Chaos in Egypt...what if

whygohome

This may happen in our country; though I feel that Wall St. will serve as the Lexington green............

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

whygohome wrote:

The American people would never exert the energy. There are celebrities to worship, the boob tube is always on, and McDonald's has 2 for 1 Big Macs.

We are content to be docile sheep.

You are probably right.
The people that do stand up in this country are often called radicals or as some of the people on this forum call them "REDNECKS" so a story like this makes me wonder who the real sheep are.

Godfather.

...
Nope. You have it all wrong.
These so-called 'people who stand up in this country'... were the very same people who didn't say jack shit from 2000 to 2008. They only 'Speak Up' when someone that is not who they voted for is in the White House. If anything, they are sheep that are hearded by the Republican shepperd speaking through the voicebox of a Fox disguised as one of them. They believe everything, without question, that their Shepperd tells them. Opinion and conjecture is mistaken for Fair and Balanced.
...
As for Egypt... to try to draw comparisons between the U.S. and Egypt isn't even close. Egypt has been under the contested rule of the same president for 3 decades. When a Republican wins the Presidency, these same people who are so up in arms, will, once again, revert back into complacency (and will, once again, condemn any opposition to 'their' president as treasonous).

Smellyman

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

whygohome wrote:

The American people would never exert the energy. There are celebrities to worship, the boob tube is always on, and McDonald's has 2 for 1 Big Macs.

We are content to be docile sheep.

You are probably right.
The people that do stand up in this country are often called radicals or as some of the people on this forum call them "REDNECKS" so a story like this makes me wonder who the real sheep are.

Godfather.

...
Nope. You have it all wrong.
These so-called 'people who stand up in this country'... were the very same people who didn't say jack shit from 2000 to 2008. They only 'Speak Up' when someone that is not who they voted for is in the White House. If anything, they are sheep that are hearded by the Republican shepperd speaking through the voicebox of a Fox disguised as one of them. They believe everything, without question, that their Shepperd tells them. Opinion and conjecture is mistaken for Fair and Balanced.
...
As for Egypt... to try to draw comparisons between the U.S. and Egypt isn't even close. Egypt has been under the contested rule of the same president for 3 decades. When a Republican wins the Presidency, these same people who are so up in arms, will, once again, revert back into complacency (and will, once again, condemn any opposition to 'their' president as treasonous).

Cosmo consistatly hits it out of the park...

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

whygohome wrote:

The American people would never exert the energy. There are celebrities to worship, the boob tube is always on, and McDonald's has 2 for 1 Big Macs.

We are content to be docile sheep.

You are probably right.
The people that do stand up in this country are often called radicals or as some of the people on this forum call them "REDNECKS" so a story like this makes me wonder who the real sheep are.

Godfather.

...
Nope. You have it all wrong.
These so-called 'people who stand up in this country'... were the very same people who didn't say jack shit from 2000 to 2008. They only 'Speak Up' when someone that is not who they voted for is in the White House. If anything, they are sheep that are hearded by the Republican shepperd speaking through the voicebox of a Fox disguised as one of them. They believe everything, without question, that their Shepperd tells them. Opinion and conjecture is mistaken for Fair and Balanced.
...
As for Egypt... to try to draw comparisons between the U.S. and Egypt isn't even close. Egypt has been under the contested rule of the same president for 3 decades. When a Republican wins the Presidency, these same people who are so up in arms, will, once again, revert back into complacency (and will, once again, condemn any opposition to 'their' president as treasonous).

no not necessarily, they have always been there they just don't get the coverage to bring them to the worlds attention until we get some goofball running for office or voted into office and the media wants a story, and fair and balanced ? tell me what is that....what ever the self-righteous Democrat believes to be true ?
thats a wide open arena Cosmo and if you want to believe one network over another then that's almost silly,I can tell you that I don't believe one more than the other, they're all in my opinion a basic outlet for news/info story's and after that anything you read or watch is open for doubt and controversy and we all like a good conspiracy don't we.

