I agree, it really puts the US government in a pickle morally. We either sit on our hands and see what unfolds - if it's democracy that's great but could under mind "US interests" in the long term and if fails and we did nothing, we are looked upon as letting the regime continue because we didn't intervene. Now many may claim it is not our doing or responsibility, but considering we have been participating in "democracy building" in that regime of recently (or so we claim), it's really a red herring if we don't and we look like bigger hypocrites to all. In my opinion, our actions lead us to become exactly what our enemies paint us to be and that's nothing too complimentary to say the least.
It has been interesting to watch the Obama administration walk a fine line with the revolt in Egypt. This has to be a huge headache and distraction that came out of nowhere. Obama is well aware that one of the many stigma's that stain Jimmy Carter's presidency is that the US lost an ally in Iran during their revolution. Not only does Obama have to worry about Egypt, but pretty much the whole middle east (except Israel of course ).
At this point, I think the best thing that could happen for Egypt is that Mubarak resigns and announces new elections. Keep democracy alive and hopefully keep religion out of domestic policy.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I've read this and I disagree with the fact that the people in power are stupid. I think they know exactly what their doing to benefit their own pockets. The greater good is not a priority.
Also, I knew about China not investing in their own currency to keep it weak. Try to explain that to someone and note the look on their face that comes back at you.
Thanks for article.
that was my point for Cosmo, a 100 people can read that article and some will believe every word and some will think for them selfs then some will not believe a word at all and in the end all we got was a basic idea of what was going on and not know the whole truth and it's that way with every media outlet imo.
Godfather.
Not every media outlet works in the same way, perhaps in your country - but surely that does not equate to the world, although I do suspect some of you to believe this.
America has no where near the same level of issues that Egypt has experienced, and to suggest otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. I can see already that your "news" outlets, namely Fox is spinning the story about Muslim Brotherhood blah blah blah, and at how this will be bad for America.
The fact is that Americans have propped up yet another dictator, for their own gains, who will hopefully now be ousted by people (remember they are just people, not the James Bond villians that you so eagerly salivate over). Normal people who decide to revolt against a dictator, who have taken the very brave stand to oppose this regieme should be celebrated, not scorned or mocked.
You, Godfather, have been called on a number of different issues in the past given your poor understanding of discussed topics, your meandering rants, laced with personal insults to others, mocking tones, and sometimes bigoted opinions are very trying, at best, to digest and respond to, so do yourself the favor you have said many times you would: research the topic by viewing a number of sources and form your own opinion based on that.
ummmm you must be a real genius and for you to take time out of your (I'm sure) very busy schedule to blast me is an honor I will always cherrish...this post, as silly as you sound in your posts I'm sure it's just a simple misunderstanding (brain-fingertips-keyboard) but not to worry I understand your point and how much you respect my views as an AMERICAN sense you are not and in no way could ever understand that feeling yourself
you are understandably upset with your self, you'll be alright there big guy
no not necessarily, they have always been there they just don't get the coverage to bring them to the worlds attention until we get some goofball running for office or voted into office and the media wants a story, and fair and balanced ? tell me what is that....what ever the self-righteous Democrat believes to be true ?
thats a wide open arena Cosmo and if you want to believe one network over another then that's almost silly,I can tell you that I don't believe one more than the other, they're all in my opinion a basic outlet for news/info story's and after that anything you read or watch is open for doubt and controversy and we all like a good conspiracy don't we.
Godfather.
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I am talking about the people you stated are the one who are willing to stand up for this country against our leadership.
Where the fuck were those people when we were sending off our military people to fight a war of choosing, not of necessity? Where were they when it was discovered that the reasons WHY were went to war were false at best, purely concocted at worst? I'll tell you where they were... they were still supporting and making excuses for our leaders instead of holding them responsible and accountable for the lost lives made by their inaccurate and poor decisions.
