Most vinyl today tho you can only hope matches CD quality. To be honest its a good quality bootleg.
The allure is being able to sit in a chair and relax spinning the show. Same ritual as putting on the Vaults, etc. Vinyl live concert bootlegs are extremely common in every indie record store ive been in. I have some amazing Replacements ones, Green Day ones, Chili Peppers. Only PJ ones i have are Benny and Melbourne ‘98 (another one that sounds great).
Most vinyl today tho you can only hope matches CD quality. To be honest its a good quality bootleg.
The allure is being able to sit in a chair and relax spinning the show. Same ritual as putting on the Vaults, etc. Vinyl live concert bootlegs are extremely common in every indie record store ive been in. I have some amazing Replacements ones, Green Day ones, Chili Peppers. Only PJ ones i have are Benny and Melbourne ‘98 (another one that sounds great).
A lot sound like garbage tho you’re right.
I get people wanting concert boots, but an officially released show in CD quality... then pressed by some no name bootleg guy... Is just wrong in my view.
And if you are buying new vinyl that is processed from a digital signal that only hopes to match CD... then your wasting your money. There are many new and reissue vinyl pressings that are done right and completely blow away CD quality. But ymmv, depending on your audio setup.
The setup is great. The problem, as u know, is a lot of the mainstream pressings today wont sound any better than the CD. Thats just laziness/cost saving in mastering and pressing overload/mediocre plants. I have a huge collection and maybe half are noticeably better than CD. So when you get a boot that sounds like the official CD your vinyl ritual doesn't suffer lol.
I guess I just don’t get the appeal of spending $500 to listen to something that is presumably sourced from the CD and therefore at best, with a perfectly pressed copy can only sound as good as a $30 CD.
The CD will sound better and require less trips off the couch to change/flip disks. But you get to “have it on vinyl”...different strokes I guess.
I also wouldn’t want to fund people making shitty vinyl rip off copies of artists work but again...different strokes I guess.
I’ve listened to 4 sides now of the bootleg version that I got and it sounds fantastic. Sounds a lot better than the scratched CD I have. Would’ve loved to give the money to PJ but don’t think they have any interest in releasing it. If they do I’ll buy another just to add to my collection
I have a question. Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD? Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
I have a question. Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD? Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
I have a question. Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD? Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
No idea. Most of the time when you have a sealed vinyl, or a vinyl well cared for you don't get the crackle/pops?
If it were possible to make a new master from a highly graded existing copy, you could do a whole business model on spending an assload for a sealed copy, make a new master, and sell high quality pressings?
Then again, I'm unsure if how hard it is to clone a record from a record.
A proper repress is overdue. The bootleg sounds good enough that i no longer have any urge to drop $1500+, but i still want an official one.
Black vinyl and unnumbered. Maybe a black cover too....sounds like Vault 11 to me.
I hope not. I was a little disappointed with this years vault because it wasn't anything new. It was something already available in pretty good quality. I would rather vault's focused on releasing unreleased stuff over being used to reissue stuff that's readily available in pretty high quality.
A proper repress is overdue. The bootleg sounds good enough that i no longer have any urge to drop $1500+, but i still want an official one.
Black vinyl and unnumbered. Maybe a black cover too....sounds like Vault 11 to me.
I hope not. I was a little disappointed with this years vault because it wasn't anything new. It was something already available in pretty good quality. I would rather vault's focused on releasing unreleased stuff over being used to reissue stuff that's readily available in pretty high quality.
Agree 100%, to me vaults should be unreleased material.
I have a question. Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD? Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
No idea. Most of the time when you have a sealed vinyl, or a vinyl well cared for you don't get the crackle/pops?
If it were possible to make a new master from a highly graded existing copy, you could do a whole business model on spending an assload for a sealed copy, make a new master, and sell high quality pressings?
Then again, I'm unsure if how hard it is to clone a record from a record.
I'm not sure you can make plates from an existing record.... maybe they could steal plates that were used in the official release.. but that would be crazy.
Im thinking the same thing about posters... buy an original, and then copy and print the heck out of it... wow, you could make a ton on selling 1998 prints. Just imagine how much you could make selling 2010 Kongs, and you could probably make them look a lot better than the illegal bootlegs sound.
There's tutorials out there of how to clone a record at home. Hard to get it doublesided. Im sure a few records have been cloned this way. It always amazes me that if you had all of the proper equipment why you wouldnt just set up a legit business since there is such a demand. I often wonder why the counterfeit Save You 7" came first but then the reissue looked very similar.
