MG79478 I don't know what happened to you to cause you to be so scared about the rest of society and maybe the world that you feel the need to arm yourself for protection.
I wish that you and all your kind would go and live on a big ranch somewhere or maybe an island. You could build a nice big wall to ensure than no dangerous liberals or their ideas ever came within 100 meters of your compound. All of you could play with your guns every day and talk about your 200 + year old “right” to bear arms to protect yourselves from each other and the government that many of you fear so much.
When i was in the military guns were used guns for two purposes namely Intimidation and killing/wounding. No one I know who returned from Desert Storm (that was still sane) had the slightest interest in owning or playing with guns. Even the guys that were gun-ho before the campaign came back very different and much calmer people. That goes for the UN guys who were in Bosnia and that I know too. The bottom line is that once you're seen what guns can do, and what people with little or no training will do with a gun in their hands, then the inclination to be around guns evaporates.
Guns are not toys for normal men to use to make themselves feel powerful. It is the crack-jobs that think that way.
MG the rest of the democratic free thinking (not fearing) world will continue to evolve and work towards building a better, safer, kinder, more inclusive environment for the next generation and the generation after that too. You are welcome to join us, we would like to help you, but please leave your guns behind as they are not welcome.
Thank you to everyone who participated in this thread, you too MG. And my thoughts and best wishes to the families of those who lost their lives.
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MG79478 I don't know what happened to you to cause you to be so scared about the rest of society and maybe the world that you feel the need to arm yourself for protection.
I wish that you and all your kind would go and live on a big ranch somewhere or maybe an island. You could build a nice big wall to ensure than no dangerous liberals or their ideas ever came within 100 meters of your compound. All of you could play with your guns every day and talk about your 200 + year old “right” to bear arms to protect yourselves from each other and the government that many of you fear so much.
When i was in the military guns were used guns for two purposes namely Intimidation and killing/wounding. No one I know who returned from Desert Storm (that was still sane) had the slightest interest in owning or playing with guns. Even the guys that were gun-ho before the campaign came back very different and much calmer people. That goes for the UN guys who were in Bosnia and that I know too. The bottom line is that once you're seen what guns can do, and what people with little or no training will do with a gun in their hands, then the inclination to be around guns evaporates.
Guns are not toys for normal men to use to make themselves feel powerful. It is the crack-jobs that think that way.
MG the rest of the democratic free thinking (not fearing) world will continue to evolve and work towards building a better, safer, kinder, more inclusive environment for the next generation and the generation after that too. You are welcome to join us, we would like to help you, but please leave your guns behind as they are not welcome.
Thank you to everyone who participated in this thread, you too MG. And my thoughts and best wishes to the families of those who lost their lives.
Exactly, Once you have been around guns long enough and seen what they can to to other humans your need to own and just be around them becomes no existent. Long time ago I was in the military and handle many many guns and now I want nothing to do with them, to show how powerful I can be and live a life in fear, I'll pass.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'll assume this is all garbage as usual. I'm not going to read it, I've read enough of your incoherent rants. Good thing you wasted all that time typing this!
yawn... ignorance is not something that is attached to spelling and grammatical errors on a forum... they are called 'mistakes', not that i've made many but then I'm not writing a paper that is to be subjected to University style scrutiny... but that pompous point kinda highlights the ignorance i was talking about.
But you're getting riled and I can see why. Your posts are spurious and filled with shallow puerile diatribe copied and pasted from a website where men play with guns to make up for their lack of bedroom action and inability to stand up for themselves in a 'real' fight no doubt. I also wouldn't wear a tie to a job interview... I find ties to be constrictive and boring...
You’ve shown plenty of ignorance. Spelling and grammatical errors are just another reason to not take you seriously. You’ve obviously never held any sort of position of responsibility or you would understand that impressions do matter. I was no English major in college; in fact I am pretty bad with spelling and grammar. Yet I seem to be light years ahead of you, simply because I’ve obtained higher education. Everyone thinks that they are smart, so why should you be any different? I don’t blame you for thinking that spelling and grammar don’t matter; it’s a natural defense mechanism.
Out of my many, many posts on this thread point out ohhh lets say 3 spelling mistakes... no, make that 2. I think I might have got Oklahoma wrong, perhaps missed an E of the end of WASTE.
You said "...I also find it funny that you call me ignorant, yet your posts are littered with spelling and grammar errors. You constantly perpetuate this thread after it has been dormant for a while, you have the time to make a good impression, but you don’t have the skill or intelligence."