And YES... FOX News has a decicated audience. The same a MoveOn.org has a dedicated following. Neither side is willing to even listen to the other and simply dismiss their opinions a 'wrong'. Besides, haven't you... yourself defended the FOX broadcast in the past? Pointing out how its ratings are higher than those of other cable and broadcast outlets? Don't discount FOX's influence over its audience. An audience that only wants to hear the opinions they agree with... they are the mirror image of Moveon.org and their audience.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
no not necessarily, they have always been there they just don't get the coverage to bring them to the worlds attention until we get some goofball running for office or voted into office and the media wants a story, and fair and balanced ? tell me what is that....what ever the self-righteous Democrat believes to be true ?
thats a wide open arena Cosmo and if you want to believe one network over another then that's almost silly,I can tell you that I don't believe one more than the other, they're all in my opinion a basic outlet for news/info story's and after that anything you read or watch is open for doubt and controversy and we all like a good conspiracy don't we.
Godfather.
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I am talking about the people you stated are the one who are willing to stand up for this country against our leadership.
Where the fuck were those people when we were sending off our military people to fight a war of choosing, not of necessity? Where were they when it was discovered that the reasons WHY were went to war were false at best, purely concocted at worst? I'll tell you where they were... they were still supporting and making excuses for our leaders instead of holding them responsible and accountable for the lost lives made by their inaccurate and poor decisions.
And YES... FOX News has a decicated audience. The same a MoveOn.org has a dedicated following. Neither side is willing to even listen to the other and simply dismiss their opinions a 'wrong'. Besides, haven't you... yourself defended the FOX broadcast in the past? Pointing out how its ratings are higher than those of other cable and broadcast outlets? Don't discount FOX's influence over its audience. An audience that only wants to hear the opinions they agree with... they are the mirror image of Moveon.org and their audience.
wow man lets be honest with each other here, you asked where were those people ? all I can say is cross their line and find out...shit I don't know ! and the only thing I have said to back up fox is it's better entrainment and you might have to refresh my memory about the ratings thing ,I really can't remember that at all and come to think of it Cosmo those people you asked about I would guess have a little different view on the war and politics than you all here on the train...I'm guessing
Caution! Cheesey political humor ahead-- read at your own risk!
Why did Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, and Oscar The Grouch have a meeting with President Barack Obama this afternoon? Give up? Well, someone's gotta run Egypt! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!
Caution! Cheesey political humor ahead-- read at your own risk!
Why did Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, and Oscar The Grouch have a meeting with President Barack Obama this afternoon? Give up? Well, someone's gotta run Egypt! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!
nobama can't even run America properly......mybe he should quit
General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
Of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
Is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
Stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
Ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
Just for another day or two, we were ready
To surrender! It was the same at the
Battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
You knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
Helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
Were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
What most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
Lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
Same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
Is currently underway. It exposes the
Enormous power of a Biased Media to
Cut out the heart and will of
The American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy,
For they can take only your life.
Fear the media,
For they will destroy your honor.
...
False. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
...
Read 'The Ten Thousand Day War' that documents the War in Southeast Asia from the time the French began it to the time the U.S. vacated.
To believe that 'The Media' was the downfall is nothing sort of naive. In the 1960/70s, U.S. newsroom reported the news, instead of inserting personal commentary. We were not on the current 24-Hour cycle of 'News' broadcasting of today. The information being brought into our living rooms for 10 minutes or so at 6:00 P.M. were reports from the Pentagon censors. The Pentagon was keeping a nightly body count as a scoreboard to who was 'winning'... 6 U.S. servicemen were killed and 18 wounded today in sporadic fighting near the DMZ while 1,634 Viet Cong were killed. Us-1,634, Them-6.
The homeland support of the war wasn't because of the college students... it turned to the American Majority when U.S. soldiers were coming home and telling us the truth about what was really going on over there. The anti-War movement gained support from blue collar, union hard-hats not beecause of hippie protestors in Berkley... it was when their kids were coming home all fucked up and told them that our government had been lying to them for all those years.
Newsrooms reported on the protests and the truth of Viet Nam began to emerge. In 1970, America had journalists reporting the news. Today, it is pundits with an agenda that are providing commentary on news items. Newsrooms no longer exist in America... because journalism does not generate revenue... sensationalism generates money.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
General VoNguyen Giap.
General Giap was a brilliant, highly respected leader
Of the North Vietnam military. The following quote
Is from his memoirs currently found in the
Vietnam war memorial in Hanoi :
'What we still don't understand is why you Americans
Stopped the bombing of Hanoi . You had us on the
Ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder,
Just for another day or two, we were ready
To surrender! It was the same at the
Battle of TET. You defeated us!
