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this is something i just read and it reminded me of the "debate" in the abortion thread about why we should/should not try to protect rare turtle eggs. this is why we should. extinction is just so heavy. these animals are gone, and the damage to the ecosystem as a result of their extinction is very evident and is now a serious problem for the environment and ecosystems and forests in the northeast.
Eastern Cougar Extinct: Mountain Lion Declared Gone From East U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/0 ... 30181.html
ALLENTOWN, Pa. — The "ghost cat" is just that.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Wednesday declared the eastern cougar to be extinct, confirming a widely held belief among wildlife biologists that native populations of the big cat were wiped out by man a century ago.
After a lengthy review, federal officials concluded there are no breeding populations of cougars – also known as pumas, panthers, mountain lions and catamounts – in the eastern United States. Researchers believe the eastern cougar subspecies has probably been extinct since the 1930s.
Wednesday's declaration paves the way for the eastern cougar to be removed from the endangered species list, where it was placed in 1973. The agency's decision to declare the eastern cougar extinct does not affect the status of the Florida panther, another endangered wildcat.
Some hunters and outdoors enthusiasts have long insisted there's a small breeding population of eastern cougars, saying the secretive cats have simply eluded detection – hence the "ghost cat" moniker. The wildlife service said Wednesday it confirmed 108 sightings between 1900 and 2010, but that these animals either escaped or were released from captivity, or migrated from western states to the Midwest.
"The Fish and Wildlife Service fully believes that some people have seen cougars, and that was an important part of the review that we did," said Mark McCollough, an endangered species biologist who led the agency's eastern cougar study. "We went on to evaluate where these animals would be coming from."
A breeding population of eastern cougars would almost certainly have left evidence of its existence, he said. Cats would have been hit by cars or caught in traps, left tracks in the snow or turned up on any of the hundreds of thousands of trail cameras that dot Eastern forests.
But researchers have come up empty.
The private Eastern Cougar Foundation, for example, spent a decade looking for evidence. Finding none, it changed its name to the Cougar Rewilding Foundation last year and shifted its focus from confirming sightings to advocating for the restoration of the big cat to its pre-colonial habitat.
"We would have loved nothing more than for there to be a remnant wild population of cougars on the East Coast," said Christopher Spatz, the foundation's president. "We're not seeing (evidence) because they're not here."
Others maintain that wild cougars still prowl east of the Mississippi.
Ray Sedorchuk, 45, an avid hunter and outdoorsman, said he got an excellent look at a cougar last June in rural Bradford County, in northern Pennsylvania. He was in his truck when a reddish-brown animal with a long tail crossed the road. He said he jammed on the brakes, and the cougar stopped in its tracks.
"I could see the body, the tail and the head, the entire animal, perfectly. It's not a bobcat, it's not a housecat, it's a cougar," he said. "It's a sleek animal. It ran low to the ground and stealth-like. It moved with elegance."
Sedorchuk, a freelance writer who spends copious amounts of time in the woods, said he'd always been skeptical of the eastern cougar's existence, even as two of his friends insisted to him that they had seen them in the wild.
And now?
"I believe that they're here, without even thinking twice about it," he said. "I believe there aren't that many, but there are enough where they can get together and breed."
Once widely dispersed throughout the eastern United States, the mountain lion was all but wiped out by the turn of the last century. Cougars were killed in vast numbers, and states even held bounties. A nearly catastrophic decline in white-tailed deer – the main prey of mountain lions – also contributed to the species' extirpation.
McCollough said the last wild cougar was believed to have been killed in Maine in 1938.
The wildlife service treated the eastern cougar as a distinct subspecies, even though some biologists now believe it is genetically the same as its western brethren, which is increasing in number and extending its range. Some experts believe that mountain lions will eventually make their way back East.
The loss of a top-level predator like the cougar has had ecological consequences, including an explosion in the deer population and a corresponding decline in the health of Eastern forests.
