Chaos in Egypt...what if

maj4e

MotoDC wrote:

maj4e wrote:

Our situation is not even remotely close to Egypt or Tunisia. Egypt has had the same leader since I was in kindergarten (now 35). Plus have you looked around this place? I've said this before and I'll reiterate: As long as our lines are for iphones and call of duty and not bread or medicine there will be no revolution.

QFT

I'm surprised there are more AMT topics on this situation. Maybe I just missed them.

Tear gas and rubber bullets are status quo for riots/protests, but shutting down the internet? This shit is pretty much unprecedented.

Um.... no I won't "QFT" and I'm right. I didn't say I agreed with it all but our country is way too rich, lazy and distracted by our own everyday lives to revolt in any meaningful fashion.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics

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Your example is a perfect example of false pretense. It probably came to you in the form of a blog that was originally delivered in a spam mail with the underlying agenda point to place the failures of our involvement in Viet Nam on 'The Media'. The fact is our basic failure in Viet Nam was our BEING in Viet Nam in the first place. Viet Nam just wanted unification and knew all they had to do was survive, not win. The U.S. military did not suffer one military defeat in battles with the Vietnamese people... yet, we lost the war. The ironic truth is, 'The Media' helped to deliver the truth that was being hidden from us by our government and our military leaders.
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My point has always been... 'The Media' is not to blame. The viewer has a responsibility to understand that what is being presented is not news. It is personal commentary... someone else's opinion.
Sure, the evening news is still news when it reports on the factual data and events of what is going in in Egypt. It becomes commentary when the giver of the news injects his or her opinions or commentary.
So, if people want to agree with what FOX News celebrities feel... or what MoveOn.org writers believe... that is up to them. But, to say they are basing their opinions on facts is not a true statement... they are basing their opinion on someone else's opinion.

makes perfect sense, thanks Cosmo.

Godfather.

Drowned Out

I've been trying to figure the angles behind this since it began...
Mubarak has been a US puppet forever.
I keep reading that Obama is hesitant to throw his support behind his ouster because of this....Mainstream media seems to be 100% behind this movement.....I read alt media making statements about how the US was behind the Green Revolution in Iran, but we should not be as skeptical about this movement....yet I also read that the US have been financing and organizing attempts to overthrow Mubarak since 2008....why?
...is this because he was set to step down and give the reigns to his son, and his son is not willing to play ball with Western powers?
I read that there is a campaign now to have the head of intelligence take over if/when Mubarak steps down (think I may have read that he was named VP or something?)....heard he has deep CIA ties (but then, how could you be head of ANY spy agency and not have ties with the CIA?)
I can't figure out if the West is being reactionary, or how deeply involved in this they are, at it's root.

I guess the answer will come when the smoke clears. I think the movement is (or has become?) genuine in it's desire for major reforms...the question is how co-opted the outcome will be. Will the peopel see thru an establishment personality taking control, with minor policy concessions made to appease the movement, or will they continue to fight until they find someone who is truly beholden to the best interests of the Egyptian people?

Drowned Out

Regardless of who is backing this movement, and what the outcome is, who ends up in power...it's pretty apparent that neo-liberal policy is what started this unrest....hungry people don't stay hungry for long:
http://anilnetto.com/corporate-led-glob ... ank-ideas/

Then you read this...:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 0a441d.c11

MotoDC

maj4e wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

maj4e wrote:

Our situation is not even remotely close to Egypt or Tunisia. Egypt has had the same leader since I was in kindergarten (now 35). Plus have you looked around this place? I've said this before and I'll reiterate: As long as our lines are for iphones and call of duty and not bread or medicine there will be no revolution.

QFT

I'm surprised there are more AMT topics on this situation. Maybe I just missed them.

Tear gas and rubber bullets are status quo for riots/protests, but shutting down the internet? This shit is pretty much unprecedented.

Um.... no I won't "QFT" and I'm right. I didn't say I agreed with it all but our country is way too rich, lazy and distracted by our own everyday lives to revolt in any meaningful fashion.

Relax bud, I dunno what "QFT" means to you, but to me it means "quoted for truth". In other words, it means "fuck yeah I agree with the above post so much that I'm gonna repost it rather than try to elucidate my thoughts myself". Kumbaya and whatnot.

OT: In the interest of accuracy, I think originally QFT was used when someone quoted a prior post in order to prevent later editing by the original author. That is, to prevent a poster from backtracking later in the thread and revising the thoughts they put out on the interwebs.

unsung

Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.

Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.

Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.

Too many people depend on the government to protest it.

FiveB247x

The people in our nation are too lazy, uncaring and comfortable to do anything close to what we're seeing in Egypt.

unsung wrote:

Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.

Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.

Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.

Too many people depend on the government to protest it.

AELARA

Tunisian and Egyptian people rebel against their corrupted leaders after so many years of tolerance..
What if the same thing happens here...
Well, it SHOULD happen here in Greece.. Egypt is not so far away and things often turn into a big wave.. I don't know if it will be for better or worse but something must be done. We've had enough with corruption.
Anyway we'll see how things work out both in Egypt and here...

aerial

FiveB247x wrote:

The people in our nation are too lazy, uncaring and comfortable to do anything close to what we're seeing in Egypt.

unsung wrote:

Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.

Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.

Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.

Too many people depend on the government to protest it.

TEA PARTY

FiveB247x

One fringe group will not change our system or future. We have so many issues and problems to overcome to fix our nation, it would take a massive effort of all people involved being on the same page and that's something that over the past 20-30 yrs has become blatantly obvious that will not occur. Whether it's indifference, unwillingness to care or the growing political polarization of our nation, it's slowing coming apart, not coming together. People as a whole are more ignorant, less interested, less willing to think outside of themselves and more content with consumerism... now does this sound like a population that wants change or demands responsibility and accountability and forces the hand of power to shift in their direction? Time and time again, the more you look around, the more you see and realize, it all went wrong and can't be fixed. Greed, media, technology and self-interest are our nations lasting values.. the rest is word-play and double talk. What started out as a great experiment with the intention of constant and involved citizens has fallen by the wayside by our own growth through economic and military power. Sad but true. People elsewhere can revolt and be successful because they have the backbone and follow through for it... something we have long since lost. And it's not liberals, conservatives, repubs, dems fault.. it's everyone.. the day americans start acting as if there's a "we" and not an "i" will be the day we begin reforming like we see in Egypt.

aerial wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

The people in our nation are too lazy, uncaring and comfortable to do anything close to what we're seeing in Egypt.

unsung wrote:

Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.

Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.

Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.

Too many people depend on the government to protest it.

TEA PARTY

Jason P

Egypt police, protesters clash after soccer riot

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html

It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?

MookiesLaw

Jason P wrote:

Egypt police, protesters clash after soccer riot

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html

It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?

Watched this a little earlier. Seems to be an extensive history of serious rivalry and violence between these fans. The home fans, who had supported the revolution are stating that supporters of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Even though Mubarak is gone, the military who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed uninterested in trying to contain the riot.

Apparently at least half of those dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. Interesting comment from one of my peers today at work was something along the lines of "they're crazy over their, rioting over a game"....People have short memories and love to take the moral high ground. What happens after Championships here? And let's not forget people get trampled to death at early morning sales for Barbie Dolls and lego for their kids for Christmas.

Jason P

MookiesLaw wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Egypt police, protesters clash after soccer riot

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html

It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?

Watched this a little earlier. Seems to be an extensive history of serious rivalry and violence between these fans. The home fans, who had supported the revolution are stating that supporters of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Even though Mubarak is gone, the military who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed uninterested in trying to contain the riot.

Apparently at least half of those dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. Interesting comment from one of my peers today at work was something along the lines of "they're crazy over their, rioting over a game"....People have short memories and love to take the moral high ground. What happens after Championships here? And let's not forget people get trampled to death at early morning sales for Barbie Dolls and lego for their kids for Christmas.

It's still pretty fucked up, regardless of what the fans feel. I don't like Patriot fans ... I would never consider chasing them down after a win and stabbing / beating them ... to death (maybe just a little stabbing ... for Ray Lewis's sake ... :shock: (fuck you, stabby).

The fact that the stabbing / killing happened because of a "WIN" is hard to comprehend.

Just one more reason why soccer is dumb.

And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.

MookiesLaw

Jason P wrote:

The fact that the stabbing / killing happened because of a "WIN" is hard to comprehend.

As i already mentioned, the violence can not just be attributed to a "win".

Jason P wrote:

And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.

The behaviour of shoppers during the Black Friday Riots is disgraceful. Unless of course you are suggesting it's not a big deal because not as many have been killed during the madness?

Violence between fans, players and fans and players is not that uncommon in most sports. Deaths on the other hand is rare, but we are talking about possibly the biggest sport out there. Too many people died in that stadium but considering that millions went to stadiums world wide to watch soccer games over the weekend then you would have to admit this is not a common event and deaths like these are rare.

fuck

Jason P wrote:

Egypt police, protesters clash after soccer riot

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html

It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?

You actually believe this bullshit?

Hint: The military's probably behind it

Jason P

fuck wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Egypt police, protesters clash after soccer riot

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html

It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?

You actually believe this bullshit?

Hint: The military's probably behind it

Since I'm not in Egypt, I don't know. All I have to go on is reports.

But why would the military be behind it? This incident has incited protest in the main square that are calling for the military to surrender power. If I'm trying to control a population, I want to maintain peace and order. Why kick the hornets nest, especially if you are struggling in the first place?

I think the root cause is a bunch of crazy fuckers. If it is more sinister, I would look to those that are trying to take power away from the current administration as the instigator.

Jason P

MookiesLaw wrote:

Jason P wrote:

And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.

The behaviour of shoppers during the Black Friday Riots is disgraceful. Unless of course you are suggesting it's not a big deal because not as many have been killed during the madness?

I agree that Black Friday is a disgrace. But it is still far off from resembling a scene from The Warriors.