We knew it, and we thought
You knew it.
But we were elated to notice your media was
Helping us. They were causing more disruption in
America than we could in the battlefields. We
Were ready to surrender. You had won!'
General Giap has published his memoirs and confirmed
What most Americans knew. The Vietnam war was not
Lost in Vietnam -- it was lost at home. The
Same slippery slope, sponsored by the US media,
Is currently underway. It exposes the
Enormous power of a Biased Media to
Cut out the heart and will of
The American public.
A truism worthy of note: ... Do not fear the enemy,
For they can take only your life.
Fear the media,
For they will destroy your honor.
...
False. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
...
Read 'The Ten Thousand Day War' that documents the War in Southeast Asia from the time the French began it to the time the U.S. vacated.
To believe that 'The Media' was the downfall is nothing sort of naive. In the 1960/70s, U.S. newsroom reported the news, instead of inserting personal commentary. We were not on the current 24-Hour cycle of 'News' broadcasting of today. The information being brought into our living rooms for 10 minutes or so at 6:00 P.M. were reports from the Pentagon censors. The Pentagon was keeping a nightly body count as a scoreboard to who was 'winning'... 6 U.S. servicemen were killed and 18 wounded today in sporadic fighting near the DMZ while 1,634 Viet Cong were killed. Us-1,634, Them-6.
The homeland support of the war wasn't because of the college students... it turned to the American Majority when U.S. soldiers were coming home and telling us the truth about what was really going on over there. The anti-War movement gained support from blue collar, union hard-hats not beecause of hippie protestors in Berkley... it was when their kids were coming home all fucked up and told them that our government had been lying to them for all those years.
Newsrooms reported on the protests and the truth of Viet Nam began to emerge. In 1970, America had journalists reporting the news. Today, it is pundits with an agenda that are providing commentary on news items. Newsrooms no longer exist in America... because journalism does not generate revenue... sensationalism generates money.
cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics
cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics
...
Your example is a perfect example of false pretense. It probably came to you in the form of a blog that was originally delivered in a spam mail with the underlying agenda point to place the failures of our involvement in Viet Nam on 'The Media'. The fact is our basic failure in Viet Nam was our BEING in Viet Nam in the first place. Viet Nam just wanted unification and knew all they had to do was survive, not win. The U.S. military did not suffer one military defeat in battles with the Vietnamese people... yet, we lost the war. The ironic truth is, 'The Media' helped to deliver the truth that was being hidden from us by our government and our military leaders.
...
My point has always been... 'The Media' is not to blame. The viewer has a responsibility to understand that what is being presented is not news. It is personal commentary... someone else's opinion.
Sure, the evening news is still news when it reports on the factual data and events of what is going in in Egypt. It becomes commentary when the giver of the news injects his or her opinions or commentary.
So, if people want to agree with what FOX News celebrities feel... or what MoveOn.org writers believe... that is up to them. But, to say they are basing their opinions on facts is not a true statement... they are basing their opinion on someone else's opinion.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
ummmm you must be a real genius and for you to take time out of your (I'm sure) very busy schedule to blast me is an honor I will always cherrish...this post, as silly as you sound in your posts I'm sure it's just a simple misunderstanding (brain-fingertips-keyboard) but not to worry I understand your point and how much you respect my views as an AMERICAN sense you are not and in no way could ever understand that feeling yourself
you are understandably upset with your self, you'll be alright there big guy
Godfather.
em, what on earth are you even trying to say here?
Am I to assume that you believe because I am not American that I am upset at that? It's a real question because I really can't make heads or tails of that post.
For the record, I've never had a desire to be American, I'm just fine with where I live, free to vote and have an opinion and all without fear of oppression, imagine Godfather - such a place does exist outside of America.
My point really was, equating the situation in Egypt to America was ridiculous, however I fear that point was lost on you.
Our situation is not even remotely close to Egypt or Tunisia. Egypt has had the same leader since I was in kindergarten (now 35). Plus have you looked around this place? I've said this before and I'll reiterate: As long as our lines are for iphones and call of duty and not bread or medicine there will be no revolution.
QFT
I'm surprised there are more AMT topics on this situation. Maybe I just missed them.