Littered? I very much doubt that. But it's a nice try... try and appear the erudite and learned man when you're blowing nothing but hot air and nauseating hyperbole out of your blowhole... but it hasn’t worked... again.
hmmmmmm... bit in bold is my question... your answer is in bold italics below it. Now where did I say in my argument that guns were quicker? I didnt... I said they are easier to get... i also said that handgun deaths in one year are more than all the gas and bomb attacks the US has ever suffered combined... so if the latter is such a formidable way of killing and murdering lots of people then why do you all still choose guns?
i'll have you a race right... you take that bat into a crowded mall tomorrow and I'll take a gun... lets see who kills the most the quickest right? you on?
I said it would be quickest in a contest between a gun and a bat. Go back and read the post and stop attempting to pull the wool over my eyes you child. You’re cherry picking comments and skewing them in your mind to fit the argument. Stick with the facts here.
but his point was to kill as many as possible... thats why he tried to reload... don't you see the pattern? All these multiple death massacres are by people using guns... because its the easiest and most effective way of doing it... if it wasnt they'd use that hallowed 'something else' surely?
It is. A gun is the most efficient way to kill someone if you are an individual hell bent on killing people. That’s why stats show that handguns in your country have killed more people than any other violent method. More than gas, more than vans being driven at people and more than knives, bats or anything else.
It might not be the most ‘efficient’ way of doing it if you are in control of an oppressive regime hell bent on a genocide of an entire race of people. Gas might be more efficient then, but you knew what I meant, again you tried to twist it for whatever reason you have to do that?
I do see that you wanted to arbitrarily limit the discussion to the US, but that is ridiculous. Oh, and I forgot, we should ignore history.
Hence, I’m not bowing to your arbitrary and random restraints on the gun debate that help your argument. So when I gave a historical reference for why a gun is not the most efficient way for mass murder, it was completely relevant. So you are wrong… again.
Not wrong again. The thread is about the lax guns laws or the moronic ease of gun availability that allowed a mentally unhinged kid in Arizona to acquire a lethal weapon legally and then shoot a 9-year-old girl in the face. If you want to start a thread about the historical aspect of gun ownership and how it somehow relates to 30’s Germany then feel free to entertain yourself in it with your amazingly putrid monologues.
1. the nazis thing is so incredibly moronic that nobody on here either answers it or gives it any credence...
2. The gun is still the easiest and deadliest way to kill someone... thats why more people have been killed by guns than any other form of murder in the world... ever. So you counter that with one argument when it's not? I also said that the gun was the easiest and most efficient way for SOMEONE to kill others... not an oppressive regime using Zyklon B... or dropping atom bombs on Japan.
as for my music taste... its a well known song for fucks sake... but someone like you on a Pearl Jam forum, now that is ironic.
1) Already addressed #1 above for about the ninth time. I know in your fantasy world that because it invalidates your argument that you think it’s moronic. But here in the real world, that is not the case.
2) That’s a pretty bold statement, because people have been around a long time, and there was murder before guns. Oh, and the fact that a gun has never killed anyone. Sure people have used a gun to kill people, but no gun has ever killed anyone without a human pulling the trigger. As for your claim that you said “SOMEONE”, that was clearly debunked in your quote above, which I will paste for your convenience again. I am actually looking forward to how you spin that the following quote actually has the word “SOMEONE” in it explicitly or implicitly.
but his point was to kill as many as possible... thats why he tried to reload... don't you see the pattern? All these multiple death massacres are by people using guns... because its the easiest and most effective way of doing it... if it wasnt they'd use that hallowed 'something else' surely?
1. It doesn’t invalidate the argument, as it was never part of the argument. Go back and read what I posted and then read the inane drivel you posted after it regarding the Nazis and their gun restrictions.
2. Not really a bold statement. A Geneva Convention study estimated that 740,000 people die a year as a result of a firearm or small arms. That is over and above the deaths in a war zone. That also doesn’t include the millions who died in wars over the years. Guns are used to kill people, the fact a person pulls the trigger is irrelevant. Clearly we’re never going to agree on the basic principle of that people do kill people but the gun is part of the equation. Just as people do clear snow but the shovel is part of the equation.
As for my quote about “someone”, I think you might find I said Loughner, or He or His. Someone singular rather than a collective governmental body that wanted to eradicate an entire race.
It’s extremely ironic that I have my own point of view, and not just Pearl Jam’s. What is it like to be a in their flock of sheep? Maybe I should find some band in some other country half way around the world and hang out on their message board? You should take Paul David's advice and quit, before you embarrass yourself more!
Not bothered about the point of view, I was meaning someone as arrogant and boorish as you actually liking good music. And where the band is from is surely irrelevant or do you think only good white Americans can like good old American bands? Are you showing your nice southern roots with this kind of xenophobic haranguing?
this ain't english class. it's an online forum. get a life.