"Our ecosystems are collapsing up and down the East Coast, and they're collapsing because we have too many white-tailed deer," said Spatz. "Our forests are not being permitted to regenerate."
Cougars and wolves, he said, would thin the deer herd through direct predation while also acting as "natural shepherds," forcing deer to become more vigilant and "stop browsing like cattle."
Spatz's group would like the federal government to reintroduce cougars and wolves to the eastern United States, though he acknowledged any such plan would come up against fierce resistance.
The wildlife service said Wednesday it has no authority under the Endangered Species Act to reintroduce the mountain lion to the East.
Eastern Cougar Extinct: Mountain Lion Declared Gone From East U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/0 ... 30181.html
ALLENTOWN, Pa. — The "ghost cat" is just that.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on Wednesday declared the eastern cougar to be extinct, confirming a widely held belief among wildlife biologists that native populations of the big cat were wiped out by man a century ago.
After a lengthy review, federal officials concluded there are no breeding populations of cougars – also known as pumas, panthers, mountain lions and catamounts – in the eastern United States. Researchers believe the eastern cougar subspecies has probably been extinct since the 1930s.
Wednesday's declaration paves the way for the eastern cougar to be removed from the endangered species list, where it was placed in 1973. The agency's decision to declare the eastern cougar extinct does not affect the status of the Florida panther, another endangered wildcat.
Some hunters and outdoors enthusiasts have long insisted there's a small breeding population of eastern cougars, saying the secretive cats have simply eluded detection – hence the "ghost cat" moniker. The wildlife service said Wednesday it confirmed 108 sightings between 1900 and 2010, but that these animals either escaped or were released from captivity, or migrated from western states to the Midwest.
"The Fish and Wildlife Service fully believes that some people have seen cougars, and that was an important part of the review that we did," said Mark McCollough, an endangered species biologist who led the agency's eastern cougar study. "We went on to evaluate where these animals would be coming from."
A breeding population of eastern cougars would almost certainly have left evidence of its existence, he said. Cats would have been hit by cars or caught in traps, left tracks in the snow or turned up on any of the hundreds of thousands of trail cameras that dot Eastern forests.
But researchers have come up empty.
The private Eastern Cougar Foundation, for example, spent a decade looking for evidence. Finding none, it changed its name to the Cougar Rewilding Foundation last year and shifted its focus from confirming sightings to advocating for the restoration of the big cat to its pre-colonial habitat.
"We would have loved nothing more than for there to be a remnant wild population of cougars on the East Coast," said Christopher Spatz, the foundation's president. "We're not seeing (evidence) because they're not here."
Others maintain that wild cougars still prowl east of the Mississippi.
Ray Sedorchuk, 45, an avid hunter and outdoorsman, said he got an excellent look at a cougar last June in rural Bradford County, in northern Pennsylvania. He was in his truck when a reddish-brown animal with a long tail crossed the road. He said he jammed on the brakes, and the cougar stopped in its tracks.
"I could see the body, the tail and the head, the entire animal, perfectly. It's not a bobcat, it's not a housecat, it's a cougar," he said. "It's a sleek animal. It ran low to the ground and stealth-like. It moved with elegance."
Sedorchuk, a freelance writer who spends copious amounts of time in the woods, said he'd always been skeptical of the eastern cougar's existence, even as two of his friends insisted to him that they had seen them in the wild.
And now?
"I believe that they're here, without even thinking twice about it," he said. "I believe there aren't that many, but there are enough where they can get together and breed."
Once widely dispersed throughout the eastern United States, the mountain lion was all but wiped out by the turn of the last century. Cougars were killed in vast numbers, and states even held bounties. A nearly catastrophic decline in white-tailed deer – the main prey of mountain lions – also contributed to the species' extirpation.
McCollough said the last wild cougar was believed to have been killed in Maine in 1938.
The wildlife service treated the eastern cougar as a distinct subspecies, even though some biologists now believe it is genetically the same as its western brethren, which is increasing in number and extending its range. Some experts believe that mountain lions will eventually make their way back East.
