and they were cool but I don't see myself 'really' listening to them.
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  • cbrunelle783cbrunelle783 Posts: 1,025
    He was never my favorite but come to think of it Another Day in Paradise is one of those socially conscious story-songs that PJ does so well. Not that they have much else in common with Phil Collins. I remember being in elementary school when that I Can't Dance song was a huge mega hit from Genesis. I despised that song then and to think of it now makes me wish I didn't post this b/c if I didn't I wouldn't have thought of it. :lol:

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    This is sad even if I don't like his music.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,432
    Unfortunately, Phil Collins stopped making good music in the mid 80s.
    He was fantastic in Genesis up until "Genesis." His first two solo records are terrific. But the demise began with "you cant hurry love."

    If you were lucky enough to see Genesis or Collins solo prior to 1985 then you have an entirely different view of Phil Collins.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,447
    maybe he was referring to his old old school genesis fans who accused him of selling out big time in the 80's and then with all the disney movie soundtracks in the 90's? :?

    i like his tunes. dude's a multi millionaire. i could care less if he doesn't feel appreciated or something. :roll:
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    The Juggler wrote:
    maybe he was referring to his old old school genesis fans who accused him of selling out big time in the 80's and then with all the disney movie soundtracks in the 90's? :?

    i like his tunes. dude's a multi millionaire. i could care less if he doesn't feel appreciated or something. :roll:


    yep cause theres one thing we know for sure, and one thing we've seen. if you are famous, an actress or actor, or a musician, or a writer, etc... if you have millions and are rich and famous, then happiness is sure to follow.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    kenny olav wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    indie music is the most important genre in music right now. it just is, and the fact that many of those bands acknowledge a genuine appreciation and love of phils music is important and significant.


    I've seen you use this word "important" a lot... I don't understand why. Important to who? Certainly starving people don't give a fuck about indie music. People in Libya aren't interested in the next LCD Soundsystem album, or what Jack White is up to. If you enjoy it, great. And music can be "great" "awe-inspiring" "soul-wrenching", etc. But "important" gives to much credit to it in relation to everything else. So that's been bugging me for awhile, and I just had to let you know. :)

    I do still very much enjoy In the Air Tonight and a few other Genesis/Phil Collins songs.

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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,918
    In the Air Tonight is a great song, although it's become a bit of a parody. The (alleged) story behind it is awesome. It's that as a young boy Phil watched his friend drown and an older kid didn't save him, and then Phil the big singer invited this guy to front row seats at a show and sang him the song. Probably BS, but that's the legend.

    MusicIsMyLife: I like a lot of those indie bands you referred to. I just feel like you make people feel like losers because they aren't bloggers on Brooklyn Vegan. Also, big record company music can affect me emotionally as well. They are still people writing & performing those songs, even if they are signed to a big contract.
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  • merkinballmerkinball Posts: 2,262
    Get_Right wrote:
    Unfortunately, Phil Collins stopped making good music in the mid 80s.
    He was fantastic in Genesis up until "Genesis." His first two solo records are terrific. But the demise began with "you cant hurry love."

    If you were lucky enough to see Genesis or Collins solo prior to 1985 then you have an entirely different view of Phil Collins.

    I'll second these comments. The mid 80's, and especially pandering to MTV really changed Phil (and Genesis) as musicians.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,447
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    maybe he was referring to his old old school genesis fans who accused him of selling out big time in the 80's and then with all the disney movie soundtracks in the 90's? :?

    i like his tunes. dude's a multi millionaire. i could care less if he doesn't feel appreciated or something. :roll:


    yep cause theres one thing we know for sure, and one thing we've seen. if you are famous, an actress or actor, or a musician, or a writer, etc... if you have millions and are rich and famous, then happiness is sure to follow.


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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    In the Air Tonight is a great song, although it's become a bit of a parody. The (alleged) story behind it is awesome. It's that as a young boy Phil watched his friend drown and an older kid didn't save him, and then Phil the big singer invited this guy to front row seats at a show and sang him the song. Probably BS, but that's the legend.