Godfather.

Godfather.

check these out if you have the time.

Godfather.

General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
Of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
Is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
Stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
Ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
Just for another day or two, we were ready
To surrender! It was the same at the
Battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
You knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
Helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
Were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
What most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
Lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
Same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
Is currently underway. It exposes the
Enormous power of a Biased Media to
Cut out the heart and will of
The American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy,
For they can take only your life.
Fear the media,
For they will destroy your honor.

and..

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

and the media lives on.

zarocat

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

I've read this and I disagree with the fact that the people in power are stupid. I think they know exactly what their doing to benefit their own pockets. The greater good is not a priority.
Also, I knew about China not investing in their own currency to keep it weak. Try to explain that to someone and note the look on their face that comes back at you.

Thanks for article.

Godfather.

zarocat wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

I've read this and I disagree with the fact that the people in power are stupid. I think they know exactly what their doing to benefit their own pockets. The greater good is not a priority.
Also, I knew about China not investing in their own currency to keep it weak. Try to explain that to someone and note the look on their face that comes back at you.

Thanks for article.

that was my point for Cosmo, a 100 people can read that article and some will believe every word and some will think for them selfs then some will not believe a word at all and in the end all we got was a basic idea of what was going on and not know the whole truth and it's that way with every media outlet imo.

Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

zarocat wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

I've read this and I disagree with the fact that the people in power are stupid. I think they know exactly what their doing to benefit their own pockets. The greater good is not a priority.
Also, I knew about China not investing in their own currency to keep it weak. Try to explain that to someone and note the look on their face that comes back at you.

Thanks for article.

that was my point for Cosmo, a 100 people can read that article and some will believe every word and some will think for them selfs then some will not believe a word at all and in the end all we got was a basic idea of what was going on and not know the whole truth and it's that way with every media outlet imo.

Godfather.

Not every media outlet works in the same way, perhaps in your country - but surely that does not equate to the world, although I do suspect some of you to believe this.

America has no where near the same level of issues that Egypt has experienced, and to suggest otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. I can see already that your "news" outlets, namely Fox is spinning the story about Muslim Brotherhood blah blah blah, and at how this will be bad for America.

The fact is that Americans have propped up yet another dictator, for their own gains, who will hopefully now be ousted by people (remember they are just people, not the James Bond villians that you so eagerly salivate over). Normal people who decide to revolt against a dictator, who have taken the very brave stand to oppose this regieme should be celebrated, not scorned or mocked.

You, Godfather, have been called on a number of different issues in the past given your poor understanding of discussed topics, your meandering rants, laced with personal insults to others, mocking tones, and sometimes bigoted opinions are very trying, at best, to digest and respond to, so do yourself the favor you have said many times you would: research the topic by viewing a number of sources and form your own opinion based on that.

mrvedderson

The American people would never protest like this, we have had a precedent set early on with our Ohio incident. I am not sure of too many people that will volunteer to be put down by the National Guard.

Jason P

It has been interesting to watch the Obama administration walk a fine line with the revolt in Egypt. This has to be a huge headache and distraction that came out of nowhere. Obama is well aware that one of the many stigma's that stain Jimmy Carter's presidency is that the US lost an ally in Iran during their revolution. Not only does Obama have to worry about Egypt, but pretty much the whole middle east (except Israel of course ).

At this point, I think the best thing that could happen for Egypt is that Mubarak resigns and announces new elections. Keep democracy alive and hopefully keep religion out of domestic policy.

FiveB247x

I agree, it really puts the US government in a pickle morally. We either sit on our hands and see what unfolds - if it's democracy that's great but could under mind "US interests" in the long term and if fails and we did nothing, we are looked upon as letting the regime continue because we didn't intervene. Now many may claim it is not our doing or responsibility, but considering we have been participating in "democracy building" in that regime of recently (or so we claim), it's really a red herring if we don't and we look like bigger hypocrites to all. In my opinion, our actions lead us to become exactly what our enemies paint us to be and that's nothing too complimentary to say the least.

