How can anyone justify this?
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Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Aliens costs $600M in L.A. County
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01 ... la-county/
Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01 ... la-county/
Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010.
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cause they are still human beings
And if you offer up the 'deport them all' solutions... you have to solve the problems that would be created filling those jobs with illegal, sub-standard pay that would arise. First off... where are you going to get the resources to identify, locate and deport them? How many people do you need to hire to deport them? What is that effort going to cost? Where is the money to pay for this going to come from? What Americans would be willing to fill those jobs... working long shifts, under minimum wage? And would those Americans be collecting the welfare and food stamps to get them to the poverty line? What would the savings be? What would the consequences be? How do you solve those problems?
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Point being... any idiot can point out a problem. Solving it is much tougher.
Hail, Hail!!!
Since there are no longer jobs for illegals most will self deport.
Terrible. I believe in Welfare, unemployment, etc., but this simply is not right. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
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$600 million is a drop in the bucket, I'm afraid.
But you go on with your diverting us with your phony indignation. Let's see how you feel when you have to pay 3 times as much for produce and the gardens in Palm Springs all become dead weeds in 2 months.
"Point being... any idiot can point out a problem. Solving it is much tougher."
Cosmo thats what this train forum is all about "bitching and whining w/no solutions" or in a nicer way of putting it "debating" right ?
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Ahh - the appearance of the apples to aardvarks comparison.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Sounds easy in theory, but not so much in practice...
Illegal immigrants keep business costs down in a lot of industries, thus keeping the cost down to consumers. If we really go balls out in outlawing all hiring of illegals, we better be willing to support the higher costs of goods and services, and be ready for more outsourcing of jobs to parts of the world with much cheaper labor.
It's easy to point out these obvious problems, but one of the reasons that these problems (illegal immigration, "to big to fail" companies, etc) don't get solved, is that there is no good way to prevent the countless dominoes falling afterwards.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
This!
The CEOs belong in jail. They ruined peoples' lives; a jail sentence is justifiable.
As for your comment on produce, you are absolutely correct. Produce across the board - grocery stores, restaurants - would see a spike in prices.
Just personal experience here, but in south florida, there are a ton of Illegals who work for people and there isnt likely a line to a CEO anywhere. They dont work for corporations.
However, I have noticed since the decline in the economy, that many have 'self-deported', so I could see some leaving if their jobs were in jeopardy. But then again, I think they might just work harder at become legitimate citizens.
even small companies, farms, etc (where illegals are employed) are often set up as a corporation. My company has 200 employees and is a corporation - and therefore has a CEO. If it's an LLC, LLP, sole proprietorship, etc - you could then target the President of the company.
But, I'm not saying I agree with doing that.
Personally, I don't have a problem with feeding illegals if they will starve otherwise. I prefer to focus on the human being and not those imaginary boundaries we draw in the sand. It seems that we're not willing to take care of each other so I don't have a problem sending money to the government to feed those people.
As far as sending money to the gov't to feed those people, I agree to a point. I don't have a problem with helping and employing human beings who are simply trying to better their lives either. However, I work and I pay taxes. So should they. Also, they are plenty of American citizens who need these jobs, the problem is though, do they want these jobs?
In The Big One Moore is pleading with Phil Knight - Nike CEO - to open a plant in Flint, MI. As we all know, Nike, the Great American Company, manufactures its highly overrated crap in Asia, not the U.S. Phil Knight said he would love to have plants in the U.S., but he also stated that "Americans don't want these jobs." I get the feeling that he may be correct, but I'm not 100% sure how I feel about that statement.
I very, very, very much agree with this.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
free steak? i would guess you haven't had to support a family with government assistance/welfare.
and what would your solution be? cut out the "government steaks" so the poor would really learn to appreciate being paid peanuts?
like cosmo and blackredyellow said before me this is a very complex problem with no easy solution. the question i ask myself, and i think we should all ask ourselves, is how bad must it be for someone that living on our welfare system is considered the good life?!
There was another thread discussing England's plans for those on welfare/unemployment. I don't know how to paste another thread into this one though.
there is so much tax payer abuse going on due to poor government decisions based upon mis applied notions of political correctness. Shouldn't we at least cut waste and non essential services before we even think about raising taxes?
Here's a start...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1HBN3R.DTL
A great question that I do not have an answer to.
children, indentured servants, etc.
Seriously, if you're (I'm using the "you" pronoun because I'm lazy not because I think YOU are) in the same job market as an illegal immigrant you are a loser of such epic proportions that it's not funny. They don't speak the language and that's a huge negative for many people, but jesus christ, what do they do your job training in? Pantomime? You never see people with even a SEMBLANCE of talent, training, or intelligence that is complaining about losing their job to an illegal immigrant.
their fathers and grandfathers, they just became illegal 160 years ago when the americans moved in.
(i know this is a crude retelling of california history but it's fairly accurate.)
a very eloquent and thoughtful response. :yawn:
Why just CEOs? What about the small business owner? You know, those 'Mom and Pop' operations. You don't think those small farmers are hiring illegals, too? What about those independent restaurants that hire illegals? Don't they belong in prison, too? How about the small companies that operate landscaping services, building maintenence and custodial services that are hiring illegals? Put them in jail, too... right?
So, instead of paying for welfare and food stamps, we'll be paying for prisons.
Hail, Hail!!!
Add... who built the railroads?
What did 'Americans' want to do with them, once the railroads were built?
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And I agree... who fucking WANTS the job an illegal is now doing for minimum wage or less? Wouldn't the turnover rate be humongous? I mean, who wants a career as a Bus Boy? Who seeks a career in grape picking?
Hail, Hail!!!
my almost two year old loves these. got to teach them young!
I believe we should get Mexico and the other Central American countries involved and work towards a humanitarian solution... because I see these workers as people... not animals or insects. And yes... it is a difficult overall issue with complex facets involved and decisions made as solutions will have differing consequences that will create more, possibly greater problems. Not an easy task and way beyond the moronic, 'Deport Them All' proposal. For difficult problems... the simplest answer is typically the wrong answer.
The primary problem with that, it requires compromise. And compromise isn't a part of the discussion, here in America.
Hail, Hail!!!