    It's an urban legend. In reality it's about going through a divorce.
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    MusicIsMyLife: I like a lot of those indie bands you referred to. I just feel like you make people feel like losers because they aren't bloggers on Brooklyn Vegan. Also, big record company music can affect me emotionally as well. They are still people writing & performing those songs, even if they are signed to a big contract.


    Exactly. I don't care how popular it is or how many albums it did (or did not) sell: if it moves me it moves me. (after all: we're on a Pearl Jam board, right?)

    And OP: Indie is not the biggest thing going. But it's ok...it doesn't have to be. Relax.
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  • pjtaperpjtaper Posts: 3,020
    The fact that there is a thread here makes me SICK! Phil Collins is the WORST "musician" of all time. If he comes on and I'm at a bar, I will leave, probably not come back. They were playing an entire album of his at my grocery store I visit daily, I spoke with the manager and made it very clear they will lose me as a customer and likely others unless they change the AWFUL crap(I can't call it music). The best part was, the manager was equally annoyed with the noise, but an employee begged for it... sheesh, he's been legally deaf for how long now, yet people still think he is making good "music"?

    Phil Collins DEFINITELY owes the world an apology... :twisted:
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    DewieCox wrote:
    I'd say "good", but it's always sad when somebody ends up like he is....The stuff he did with the real Genesis is pretty damn cool. 80s and since has been nothing but some pretty generic music, In The Air Tonight being a good example.

    There's a reason people hate his music and it's not b/c it was overplayed. It's b/c they look back with embarrassment for ever listening to it.


    i am most definately a peter gabriel genesis girl
    phil is ok
    and i love in the air tonight
    but whenever i hear his name
    i can only hear
    fucking su su sudio
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,918
    I Wish it Would Rain Down, with Clapton, is a pretty good song.

    Some of you guys are pretty harsh here. There's always going to be someone making cheesy pop music. I mean, listen to the shit Weezer is making these days. Hard to believe that used to be a cool rock band.
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  • dcfaithfuldcfaithful Posts: 13,076
    BinFrog wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    In the Air Tonight is a great song, although it's become a bit of a parody. The (alleged) story behind it is awesome. It's that as a young boy Phil watched his friend drown and an older kid didn't save him, and then Phil the big singer invited this guy to front row seats at a show and sang him the song. Probably BS, but that's the legend.

    It's an urban legend. In reality it's about going through a divorce.
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    MusicIsMyLife: I like a lot of those indie bands you referred to. I just feel like you make people feel like losers because they aren't bloggers on Brooklyn Vegan. Also, big record company music can affect me emotionally as well. They are still people writing & performing those songs, even if they are signed to a big contract.


    Exactly. I don't care how popular it is or how many albums it did (or did not) sell: if it moves me it moves me. (after all: we're on a Pearl Jam board, right?)

    And OP: Indie is not the biggest thing going. But it's ok...it doesn't have to be. Relax.

    Indie might be the biggest thing going on in terms having to wade through all the crap that sounds uninspiring and cookie-cutter to find the "indie" that is actually good. It's all opinion, I know... but to me indie is an overused name to describe way too many bands tryign to do the same thing and only a few of them pull it off with tact.
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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    pjtaper wrote:
    The fact that there is a thread here makes me SICK! Phil Collins is the WORST "musician" of all time. If he comes on and I'm at a bar, I will leave, probably not come back. They were playing an entire album of his at my grocery store I visit daily, I spoke with the manager and made it very clear they will lose me as a customer and likely others unless they change the AWFUL crap(I can't call it music). The best part was, the manager was equally annoyed with the noise, but an employee begged for it... sheesh, he's been legally deaf for how long now, yet people still think he is making good "music"?

    Phil Collins DEFINITELY owes the world an apology... :twisted:
    u mad bro?
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