Jason P wrote:

It has been interesting to watch the Obama administration walk a fine line with the revolt in Egypt. This has to be a huge headache and distraction that came out of nowhere. Obama is well aware that one of the many stigma's that stain Jimmy Carter's presidency is that the US lost an ally in Iran during their revolution. Not only does Obama have to worry about Egypt, but pretty much the whole middle east (except Israel of course ).

At this point, I think the best thing that could happen for Egypt is that Mubarak resigns and announces new elections. Keep democracy alive and hopefully keep religion out of domestic policy.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

zarocat wrote:

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

I've read this and I disagree with the fact that the people in power are stupid. I think they know exactly what their doing to benefit their own pockets. The greater good is not a priority.
Also, I knew about China not investing in their own currency to keep it weak. Try to explain that to someone and note the look on their face that comes back at you.

Thanks for article.

that was my point for Cosmo, a 100 people can read that article and some will believe every word and some will think for them selfs then some will not believe a word at all and in the end all we got was a basic idea of what was going on and not know the whole truth and it's that way with every media outlet imo.

Godfather.

Not every media outlet works in the same way, perhaps in your country - but surely that does not equate to the world, although I do suspect some of you to believe this.

America has no where near the same level of issues that Egypt has experienced, and to suggest otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. I can see already that your "news" outlets, namely Fox is spinning the story about Muslim Brotherhood blah blah blah, and at how this will be bad for America.

The fact is that Americans have propped up yet another dictator, for their own gains, who will hopefully now be ousted by people (remember they are just people, not the James Bond villians that you so eagerly salivate over). Normal people who decide to revolt against a dictator, who have taken the very brave stand to oppose this regieme should be celebrated, not scorned or mocked.

You, Godfather, have been called on a number of different issues in the past given your poor understanding of discussed topics, your meandering rants, laced with personal insults to others, mocking tones, and sometimes bigoted opinions are very trying, at best, to digest and respond to, so do yourself the favor you have said many times you would: research the topic by viewing a number of sources and form your own opinion based on that.

ummmm you must be a real genius and for you to take time out of your (I'm sure) very busy schedule to blast me is an honor I will always cherrish...this post, as silly as you sound in your posts I'm sure it's just a simple misunderstanding (brain-fingertips-keyboard) but not to worry I understand your point and how much you respect my views as an AMERICAN sense you are not and in no way could ever understand that feeling yourself
you are understandably upset with your self, you'll be alright there big guy

Godfather.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

no not necessarily, they have always been there they just don't get the coverage to bring them to the worlds attention until we get some goofball running for office or voted into office and the media wants a story, and fair and balanced ? tell me what is that....what ever the self-righteous Democrat believes to be true ?
thats a wide open arena Cosmo and if you want to believe one network over another then that's almost silly,I can tell you that I don't believe one more than the other, they're all in my opinion a basic outlet for news/info story's and after that anything you read or watch is open for doubt and controversy and we all like a good conspiracy don't we.

Godfather.

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I am talking about the people you stated are the one who are willing to stand up for this country against our leadership.
Where the fuck were those people when we were sending off our military people to fight a war of choosing, not of necessity? Where were they when it was discovered that the reasons WHY were went to war were false at best, purely concocted at worst? I'll tell you where they were... they were still supporting and making excuses for our leaders instead of holding them responsible and accountable for the lost lives made by their inaccurate and poor decisions.
And YES... FOX News has a decicated audience. The same a MoveOn.org has a dedicated following. Neither side is willing to even listen to the other and simply dismiss their opinions a 'wrong'. Besides, haven't you... yourself defended the FOX broadcast in the past? Pointing out how its ratings are higher than those of other cable and broadcast outlets? Don't discount FOX's influence over its audience. An audience that only wants to hear the opinions they agree with... they are the mirror image of Moveon.org and their audience.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

