Please Pearl Jam, consider a VINYL Benaroya Hall re-issue!

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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Most vinyl today tho you can only hope matches CD quality.  To be honest its a good quality bootleg.  

    The allure is being able to sit in a chair and relax spinning the show.  Same ritual as putting on the Vaults, etc.  Vinyl live concert bootlegs are extremely common in every indie record store ive been in. I have some amazing Replacements ones, Green Day ones, Chili Peppers.   Only PJ ones i have are Benny and Melbourne ‘98 (another one that sounds great).  

    A lot sound like garbage tho you’re right.  
  • MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,210
    edited December 2020
    Most vinyl today tho you can only hope matches CD quality.  To be honest its a good quality bootleg.  

    The allure is being able to sit in a chair and relax spinning the show.  Same ritual as putting on the Vaults, etc.  Vinyl live concert bootlegs are extremely common in every indie record store ive been in. I have some amazing Replacements ones, Green Day ones, Chili Peppers.   Only PJ ones i have are Benny and Melbourne ‘98 (another one that sounds great).  

    A lot sound like garbage tho you’re right.  
    I get people wanting concert boots, but an officially released show in CD quality... then pressed by some no name bootleg guy... Is just wrong in my view.

    And if you are buying new vinyl that is processed from a digital signal that only hopes to match CD... then your wasting your money. There are many new and reissue vinyl pressings that are done right and completely blow away CD quality. But ymmv, depending on your audio setup.
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    The setup is great. The problem, as u know, is a lot of the mainstream pressings today wont sound any better than the CD.  Thats just laziness/cost saving in mastering and pressing overload/mediocre plants.  I have a huge collection and maybe half are noticeably better than CD.  So when you get a boot that sounds like the official CD your vinyl ritual doesn't suffer lol.  
  • JBob87JBob87 Posts: 478
    I guess I just don’t get the appeal of spending $500 to listen to something that is presumably sourced from the CD and therefore at best, with a perfectly pressed copy can only sound as good as a $30 CD. 

    The CD will sound better and require less trips off the couch to change/flip disks. But you get to “have it on vinyl”...different strokes I guess.

    I also wouldn’t want to fund people making shitty vinyl rip off copies of artists work but again...different strokes I guess. 
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    No clue. Ive never spent much cash on any live bootleg album.  I love live albums in general.  They're fun to spin no matter where they come from.  

    The Replacements have some amazing ones out there.  There’s some good Woodstock 94 ones out there too.  

  • I’ve listened to 4 sides now of the bootleg version that I got and it sounds fantastic.  Sounds a lot better than the scratched CD I have.  Would’ve loved to give the money to PJ but don’t think they have any interest in releasing it.  If they do I’ll buy another just to add to my collection 
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,657
    I have a question.  Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD?  Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
  • Zod said:
    I have a question.  Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD?  Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
    Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,657
    timbo1972 said:
    Zod said:
    I have a question.  Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD?  Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
    Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
    No idea.  Most of the time when you have a sealed vinyl, or a vinyl well cared for you don't get the crackle/pops? 

    If it were possible to make a new master from a highly graded existing copy, you could do a whole business model on spending an assload for a sealed copy, make a new master, and sell high quality pressings?

    Then again, I'm unsure if how hard it is to clone a record from a record.
  • JojoRiceJojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,387
    Hated that I missed out on the bootleg release.  Still hoping this gets a proper re-release.  It's long overdue!  Make it happen Santos!
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    A proper repress is overdue. The bootleg sounds good enough that i no longer have any urge to drop $1500+, but i still want an official one.  

    Black vinyl and unnumbered.  Maybe a black cover too....sounds like Vault 11 to me.  
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,657
    A proper repress is overdue. The bootleg sounds good enough that i no longer have any urge to drop $1500+, but i still want an official one.  

    Black vinyl and unnumbered.  Maybe a black cover too....sounds like Vault 11 to me.  
    I hope not.  I was a little disappointed with this years vault because it wasn't anything new.  It was something already available in pretty good quality.   I would rather vault's focused on releasing unreleased stuff over being used to reissue stuff that's readily available in pretty high quality.
  • MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,210
    Zod said:
    A proper repress is overdue. The bootleg sounds good enough that i no longer have any urge to drop $1500+, but i still want an official one.  

