EXTINCT

aerial

BinauralJam wrote:

aerial wrote:

Well the only way to help is for everyone to stop having children for a few years to help with the over population growth of humans that need housing among other things......
Everyone in?

I'm doin my part

I've already had two, but I promise no more!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

it makes me sick. I just watched two shows last night on animal planet about The Bear Man of Kangulazkakskakazishhhharoo (can't remember the name of the place). He has a relationship with a bunch of different families of bears in Russia. It was awesome. Then hunting season started. Mother Bear lost a few of her cubs to the senseless murder of these wonderful creatures. Why do people do this? What is it that gives man a woody to kill another living being? What severly demented person gets joy out of killing?

Sport hunters are cowards.

This guy single-handedly got the hunting season down from 52 weeks per year to 6. that's INCREDIBLE. So something CAN be done. People like that.

It made me so sad that people do this. This mother bear actually mourned her lost young. She was depressed for a number of days, until she had no choice but to move on for the sake of her other cubs.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE HUNTED FOR SPORT, YOUR CHILDREN WERE KILLED, FOR THE JOLLIES OF A "SUPERIOR BEING" WHO HIDES AT THE TOP OF A TREE WITH A WEAPON??? COME DOWN BIG MAN, AND SEE HOW YOU FARE. :evil:

BinauralJam

Paul David wrote:

it makes me sick. I just watched two shows last night on animal planet about The Bear Man of Kangulazkakskakazishhhharoo (can't remember the name of the place). He has a relationship with a bunch of different families of bears in Russia. It was awesome. Then hunting season started. Mother Bear lost a few of her cubs to the senseless murder of these wonderful creatures. Why do people do this? What is it that gives man a woody to kill another living being? What severly demented person gets joy out of killing?

Sport hunters are cowards.

This guy single-handedly got the hunting season down from 52 weeks per year to 6. that's INCREDIBLE. So something CAN be done. People like that.

It made me so sad that people do this. This mother bear actually mourned her lost young. She was depressed for a number of days, until she had no choice but to move on for the sake of her other cubs.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE HUNTED FOR SPORT, YOUR CHILDREN WERE KILLED, FOR THE JOLLIES OF A "SUPERIOR BEING" WHO HIDES AT THE TOP OF A TREE WITH A WEAPON??? COME DOWN BIG MAN, AND SEE HOW YOU FARE. :evil:

gimmesometruth27

Sixth Mass Extinction May Have Already Started: Study

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/0 ... 30947.html

Scientists say the next mass extinction may already be under way.

A new study, published in the most recent issue of the journal Nature states just that. And it's man-made.
The theory comes from research done on the state of mammal species today. When man's exponential expansion began 500 years ago mammal extinctions were rare.

But in the past five centuries at least 80 of 5,570 mammal species have gone extinct, according to AFP.

While the number may not seem too large, it could signify the beginning of a larger trend in extinctions.

There have been five previous mass extinctions in the past 540 million years. In each of those mass extinctions 75 percent or more of all animal species were destroyed.
The study also looked at a number of plant and animal species that will likely see a decline in the near future.

From USA Today

The IUCN lists 18,351 species on its "Red List of Threatened Species," considered the global standard for the conservation status of animal and plant species. All are at risk based on current and projected habitat loss or destruction due to human encroachment and climate change. Of those, 1,940 are listed as critically endangered, meaning the species' numbers have decreased, or will decrease, by 80% within three generations.
However, it's still too early to definitively deem this the next mass extinction. According to the study, the sixth mass extinction is only on track if things continue unabated.

Even unhindered, the magnitude of this mass extinction could take as long as 2,200 years to reach "Big Five" levels, according to USA Today. Or it could take as little as 300.

It's also important to note that it's not certain that many of the endangered species studied will, in fact, go extinct. In turn, the conclusions made based on the data were considered "cautious extrapolations," according to the researchers.

whygohome

Shawshank wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?

So are you going to be the first to step up and sacrifice yourself on the altar of animal liberation?