no not necessarily, they have always been there they just don't get the coverage to bring them to the worlds attention until we get some goofball running for office or voted into office and the media wants a story, and fair and balanced ? tell me what is that....what ever the self-righteous Democrat believes to be true ?
thats a wide open arena Cosmo and if you want to believe one network over another then that's almost silly,I can tell you that I don't believe one more than the other, they're all in my opinion a basic outlet for news/info story's and after that anything you read or watch is open for doubt and controversy and we all like a good conspiracy don't we.

Godfather.

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I am talking about the people you stated are the one who are willing to stand up for this country against our leadership.
Where the fuck were those people when we were sending off our military people to fight a war of choosing, not of necessity? Where were they when it was discovered that the reasons WHY were went to war were false at best, purely concocted at worst? I'll tell you where they were... they were still supporting and making excuses for our leaders instead of holding them responsible and accountable for the lost lives made by their inaccurate and poor decisions.
And YES... FOX News has a decicated audience. The same a MoveOn.org has a dedicated following. Neither side is willing to even listen to the other and simply dismiss their opinions a 'wrong'. Besides, haven't you... yourself defended the FOX broadcast in the past? Pointing out how its ratings are higher than those of other cable and broadcast outlets? Don't discount FOX's influence over its audience. An audience that only wants to hear the opinions they agree with... they are the mirror image of Moveon.org and their audience.

wow man lets be honest with each other here, you asked where were those people ? all I can say is cross their line and find out...shit I don't know ! and the only thing I have said to back up fox is it's better entrainment and you might have to refresh my memory about the ratings thing ,I really can't remember that at all and come to think of it Cosmo those people you asked about I would guess have a little different view on the war and politics than you all here on the train...I'm guessing

Godfather.

VINNY GOOMBA

Caution! Cheesey political humor ahead-- read at your own risk!

Why did Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, and Oscar The Grouch have a meeting with President Barack Obama this afternoon? Give up? Well, someone's gotta run Egypt! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!

Godfather.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Caution! Cheesey political humor ahead-- read at your own risk!

Why did Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, and Oscar The Grouch have a meeting with President Barack Obama this afternoon? Give up? Well, someone's gotta run Egypt! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!

nobama can't even run America properly......mybe he should quit

Godfather.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

check these out if you have the time.

Godfather.

General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
Of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
Is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
Stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
Ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
Just for another day or two, we were ready
To surrender! It was the same at the
Battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
You knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
Helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
Were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
What most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
Lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
Same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
Is currently underway. It exposes the
Enormous power of a Biased Media to
Cut out the heart and will of
The American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy,
For they can take only your life.
Fear the media,
For they will destroy your honor.

and..

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

and the media lives on.

...
False.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
...
Read 'The Ten Thousand Day War' that documents the War in Southeast Asia from the time the French began it to the time the U.S. vacated.
To believe that 'The Media' was the downfall is nothing sort of naive. In the 1960/70s, U.S. newsroom reported the news, instead of inserting personal commentary. We were not on the current 24-Hour cycle of 'News' broadcasting of today. The information being brought into our living rooms for 10 minutes or so at 6:00 P.M. were reports from the Pentagon censors. The Pentagon was keeping a nightly body count as a scoreboard to who was 'winning'... 6 U.S. servicemen were killed and 18 wounded today in sporadic fighting near the DMZ while 1,634 Viet Cong were killed. Us-1,634, Them-6.
The homeland support of the war wasn't because of the college students... it turned to the American Majority when U.S. soldiers were coming home and telling us the truth about what was really going on over there. The anti-War movement gained support from blue collar, union hard-hats not beecause of hippie protestors in Berkley... it was when their kids were coming home all fucked up and told them that our government had been lying to them for all those years.
Newsrooms reported on the protests and the truth of Viet Nam began to emerge. In 1970, America had journalists reporting the news. Today, it is pundits with an agenda that are providing commentary on news items. Newsrooms no longer exist in America... because journalism does not generate revenue... sensationalism generates money.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

check these out if you have the time.