    Black vinyl and unnumbered.  Maybe a black cover too....sounds like Vault 11 to me.  
    I hope not.  I was a little disappointed with this years vault because it wasn't anything new.  It was something already available in pretty good quality.   I would rather vault's focused on releasing unreleased stuff over being used to reissue stuff that's readily available in pretty high quality.
    Agree 100%, to me vaults should be unreleased material.
  • MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,210
    edited December 2020
    Zod said:
    timbo1972 said:
    Zod said:
    I have a question.  Are we sure that pretty much all vinyl bootlegs are pressed from CD?  Is it ever possible they somehow clone an original vinyl to make another plate, to stamp them out that way?
    Would you not double up on, for instance, the normal crackle you get on vinyl and amplify the natural 'flaws' from a physical production process if you did that?
    No idea.  Most of the time when you have a sealed vinyl, or a vinyl well cared for you don't get the crackle/pops? 

    If it were possible to make a new master from a highly graded existing copy, you could do a whole business model on spending an assload for a sealed copy, make a new master, and sell high quality pressings?

    Then again, I'm unsure if how hard it is to clone a record from a record.
    I'm not sure you can make  plates from an existing record.... maybe they could steal plates that were used in the official release.. but that would be crazy.

    Im thinking the same thing about posters... buy an original, and then copy and print the heck out of it... wow, you could make a ton on selling 1998 prints. Just imagine how much you could make selling 2010 Kongs, and you could probably make them look a lot better than the illegal bootlegs sound.
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  • FR181798FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    edited December 2020
    There's tutorials out there of how to clone a record at home. Hard to get it doublesided. Im sure a few records have been cloned this way. It always amazes me that if you had all of the proper equipment why you wouldnt just set up a legit business since there is such a demand. I often wonder why the counterfeit Save You 7" came first but then the reissue looked very similar.
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  • wecrazybobwecrazybob Posts: 1,027
    Bump.
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  • SM187650SM187650 Canada Posts: 791
    Let’s do it! 
  • False_BeliefFalse_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   

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  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,959
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   
    I am currently listening to my Lost Dogs CD while reading this. Make it happen.
  • desolatejoydesolatejoy London Posts: 349
    Built it & they will make a run 😊👍🏻
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  • WindowPaineWindowPaine Chicopee, MA Posts: 531
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   
    you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,202
    Built it & they will make a run 😊👍🏻

    Yep. Would be great if they did reissue it for a Record Store Day event. Would have to be 5000+.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,202
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   
    you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)

    I've seen a white bootleg.


  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,959
    demetrios said:
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   
    you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)

    I've seen a white bootleg.


    I have a copy of the white boot. A friend of mine found an online auction selling them and bought one for him and one for me because he knows I am a PJ fan. The sound is ok, but it is not very loud. I have to turn my speakers up quite a bit and even then it sounds subdued. A reissue would be very welcomed. 
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,202
    Bump!
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,202
    demetrios said:
    Co-signed - and if they want to reissue Lost Dogs too I won’t be mad.   Sitting here looking at £400 Discogs listings, wishing they’d just put me out of my misery already.   
    you can find bootlegs of it for pretty cheap. there are older 3LP color vinyl variants and then a new 2LP on i think grey vinyl (could be clear, i forget)

    I've seen a white bootleg.


    I have a copy of the white boot. A friend of mine found an online auction selling them and bought one for him and one for me because he knows I am a PJ fan. The sound is ok, but it is not very loud. I have to turn my speakers up quite a bit and even then it sounds subdued. A reissue would be very welcomed. 

    Indeed! 
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,331
    I'm sure Sony will give it a look. Vinyl looks here to stay. 
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,202
    I'm sure Sony will give it a look. Vinyl looks here to stay. 

    Crossing fingers. Hopefully the pirated bootleg copies floating around are making the Sony reps talk at the conference table that they need more official Pearl Jam vinyl releases flooding the market. 
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,331
    demetrios said:
    I'm sure Sony will give it a look. Vinyl looks here to stay. 

    Crossing fingers. Hopefully the pirated bootleg copies floating around are making the Sony reps talk at the conference table that they need more official Pearl Jam vinyl releases flooding the market. 
    With zero evidence, I feel confident it will be reissued in time. Key is not to bite on these over priced bootlegs or on the secondary market OG pressings. 
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