Yes, humans have had a direct impact on the endangerment and extinction of some species, but extinction has been a normal part of the cycle of life, since life began.

As long as I get to pick the Kool-Aid flavor. Grape.

catefrances

pdalowsky wrote:

you know it troubles me greatly that one day you may only see a tiger in a zoo. My kids may only see a Gorilla in a book....

you do realise for millions of people this is the only way they will ever see these creatures. there are also people on this earth who dont even know these creatures even exist. and may i suggest to take your kids to see a gorilla in the zoo NOW before that book does become their only access.

Smellyman

there is some youtube videos of hunters blowing away some bobcats and coyotes then laughing and high fiving as the coyote is writhing in pain as it dies.

A bow hunter taking out a cougar in a tree with a bow and a pack of dogs…..20 ft away from a treed cougar and planting an arrow in it.

All for fun.

You have to be a sick fuck to do that.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

you know it troubles me greatly that one day you may only see a tiger in a zoo. My kids may only see a Gorilla in a book....

you do realise for millions of people this is the only way they will ever see these creatures. there are also people on this earth who dont even know these creatures even exist. .

I don't quite understand your point here, cate.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

and a cowardly piece of shit to boot.

Smellyman wrote:

there is some youtube videos of hunters blowing away some bobcats and coyotes then laughing and high fiving as the coyote is writhing in pain as it dies.

A bow hunter taking out a cougar in a tree with a bow and a pack of dogs…..20 ft away from a treed cougar and planting an arrow in it.

All for fun.

You have to be a sick fuck to do that.

catefrances

my point is, just as there are species we know only from books, that is the reality for some people on this earth now. They wont ever get to see a tiger or a gorilla not because of the threat of extinction, but because they dont have and will never have the means to see these creatures either in the wild or in captivity... So to them, they may as well be extinct.

Shawshank

Smellyman wrote:

there is some youtube videos of hunters blowing away some bobcats and coyotes then laughing and high fiving as the coyote is writhing in pain as it dies.

A bow hunter taking out a cougar in a tree with a bow and a pack of dogs…..20 ft away from a treed cougar and planting an arrow in it.

All for fun.

You have to be a sick fuck to do that.

You certainly would have to be a sick fuck to get enjoyment out of that. On the other hand, when it comes to coyotes especially, there are times when predation warrants these tactics. Should it be a chest thumping ego trip? Uh, hell to the no!!! But you can't leave them to wreak havoc on all the other livestock and animals on your property.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

my point is, just as there are species we know only from books, that is the reality for some people on this earth now. They wont ever get to see a tiger or a gorilla not because of the threat of extinction, but because they dont have and will never have the means to see these creatures either in the wild or in captivity... So to them, they may as well be extinct.

ok, I still don't get it. is this in some way saying extinction is no big deal because it's all about human perception?

pdalowsky

Paul David wrote:

it makes me sick. I just watched two shows last night on animal planet about The Bear Man of Kangulazkakskakazishhhharoo (can't remember the name of the place). He has a relationship with a bunch of different families of bears in Russia. It was awesome. Then hunting season started. Mother Bear lost a few of her cubs to the senseless murder of these wonderful creatures. Why do people do this? What is it that gives man a woody to kill another living being? What severly demented person gets joy out of killing?

Sport hunters are cowards.

This guy single-handedly got the hunting season down from 52 weeks per year to 6. that's INCREDIBLE. So something CAN be done. People like that.

It made me so sad that people do this. This mother bear actually mourned her lost young. She was depressed for a number of days, until she had no choice but to move on for the sake of her other cubs.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE HUNTED FOR SPORT, YOUR CHILDREN WERE KILLED, FOR THE JOLLIES OF A "SUPERIOR BEING" WHO HIDES AT THE TOP OF A TREE WITH A WEAPON??? COME DOWN BIG MAN, AND SEE HOW YOU FARE. :evil:

Just perfect. Well said that man.