The loss of a top-level predator like the cougar has had ecological consequences, including an explosion in the deer population and a corresponding decline in the health of Eastern forests.
"Our ecosystems are collapsing up and down the East Coast, and they're collapsing because we have too many white-tailed deer," said Spatz. "Our forests are not being permitted to regenerate."
Cougars and wolves, he said, would thin the deer herd through direct predation while also acting as "natural shepherds," forcing deer to become more vigilant and "stop browsing like cattle."
Spatz's group would like the federal government to reintroduce cougars and wolves to the eastern United States, though he acknowledged any such plan would come up against fierce resistance.
The wildlife service said Wednesday it has no authority under the Endangered Species Act to reintroduce the mountain lion to the East.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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here is a link to the list of endangered species on this planet...this list is just those in the animal kingdom, the plant list is even more daunting...
http://earthsendangered.com/list_html.asp"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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It shouldn't be surprising to us when animals go extinct.... 99.999% of all the species that have lived are now extinct. It is part of the cycle of life... species come and go. The DNA is what survives. You guys ever read the science behind DNA itself being the only intelligent life form? It propagates from one species to another and has for hundreds of millions of years keeping itself alive in everything from an ocean reef to a human being. It is trying to leave the planet now for some reason... and we are the carriers. But yeah... be kind to the cats.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0
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I'm surprised that western cats have not migrated to the east. There seem to be more sightings in Michigan and Minnesota so maybe they will get there someday.
I've seen them a few times in the wild (west coast only). It's pretty rare to see them but I'm sure they have been watching me on numerous occasions while hiking. One time I surprised one while driving out of King's Canyon at night. I've never seen something move so fast while being so agile. It scrambled up a 30 foot embankment like a ghost. It is something I will never forget.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:I'm surprised that western cats have not migrated to the east. There seem to be more sightings in Michigan and Minnesota so maybe they will get there someday.
I've seen them a few times in the wild (west coast only). It's pretty rare to see them but I'm sure they have been watching me on numerous occasions while hiking. One time I surprised one while driving out of King's Canyon at night. I've never seen something move so fast while being so agile. It scrambled up a 30 foot embankment like a ghost. It is something I will never forget.
they are migrating east. They are sometimes found in Illinois now and up until the 60's/70's they weren't found east of western Nebraska and eastern Colorado, as well as in the Dakotas. My family is from Illinois and they own a large amount of farmland... my Dad was out checking fences one day a few years ago and found a dead Mountain Lion!!! (different kind of cat I know)
The horrible part was that it was determined that someone shot it with a bow/arrow. :xEverything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
My daughter wants to work in wildlife conservation. She's just hoping there is still wildlife to 'conserve' by the time she gets through her studies (5/6 years time)!0
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The loss of any species is gutting to me.
I was reading the other day that the Chinese River Dolphin is now feared extinct, and there are only 14 'individual' Amur tigers left in the world (a 500 population but the species is at massive threat now to inter breeding), Rhino poaching and Elephant hunting is on a massive surge..... Mountain Gorillas are at a 700 total still (700 in the world!!!!)....and yet people still think these things are ok because they firmly believe for example that by eating or smoking certain parts of these majestic creatures makes them have a better hard on, or makes them more virile. The world is in some respects a very sad place.0 -
completely agreed. sad place we inhabit here. i tried to post pics of 15 of the most endangered animals on the planet but for some reason the stupid bbs "could not determine the size of the image" for any of them when i have posted hunderds of images on here over the years...pdalowsky wrote:The loss of any species is gutting to me.
I was reading the other day that the Chinese River Dolphin is now feared extinct, and there are only 14 'individual' Amur tigers left in the world (a 500 population but the species is at massive threat now to inter breeding), Rhino poaching and Elephant hunting is on a massive surge..... Mountain Gorillas are at a 700 total still (700 in the world!!!!)....and yet people still think these things are ok because they firmly believe for example that by eating or smoking certain parts of these majestic creatures makes them have a better hard on, or makes them more virile. The world is in some respects a very sad place."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
completely agreed. sad place we inhabit here. i tried to post pics of 15 of the most endangered animals on the planet but for some reason the stupid bbs "could not determine the size of the image" for any of them when i have posted hunderds of images on here over the years...pdalowsky wrote:The loss of any species is gutting to me.