Tear gas and rubber bullets are status quo for riots/protests, but shutting down the internet? This shit is pretty much unprecedented.
Um.... no I won't "QFT" and I'm right. I didn't say I agreed with it all but our country is way too rich, lazy and distracted by our own everyday lives to revolt in any meaningful fashion.
cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics
...
Your example is a perfect example of false pretense. It probably came to you in the form of a blog that was originally delivered in a spam mail with the underlying agenda point to place the failures of our involvement in Viet Nam on 'The Media'. The fact is our basic failure in Viet Nam was our BEING in Viet Nam in the first place. Viet Nam just wanted unification and knew all they had to do was survive, not win. The U.S. military did not suffer one military defeat in battles with the Vietnamese people... yet, we lost the war. The ironic truth is, 'The Media' helped to deliver the truth that was being hidden from us by our government and our military leaders.
...
My point has always been... 'The Media' is not to blame. The viewer has a responsibility to understand that what is being presented is not news. It is personal commentary... someone else's opinion.
Sure, the evening news is still news when it reports on the factual data and events of what is going in in Egypt. It becomes commentary when the giver of the news injects his or her opinions or commentary.
So, if people want to agree with what FOX News celebrities feel... or what MoveOn.org writers believe... that is up to them. But, to say they are basing their opinions on facts is not a true statement... they are basing their opinion on someone else's opinion.
I've been trying to figure the angles behind this since it began...
Mubarak has been a US puppet forever.
I keep reading that Obama is hesitant to throw his support behind his ouster because of this....Mainstream media seems to be 100% behind this movement.....I read alt media making statements about how the US was behind the Green Revolution in Iran, but we should not be as skeptical about this movement....yet I also read that the US have been financing and organizing attempts to overthrow Mubarak since 2008....why?
...is this because he was set to step down and give the reigns to his son, and his son is not willing to play ball with Western powers?
I read that there is a campaign now to have the head of intelligence take over if/when Mubarak steps down (think I may have read that he was named VP or something?)....heard he has deep CIA ties (but then, how could you be head of ANY spy agency and not have ties with the CIA?)
I can't figure out if the West is being reactionary, or how deeply involved in this they are, at it's root.
I guess the answer will come when the smoke clears. I think the movement is (or has become?) genuine in it's desire for major reforms...the question is how co-opted the outcome will be. Will the peopel see thru an establishment personality taking control, with minor policy concessions made to appease the movement, or will they continue to fight until they find someone who is truly beholden to the best interests of the Egyptian people?
Regardless of who is backing this movement, and what the outcome is, who ends up in power...it's pretty apparent that neo-liberal policy is what started this unrest....hungry people don't stay hungry for long: http://anilnetto.com/corporate-led-glob ... ank-ideas/
Our situation is not even remotely close to Egypt or Tunisia. Egypt has had the same leader since I was in kindergarten (now 35). Plus have you looked around this place? I've said this before and I'll reiterate: As long as our lines are for iphones and call of duty and not bread or medicine there will be no revolution.
QFT
I'm surprised there are more AMT topics on this situation. Maybe I just missed them.
Tear gas and rubber bullets are status quo for riots/protests, but shutting down the internet? This shit is pretty much unprecedented.
Um.... no I won't "QFT" and I'm right. I didn't say I agreed with it all but our country is way too rich, lazy and distracted by our own everyday lives to revolt in any meaningful fashion.
Relax bud, I dunno what "QFT" means to you, but to me it means "quoted for truth". In other words, it means "fuck yeah I agree with the above post so much that I'm gonna repost it rather than try to elucidate my thoughts myself". Kumbaya and whatnot.
OT: In the interest of accuracy, I think originally QFT was used when someone quoted a prior post in order to prevent later editing by the original author. That is, to prevent a poster from backtracking later in the thread and revising the thoughts they put out on the interwebs.
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Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.
Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.
Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.
Too many people depend on the government to protest it.
Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.
Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.
Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.
Too many people depend on the government to protest it.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Tunisian and Egyptian people rebel against their corrupted leaders after so many years of tolerance..
What if the same thing happens here...
Well, it SHOULD happen here in Greece.. Egypt is not so far away and things often turn into a big wave.. I don't know if it will be for better or worse but something must be done. We've had enough with corruption.