Hunting for fun is utterly revolting.

pdalowsky

catefrances wrote:

my point is, just as there are species we know only from books, that is the reality for some people on this earth now. They wont ever get to see a tiger or a gorilla not because of the threat of extinction, but because they dont have and will never have the means to see these creatures either in the wild or in captivity... So to them, they may as well be extinct.

Im afraid you've lost me too. I understand what you say, but the point of this is what?

Polar Bears may as well die because the natives of Langkawi may never see them?

pdalowsky

I got into a debate last year in thailand with a dude from South Africa - he ran a game reserve in Joberg.

He was a hunter - self confessed and got a kick out of it. The fact that i found that disturbing and disgusting is not the point for now. He however argued quite well that through what he was doing - selling animals to be shot by thugs - was the most effective method of conservation in Africa at the moment. He had bred more lions and elephants than any similar conservation programme in the area. Because there was a demand to kill these majestic creatures there was a demand to keep them alive and make sure they can reproduce.

Twisted logic for sure, but sadly it works, and what a shame that in this day we are conserving species because people like to kill them.

I work with a guy who is a member of a fox hunt. We fall out most weeks about his enjoyment of the 'sport'. I find it amazing still that despite any argument about them being pests and vermin etc, that anyone can ENJOY the hunt. Its just mind boggling totally to me.

pdalowsky

redrock wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

you know it troubles me greatly that one day you may only see a tiger in a zoo. My kids may only see a Gorilla in a book. and that one of mans closest relatives, the Chimpanzee, can be bought for a premium on the black market as a piece of meat. It all seems so wrong, and other than give what i can to the WWF and other like minded people there seems very little that can be done about it. .

We have a tendency to think of endangered species as the ones you mention, tigers, gorillas, pandas... but there are so many less exotic animals such as some ferrets (which we might think of as common pests) and an enormous amount of insects. Insects may seem a nuisance and 'icky' to a lot of people, but the extinction of some species have a roll on effect on our ecosystem, pollination and ultimately species of plants, food for others and for us.

You make a great point to be fair, I read a lot of studies on biodiversity, the amazon, the illegal logging industry, the whale and dolphin meat trade, bushmeat etc, and read publications like the national Geographic and the Scientist, and watch pretty much most days something on Eden, animal planet, discovery etc, and the facts and statistics of what we lose every day is unreal....and 99% of the time its a result of human greed, and the human need. The fact that demand has never been higher for cheap wood products, flat pack crap, means that sadly more plants will become extinct every day as the world cannot stop the destruction that attracts.

We can lose around 75 species a day they predict. every day.

I think i mention Rhino's tigers elephants, chimps etc because they are the beacons of conservation along with the great Panda, they are the things that have the power to drive change, to stir up enough emotion at the thought of their loss for people to actually act and make change. But is the damage already done?

catefrances

Paul David wrote:

catefrances wrote:

my point is, just as there are species we know only from books, that is the reality for some people on this earth now. They wont ever get to see a tiger or a gorilla not because of the threat of extinction, but because they dont have and will never have the means to see these creatures either in the wild or in captivity... So to them, they may as well be extinct.

ok, I still don't get it. is this in some way saying extinction is no big deal because it's all about human perception?

well tbh im wondering just how big a deal it is. now before you go jumping all over me, it is not my belief that we should just go around killing whatever the hell we want and destroying the environment around us, thus destroying other species(and our own) ecosystem/s.. im just trying to put it in perspective. during her life, earth has managed to survive many species extinctions and now because of our big brain we seem to be freaking out about it. and as i said, there are species on this earth that some people are unaware of and them and others will never come into contact with and will never have the opportunity to interact in, whether it be in the wild or in the inhumane confines of zoos... millions of people in more than a few cases.
im just wondering where the balance is.

pdalowsky

catefrances wrote:

Paul David wrote:

catefrances wrote:

my point is, just as there are species we know only from books, that is the reality for some people on this earth now. They wont ever get to see a tiger or a gorilla not because of the threat of extinction, but because they dont have and will never have the means to see these creatures either in the wild or in captivity... So to them, they may as well be extinct.