I was reading the other day that the Chinese River Dolphin is now feared extinct, and there are only 14 'individual' Amur tigers left in the world (a 500 population but the species is at massive threat now to inter breeding), Rhino poaching and Elephant hunting is on a massive surge..... Mountain Gorillas are at a 700 total still (700 in the world!!!!)....and yet people still think these things are ok because they firmly believe for example that by eating or smoking certain parts of these majestic creatures makes them have a better hard on, or makes them more virile. The world is in some respects a very sad place.
you know it troubles me greatly that one day you may only see a tiger in a zoo. My kids may only see a Gorilla in a book. and that one of mans closest relatives, the Chimpanzee, can be bought for a premium on the black market as a piece of meat. It all seems so wrong, and other than give what i can to the WWF and other like minded people there seems very little that can be done about it.
It doesnt involve a threatened species per say, but how the Japanese can engage in the 'sport' that is Dolphin Coving is baffling to me......
i could go on but humans will one day destroy the planet.0 -
Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?0
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we have established dominion over all of the creatures of the earth, and subsequently nearly wiped out a great number of them, mostly for no good reason. that is special in a horibly tragic way. :(whygohome wrote:Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
we have established dominion over all of the creatures of the earth, and subsequently nearly wiped out a great number of them, mostly for no good reason. that is special in a horibly tragic way. :(whygohome wrote:Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?
Well, I guess we did what we set out to do.
And, I forgot that "GOD" gave us dominion over the earth and all non-human species. I always forget to read that 2,000 year old book of fiction before I go to sleep. :evil:0 -
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They think they've been extenct since the 1930s, They're just making it official now. I think western mountian lions, which is essentially the same thing, are migrating back east again.0
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pdalowsky wrote:you know it troubles me greatly that one day you may only see a tiger in a zoo. My kids may only see a Gorilla in a book. and that one of mans closest relatives, the Chimpanzee, can be bought for a premium on the black market as a piece of meat. It all seems so wrong, and other than give what i can to the WWF and other like minded people there seems very little that can be done about it. .
We have a tendency to think of endangered species as the ones you mention, tigers, gorillas, pandas... but there are so many less exotic animals such as some ferrets (which we might think of as common pests) and an enormous amount of insects. Insects may seem a nuisance and 'icky' to a lot of people, but the extinction of some species have a roll on effect on our ecosystem, pollination and ultimately species of plants, food for others and for us.0 -
whygohome wrote:Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?
So are you going to be the first to step up and sacrifice yourself on the altar of animal liberation?
Yes, humans have had a direct impact on the endangerment and extinction of some species, but extinction has been a normal part of the cycle of life, since life began.0 -
Shawshank wrote:Yes, humans have had a direct impact on the endangerment and extinction of some species, but extinction has been a normal part of the cycle of life, since life began.
Of course it has but 'recently' it has been at an alarming rate, not as nature intended and probably not as much as nature intended. This accelerated rate is almost entirely due to human behaviour, directly or indirectly. With a 'normal' cycle of life, the whole ecosystem has a chance to adapt (except for the dinosaurs!!!
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Shawshank wrote:whygohome wrote:Get rid of the humans and give the planet back to the animals. What has the human race done that is so special?
So are you going to be the first to step up and sacrifice yourself on the altar of animal liberation?
That's kinda like whitewashing a wall by painting it black, ain't it?Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
Well the only way to help is for everyone to stop having children for a few years to help with the over population growth of humans that need housing among other things......
Everyone in?
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:Well the only way to help is for everyone to stop having children for a few years to help with the over population growth of humans that need housing among other things......
Everyone in?
I'm doin my part
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