Anyway we'll see how things work out both in Egypt and here...
Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.
Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.
Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.
Too many people depend on the government to protest it.
TEA PARTY
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
One fringe group will not change our system or future. We have so many issues and problems to overcome to fix our nation, it would take a massive effort of all people involved being on the same page and that's something that over the past 20-30 yrs has become blatantly obvious that will not occur. Whether it's indifference, unwillingness to care or the growing political polarization of our nation, it's slowing coming apart, not coming together. People as a whole are more ignorant, less interested, less willing to think outside of themselves and more content with consumerism... now does this sound like a population that wants change or demands responsibility and accountability and forces the hand of power to shift in their direction? Time and time again, the more you look around, the more you see and realize, it all went wrong and can't be fixed. Greed, media, technology and self-interest are our nations lasting values.. the rest is word-play and double talk. What started out as a great experiment with the intention of constant and involved citizens has fallen by the wayside by our own growth through economic and military power. Sad but true. People elsewhere can revolt and be successful because they have the backbone and follow through for it... something we have long since lost. And it's not liberals, conservatives, repubs, dems fault.. it's everyone.. the day americans start acting as if there's a "we" and not an "i" will be the day we begin reforming like we see in Egypt.
Can it happen here? Probably not. The closest it can was last year at election time. The people spoke.
Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.
Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.
Too many people depend on the government to protest it.
TEA PARTY
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?
Watched this a little earlier. Seems to be an extensive history of serious rivalry and violence between these fans. The home fans, who had supported the revolution are stating that supporters of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Even though Mubarak is gone, the military who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed uninterested in trying to contain the riot.
Apparently at least half of those dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. Interesting comment from one of my peers today at work was something along the lines of "they're crazy over their, rioting over a game"....People have short memories and love to take the moral high ground. What happens after Championships here? And let's not forget people get trampled to death at early morning sales for Barbie Dolls and lego for their kids for Christmas.
It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?
Watched this a little earlier. Seems to be an extensive history of serious rivalry and violence between these fans. The home fans, who had supported the revolution are stating that supporters of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Even though Mubarak is gone, the military who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed uninterested in trying to contain the riot.
Apparently at least half of those dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. Interesting comment from one of my peers today at work was something along the lines of "they're crazy over their, rioting over a game"....People have short memories and love to take the moral high ground. What happens after Championships here? And let's not forget people get trampled to death at early morning sales for Barbie Dolls and lego for their kids for Christmas.
It's still pretty fucked up, regardless of what the fans feel. I don't like Patriot fans ... I would never consider chasing them down after a win and stabbing / beating them ... to death (maybe just a little stabbing ... for Ray Lewis's sake ... :shock: :( (fuck you, stabby).
The fact that the stabbing / killing happened because of a "WIN" is hard to comprehend.
Just one more reason why soccer is dumb.
And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.
And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.
The behaviour of shoppers during the Black Friday Riots is disgraceful. Unless of course you are suggesting it's not a big deal because not as many have been killed during the madness?
Violence between fans, players and fans and players is not that uncommon in most sports. Deaths on the other hand is rare, but we are talking about possibly the biggest sport out there. Too many people died in that stadium but considering that millions went to stadiums world wide to watch soccer games over the weekend then you would have to admit this is not a common event and deaths like these are rare.
It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?
You actually believe this bullshit?
Hint: The military's probably behind it
Since I'm not in Egypt, I don't know. All I have to go on is reports.
But why would the military be behind it? This incident has incited protest in the main square that are calling for the military to surrender power. If I'm trying to control a population, I want to maintain peace and order. Why kick the hornets nest, especially if you are struggling in the first place?
I think the root cause is a bunch of crazy fuckers. If it is more sinister, I would look to those that are trying to take power away from the current administration as the instigator.
And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.
The behaviour of shoppers during the Black Friday Riots is disgraceful. Unless of course you are suggesting it's not a big deal because not as many have been killed during the madness?