ok, I still don't get it. is this in some way saying extinction is no big deal because it's all about human perception?

well tbh im wondering just how big a deal it is. now before you go jumping all over me, it is not my belief that we should just go around killing whatever the hell we want and destroying the environment around us, thus destroying other species(and our own) ecosystem/s.. im just trying to put it in perspective. during her life, earth has managed to survive many species extinctions and now because of our big brain we seem to be freaking out about it. and as i said, there are species on this earth that some people are unaware of and them and others will never come into contact with and will never have the opportunity to interact in, whether it be in the wild or in the inhumane confines of zoos... millions of people in more than a few cases.
im just wondering where the balance is.

fair enough, my wife has a similar view to animals, she isnt that interested and doesnt get too upset about their habitat loss and potential extinction. IMO because it doesnt directly effect her, and that she cant see it happening, and that elephants are unimportant to her, is a wholly insular way of thinking. She doesnt get how I can get so upset about airport officials opening a container to find 386 elephant tusks on its way to china (last week), or gorillas being killed for their hands, or the slaughter of dolphins, or rhinos being killed for their horns, but I do, because they are amazing creatures, and its criminal that we are so destroying them to the point of wipe out in a time period of only 50 years in some cases.....when they have roamed this planet as have we for many thousands.

catefrances

pdalowsky wrote:

catefrances wrote:

well tbh im wondering just how big a deal it is. now before you go jumping all over me, it is not my belief that we should just go around killing whatever the hell we want and destroying the environment around us, thus destroying other species(and our own) ecosystem/s.. im just trying to put it in perspective. during her life, earth has managed to survive many species extinctions and now because of our big brain we seem to be freaking out about it. and as i said, there are species on this earth that some people are unaware of and them and others will never come into contact with and will never have the opportunity to interact in, whether it be in the wild or in the inhumane confines of zoos... millions of people in more than a few cases.
im just wondering where the balance is.

fair enough, my wife has a similar view to animals, she isnt that interested and doesnt get too upset about their habitat loss and potential extinction. IMO because it doesnt directly effect her, and that she cant see it happening, and that elephants are unimportant to her, is a wholly insular way of thinking. She doesnt get how I can get so upset about airport officials opening a container to find 386 elephant tusks on its way to china (last week), or gorillas being killed for their hands, or the slaughter of dolphins, or rhinos being killed for their horns, but I do, because they are amazing creatures, and its criminal that we are so destroying them to the point of wipe out in a time period of only 50 years in some cases.....when they have roamed this planet as have we for many thousands.

no your wife and i do not share a similiar view towards animals. tell me how you came to that conclusion.

pdalowsky

catefrances wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

catefrances wrote:

well tbh im wondering just how big a deal it is. now before you go jumping all over me, it is not my belief that we should just go around killing whatever the hell we want and destroying the environment around us, thus destroying other species(and our own) ecosystem/s.. im just trying to put it in perspective. during her life, earth has managed to survive many species extinctions and now because of our big brain we seem to be freaking out about it. and as i said, there are species on this earth that some people are unaware of and them and others will never come into contact with and will never have the opportunity to interact in, whether it be in the wild or in the inhumane confines of zoos... millions of people in more than a few cases.
im just wondering where the balance is.

fair enough, my wife has a similar view to animals, she isnt that interested and doesnt get too upset about their habitat loss and potential extinction. IMO because it doesnt directly effect her, and that she cant see it happening, and that elephants are unimportant to her, is a wholly insular way of thinking. She doesnt get how I can get so upset about airport officials opening a container to find 386 elephant tusks on its way to china (last week), or gorillas being killed for their hands, or the slaughter of dolphins, or rhinos being killed for their horns, but I do, because they are amazing creatures, and its criminal that we are so destroying them to the point of wipe out in a time period of only 50 years in some cases.....when they have roamed this planet as have we for many thousands.

no your wife and i do not share a similiar view towards animals. tell me how you came to that conclusion.

because neither of you consider it a big deal?