Toledo, Oh 09-22-96, Chicago, Illinois 06-29-98, Portland, Oregon 07-18-98, Vancouver, British Columbia 07-19-98, Seattle 07-21-98, Seattle 07-22-98, Noblesville, Indiana 08-17-98, East Lansing, Michigan 08-18-98, Barrie, Ontario 08-22-98, Auburn Hills, Michigan 08-23-98, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 08-25-98, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 08-26-98, Camden, Camden, New Jersey 08-28-98 Camden, New Jersey 08-29-98,Knoxville, Tennessee 09-06-98, Columbia, Maryland 09-18-98,Mountain View, California 10-30-99,Mountain View, California 10-31-99, Virginia Beach, Virginia 08-03-00,Charlotte, North Carolina 08-04-00,Greensboro, North Carolina 08-06-00, Atlanta, Georgia 08-07-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-09-00,West Palm Beach, Florida 08-10-00,Tampa, Florida 08-12-00,New Orleans, Louisiana 08-14-00,Memphis, Tennessee 08-15-00,Nashville, Tennessee 08-17-00, Noblesville, Indiana 08-18-00,Cincinnati, Ohio 08-20-00,Columbus, Ohio 08-21-00, Wantagh, New York 08-23-00, Wantagh, New York 08-24-00,Wantagh, New York 08-25-00, Saratoga Springs, New York 08-27-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-29-00,Mansfield, Massachusetts 08-30-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-01-00,Camden, New Jersey 09-02-00,Columbia, Maryland 09-04-00,Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 09-05-00,Auburn Hills, Michigan 10-07-00, East Troy, Wisconsin 10-08-00,Chicago, Illinois 10-09-00,Cleveland, Ohio 04-25-03,Columbus, Ohio 06-24-03,Kitchener, ON 09-11-05, London, ON 9-12-05,Hamilton, ON 9-13-05,Cincinnati, Ohio 06-24-06, Chicago, Illinois 7-19-13, Cincinnati, Ohio 10-01-14, St. Louis, Missouri 10-03-14, Memphis, Tennessee 10-14-14,Detroit, Michigan 10-16-14, Moline, Illinois 10-17-14, Columbia SC 4-21-16 , Lexington KY 4-26-16, Philadelphia PA 4-28-16, Philadelphia PA 4-29-16, Boston 8-5-16 , Boston 8-7-16 Chicago 8-20-16, Chicago 8-22-16, Seattle 8-8-18, Seattle 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18, Chicago 8-18-18, Chicago 8-20-18, Boston 9-2-18, Boston 9-4-18
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
Leeds 2006, London 2007, Hartford 2008, London Shepherds Bush 2009, London O2 2009, Dublin 2010, London Hyde Park 2010, Amsterdam 1 2012, Amsterdam 2 2012, Berlin 1 2012, EV solo London 30/7/2012, Berlin 2014, Stockholm 2014, Milton Keynes 2014, Amsterdam 1 2018, London 1 2018, London 2 2018, EV solo Dublin 2019, London 1 2022, London 2 2022, New York City 2022
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
I am currently listening to my Lost Dogs CD while reading this. Make it happen.
Wembley Arena, London - 28/10/96 Wembley Arena, London - 30/05/00
Wembley Arena, London - 18/06/07
02 Arena, London - 18/08/09
Hammersmith Apollo, London - 30/07/12 EV Solo Bowl, Milton Keynes - 11/07/2014 Hammersmith Apollo, London - 06/06/17 EV Solo O2 Arena, London - 18/06/18 O2 Arena, London - 17/07/18
It's an art to live with pain, mix the light into grey...
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)
I've seen a white bootleg.
I have a copy of the white boot. A friend of mine found an online auction selling them and bought one for him and one for me because he knows I am a PJ fan. The sound is ok, but it is not very loud. I have to turn my speakers up quite a bit and even then it sounds subdued. A reissue would be very welcomed.
Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad. Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.
you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)
I've seen a white bootleg.
I have a copy of the white boot. A friend of mine found an online auction selling them and bought one for him and one for me because he knows I am a PJ fan. The sound is ok, but it is not very loud. I have to turn my speakers up quite a bit and even then it sounds subdued. A reissue would be very welcomed.
I'm sure Sony will give it a look. Vinyl looks here to stay.
Crossing fingers. Hopefully the pirated bootleg copies floating around are making the Sony reps talk at the conference table that they need more official Pearl Jam vinyl releases flooding the market.
I'm sure Sony will give it a look. Vinyl looks here to stay.
Crossing fingers. Hopefully the pirated bootleg copies floating around are making the Sony reps talk at the conference table that they need more official Pearl Jam vinyl releases flooding the market.
With zero evidence, I feel confident it will be reissued in time. Key is not to bite on these over priced bootlegs or on the secondary market OG pressings.
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And if you are buying new vinyl that is processed from a digital signal that only hopes to match CD... then your wasting your money. There are many new and reissue vinyl pressings that are done right and completely blow away CD quality. But ymmv, depending on your audio setup.
I also wouldn’t want to fund people making shitty vinyl rip off copies of artists work but again...different strokes I guess.
ISO Hollywood & Nashville 2 tickets. PM me to coordinate a drop!
Im thinking the same thing about posters... buy an original, and then copy and print the heck out of it... wow, you could make a ton on selling 1998 prints. Just imagine how much you could make selling 2010 Kongs, and you could probably make them look a lot better than the illegal bootlegs sound.
Leeds 2006, London 2007, Hartford 2008, London Shepherds Bush 2009, London O2 2009, Dublin 2010, London Hyde Park 2010, Amsterdam 1 2012, Amsterdam 2 2012, Berlin 1 2012, EV solo London 30/7/2012, Berlin 2014, Stockholm 2014, Milton Keynes 2014, Amsterdam 1 2018, London 1 2018, London 2 2018, EV solo Dublin 2019, London 1 2022, London 2 2022, New York City 2022
Wembley Arena, London - 30/05/00
Wembley Arena, London - 18/06/07
02 Arena, London - 18/08/09
Hammersmith Apollo, London - 30/07/12 EV Solo
Bowl, Milton Keynes - 11/07/2014
Hammersmith Apollo, London - 06/06/17 EV Solo
O2 Arena, London - 18/06/18
O2 Arena, London - 17/07/18
It's an art to live with pain, mix the light into grey...
Yep. Would be great if they did reissue it for a Record Store Day event. Would have to be 5000+.
I've seen a white bootleg.
Indeed!
Crossing fingers. Hopefully the pirated bootleg copies floating around are making the Sony reps talk at the conference table that they need more official Pearl Jam vinyl releases flooding the market.