I agree that Black Friday is a disgrace. But it is still far off from resembling a scene from The Warriors.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
ummmm you must be a real genius and for you to take time out of your (I'm sure) very busy schedule to blast me is an honor I will always cherrish...this post, as silly as you sound in your posts I'm sure it's just a simple misunderstanding (brain-fingertips-keyboard) but not to worry I understand your point and how much you respect my views as an AMERICAN sense you are not and in no way could ever understand that feeling yourself
you are understandably upset with your self, you'll be alright there big guy
Godfather.
I am talking about the people you stated are the one who are willing to stand up for this country against our leadership.
Where the fuck were those people when we were sending off our military people to fight a war of choosing, not of necessity? Where were they when it was discovered that the reasons WHY were went to war were false at best, purely concocted at worst? I'll tell you where they were... they were still supporting and making excuses for our leaders instead of holding them responsible and accountable for the lost lives made by their inaccurate and poor decisions.
And YES... FOX News has a decicated audience. The same a MoveOn.org has a dedicated following. Neither side is willing to even listen to the other and simply dismiss their opinions a 'wrong'. Besides, haven't you... yourself defended the FOX broadcast in the past? Pointing out how its ratings are higher than those of other cable and broadcast outlets? Don't discount FOX's influence over its audience. An audience that only wants to hear the opinions they agree with... they are the mirror image of Moveon.org and their audience.
Hail, Hail!!!
wow man lets be honest with each other here, you asked where were those people ? all I can say is cross their line and find out...shit I don't know ! and the only thing I have said to back up fox is it's better entrainment and you might have to refresh my memory about the ratings thing ,I really can't remember that at all and come to think of it Cosmo those people you asked about I would guess have a little different view on the war and politics than you all here on the train...I'm guessing
Godfather.
Why did Miss Piggy, Kermit the Frog, and Oscar The Grouch have a meeting with President Barack Obama this afternoon? Give up? Well, someone's gotta run Egypt! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!
Godfather.
False.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
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Read 'The Ten Thousand Day War' that documents the War in Southeast Asia from the time the French began it to the time the U.S. vacated.
To believe that 'The Media' was the downfall is nothing sort of naive. In the 1960/70s, U.S. newsroom reported the news, instead of inserting personal commentary. We were not on the current 24-Hour cycle of 'News' broadcasting of today. The information being brought into our living rooms for 10 minutes or so at 6:00 P.M. were reports from the Pentagon censors. The Pentagon was keeping a nightly body count as a scoreboard to who was 'winning'... 6 U.S. servicemen were killed and 18 wounded today in sporadic fighting near the DMZ while 1,634 Viet Cong were killed. Us-1,634, Them-6.
The homeland support of the war wasn't because of the college students... it turned to the American Majority when U.S. soldiers were coming home and telling us the truth about what was really going on over there. The anti-War movement gained support from blue collar, union hard-hats not beecause of hippie protestors in Berkley... it was when their kids were coming home all fucked up and told them that our government had been lying to them for all those years.
Newsrooms reported on the protests and the truth of Viet Nam began to emerge. In 1970, America had journalists reporting the news. Today, it is pundits with an agenda that are providing commentary on news items. Newsrooms no longer exist in America... because journalism does not generate revenue... sensationalism generates money.
Hail, Hail!!!
cosmo that was cool !
I didn't know if were true or false I was just using it as a point to explain the influence the media has and what we really know or don't know, once again you have made a good call on the truth of media/net topics
Your example is a perfect example of false pretense. It probably came to you in the form of a blog that was originally delivered in a spam mail with the underlying agenda point to place the failures of our involvement in Viet Nam on 'The Media'. The fact is our basic failure in Viet Nam was our BEING in Viet Nam in the first place. Viet Nam just wanted unification and knew all they had to do was survive, not win. The U.S. military did not suffer one military defeat in battles with the Vietnamese people... yet, we lost the war. The ironic truth is, 'The Media' helped to deliver the truth that was being hidden from us by our government and our military leaders.
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My point has always been... 'The Media' is not to blame. The viewer has a responsibility to understand that what is being presented is not news. It is personal commentary... someone else's opinion.
Sure, the evening news is still news when it reports on the factual data and events of what is going in in Egypt. It becomes commentary when the giver of the news injects his or her opinions or commentary.
So, if people want to agree with what FOX News celebrities feel... or what MoveOn.org writers believe... that is up to them. But, to say they are basing their opinions on facts is not a true statement... they are basing their opinion on someone else's opinion.