Godfather.

General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
Of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
Is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
Stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
Ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
Just for another day or two, we were ready
To surrender! It was the same at the
Battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
You knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
Helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
Were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
What most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
Lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
Same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
Is currently underway. It exposes the
Enormous power of a Biased Media to
Cut out the heart and will of
The American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy,
For they can take only your life.
Fear the media,
For they will destroy your honor.

and..

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-o ... /id/384427

and the media lives on.

...
False.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
...
Read 'The Ten Thousand Day War' that documents the War in Southeast Asia from the time the French began it to the time the U.S. vacated.
To believe that 'The Media' was the downfall is nothing sort of naive. In the 1960/70s, U.S. newsroom reported the news, instead of inserting personal commentary. We were not on the current 24-Hour cycle of 'News' broadcasting of today. The information being brought into our living rooms for 10 minutes or so at 6:00 P.M. were reports from the Pentagon censors. The Pentagon was keeping a nightly body count as a scoreboard to who was 'winning'... 6 U.S. servicemen were killed and 18 wounded today in sporadic fighting near the DMZ while 1,634 Viet Cong were killed. Us-1,634, Them-6.
The homeland support of the war wasn't because of the college students... it turned to the American Majority when U.S. soldiers were coming home and telling us the truth about what was really going on over there. The anti-War movement gained support from blue collar, union hard-hats not beecause of hippie protestors in Berkley... it was when their kids were coming home all fucked up and told them that our government had been lying to them for all those years.
Newsrooms reported on the protests and the truth of Viet Nam began to emerge. In 1970, America had journalists reporting the news. Today, it is pundits with an agenda that are providing commentary on news items. Newsrooms no longer exist in America... because journalism does not generate revenue... sensationalism generates money.

cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics

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Your example is a perfect example of false pretense. It probably came to you in the form of a blog that was originally delivered in a spam mail with the underlying agenda point to place the failures of our involvement in Viet Nam on 'The Media'. The fact is our basic failure in Viet Nam was our BEING in Viet Nam in the first place. Viet Nam just wanted unification and knew all they had to do was survive, not win. The U.S. military did not suffer one military defeat in battles with the Vietnamese people... yet, we lost the war. The ironic truth is, 'The Media' helped to deliver the truth that was being hidden from us by our government and our military leaders.
...
My point has always been... 'The Media' is not to blame. The viewer has a responsibility to understand that what is being presented is not news. It is personal commentary... someone else's opinion.
Sure, the evening news is still news when it reports on the factual data and events of what is going in in Egypt. It becomes commentary when the giver of the news injects his or her opinions or commentary.
So, if people want to agree with what FOX News celebrities feel... or what MoveOn.org writers believe... that is up to them. But, to say they are basing their opinions on facts is not a true statement... they are basing their opinion on someone else's opinion.

Moonpig

ummmm you must be a real genius and for you to take time out of your (I'm sure) very busy schedule to blast me is an honor I will always cherrish...this post, as silly as you sound in your posts I'm sure it's just a simple misunderstanding (brain-fingertips-keyboard) but not to worry I understand your point and how much you respect my views as an AMERICAN sense you are not and in no way could ever understand that feeling yourself
you are understandably upset with your self, you'll be alright there big guy

Godfather.

em, what on earth are you even trying to say here?

Am I to assume that you believe because I am not American that I am upset at that? It's a real question because I really can't make heads or tails of that post.

For the record, I've never had a desire to be American, I'm just fine with where I live, free to vote and have an opinion and all without fear of oppression, imagine Godfather - such a place does exist outside of America.

My point really was, equating the situation in Egypt to America was ridiculous, however I fear that point was lost on you.