Hail, Hail!!!
em, what on earth are you even trying to say here?
Am I to assume that you believe because I am not American that I am upset at that? It's a real question because I really can't make heads or tails of that post.
For the record, I've never had a desire to be American, I'm just fine with where I live, free to vote and have an opinion and all without fear of oppression, imagine Godfather - such a place does exist outside of America.
My point really was, equating the situation in Egypt to America was ridiculous, however I fear that point was lost on you.
Um.... no I won't "QFT" and I'm right. I didn't say I agreed with it all but our country is way too rich, lazy and distracted by our own everyday lives to revolt in any meaningful fashion.
makes perfect sense, thanks Cosmo.
Godfather.
Mubarak has been a US puppet forever.
I keep reading that Obama is hesitant to throw his support behind his ouster because of this....Mainstream media seems to be 100% behind this movement.....I read alt media making statements about how the US was behind the Green Revolution in Iran, but we should not be as skeptical about this movement....yet I also read that the US have been financing and organizing attempts to overthrow Mubarak since 2008....why?
...is this because he was set to step down and give the reigns to his son, and his son is not willing to play ball with Western powers?
I read that there is a campaign now to have the head of intelligence take over if/when Mubarak steps down (think I may have read that he was named VP or something?)....heard he has deep CIA ties (but then, how could you be head of ANY spy agency and not have ties with the CIA?)
I can't figure out if the West is being reactionary, or how deeply involved in this they are, at it's root.
I guess the answer will come when the smoke clears. I think the movement is (or has become?) genuine in it's desire for major reforms...the question is how co-opted the outcome will be. Will the peopel see thru an establishment personality taking control, with minor policy concessions made to appease the movement, or will they continue to fight until they find someone who is truly beholden to the best interests of the Egyptian people?
http://anilnetto.com/corporate-led-glob ... ank-ideas/
Then you read this...:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 0a441d.c11
OT: In the interest of accuracy, I think originally QFT was used when someone quoted a prior post in order to prevent later editing by the original author. That is, to prevent a poster from backtracking later in the thread and revising the thoughts they put out on the interwebs.
Now could it ever get violent? Yeah but it would take something like martial law and door to door searches to get people to push back.
Like someone said economically it doesn't get much worse and nobody is doing anything. They are more concerned with watching the jersey shore.
Too many people depend on the government to protest it.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
What if the same thing happens here...
Well, it SHOULD happen here in Greece.. Egypt is not so far away and things often turn into a big wave.. I don't know if it will be for better or worse but something must be done. We've had enough with corruption.
Anyway we'll see how things work out both in Egypt and here...
TEA PARTY
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-police-protesters-clash-soccer-riot-171822625--spt.html
It is February 2nd ... is that I Got You Babe I hear on the radio?
Apparently at least half of those dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. Interesting comment from one of my peers today at work was something along the lines of "they're crazy over their, rioting over a game"....People have short memories and love to take the moral high ground. What happens after Championships here? And let's not forget people get trampled to death at early morning sales for Barbie Dolls and lego for their kids for Christmas.
The fact that the stabbing / killing happened because of a "WIN" is hard to comprehend.
Just one more reason why soccer is dumb.
And I would like to see stats on where people die getting Barbies ... there has to be another 80 deaths just to get into the top five of "soccer tragedies". The bar is set at around 75 fatalities just to crack the top 5.
The behaviour of shoppers during the Black Friday Riots is disgraceful. Unless of course you are suggesting it's not a big deal because not as many have been killed during the madness?
Violence between fans, players and fans and players is not that uncommon in most sports. Deaths on the other hand is rare, but we are talking about possibly the biggest sport out there. Too many people died in that stadium but considering that millions went to stadiums world wide to watch soccer games over the weekend then you would have to admit this is not a common event and deaths like these are rare.
Hint: The military's probably behind it
But why would the military be behind it? This incident has incited protest in the main square that are calling for the military to surrender power. If I'm trying to control a population, I want to maintain peace and order. Why kick the hornets nest, especially if you are struggling in the first place?
I think the root cause is a bunch of crazy fuckers. If it is more sinister, I would look to those that are trying to take power away from the current administration as the instigator.