I can't take anything seriously you say beyond this. You clearly missed the point. It's not about perfect grammar and spelling, it's about making an intelligent impression during an academic debate. When you are trying to persuade others, especially with a radical view point like dunkman, you have to make a good impression. For example, if I were to say:
Me luv Obama, he make's sure every won gets there welfair czech?
I wouldn't be making a very good point. It only came up because he called me ignorant, and I wanted to point out the irony.
the weakest argument I ever see on this forum is people resorting to the "oh, so you have a liberal stance on (insert social issue here), can't you have a differing opinion from Ed, sheep?". Then the name-calling and all that. That shows a real lack of maturity or major holes in your argument. Or both. The only one embarassing themself in this is clearly you. No matter who's right or who's wrong, dunk at least is acting like an adult.
Guess I hit a little too close to home? Again you will notice that he brought it up, just as he started name calling. I don't care what your opinion is, because your mind was made up who you wanted to side with regardless of any other factor.
Well, I will ignore all the assumptions you made and simply focus on one point. I've never heard garbage like this before. I know lots of people who have been on active duty to places like Iraq, etc. They all come back more gung ho about guns, once they see what the rest of the world is like, and want to stop the US from becoming like that.
No one I know who returned from Desert Storm (that was still sane) had the slightest interest in owning or playing with guns. Even the guys that were gun-ho before the campaign came back very different and much calmer people. That goes for the UN guys who were in Bosnia and that I know too. The bottom line is that once you're seen what guns can do, and what people with little or no training will do with a gun in their hands, then the inclination to be around guns evaporates.
I would hope we are not democratic thinking here in the US, since we are not a democracy. I hope your gun free society works out for you, Hitler tried it and it didn't work so well. It's sad that you used this little girls death to advance your agenda. The fantasy world you think we live in doesn't exist, and by ignoring reality, you are the one living in fear.
MG the rest of the democratic free thinking (not fearing) world will continue to evolve and work towards building a better, safer, kinder, more inclusive environment for the next generation and the generation after that too. You are welcome to join us, we would like to help you, but please leave your guns behind as they are not welcome.
again, making comments like this shows exactly what you are here for. trying, and failing, to rile people up and then saying "I'm done with you" therefore thinking you "won" is pathetic beyond any measure.
Guess I hit a little too close to home? Again you will notice that he brought it up, just as he started name calling. I don't care what your opinion is, because your mind was made up who you wanted to side with regardless of any other factor.
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I can't take anything seriously you say beyond this. You clearly missed the point. It's not about perfect grammar and spelling, it's about making an intelligent impression during an academic debate. When you are trying to persuade others, especially with a radical view point like dunkman, you have to make a good impression. For example, if I were to say:
Me luv Obama, he make's sure every won gets there welfair czech?
I wouldn't be making a very good point. It only came up because he called me ignorant, and I wanted to point out the irony.
i didn't make any posts like that you condescending dolt.
As for my radical view point... more control on handguns... that's so radical that I am being investigated by the FBI. I also have at least 4 different Communist factions emailing me for other radical theories i may have.
Your post above only shows you to be an arrogant blowhard with fuck all to actually say.
Also for all your intelligentsia aspirations you clearly have no idea of the meaning of the word 'ignorance'. Or irony for that matter... which is ironic.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I would hope we are not democratic thinking here in the US, since we are not a democracy. I hope your gun free society works out for you, Hitler tried it and it didn't work so well. It's sad that you used this little girls death to advance your agenda. The fantasy world you think we live in doesn't exist, and by ignoring reality, you are the one living in fear.
Fail. It should read little girl's death not little girls death. The apostrophe is vital!
I can't take anything seriously you say beyond this. You clearly missed the point. It's not about perfect grammar and spelling, it's about making an intelligent impression during an academic debate. When you are trying to persuade others, especially with a radical view point like dunkman, you have to make a good impression. For example, if I were to say:
Viewpoint is one word.
Hopefully you can see how inanely tedious that is. You are. I asked you earlier to point out where i have 'littered' this thread with my many, many spelling errors but out of all my posts I can see a possible 2 spelling errors, those were due to speed of typing i.e. missed letter and NOT because I can't spell wurdz. But you ignored that point and tried to act, tried being the word, like some erudite professorial genius. But instead you come across as a supercilious bored office worker.
But if that's all you've got then, as others have noticed, it's laughable. I laugh at you.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Well, I will ignore all the assumptions you made and simply focus on one point. I've never heard garbage like this before. I know lots of people who have been on active duty to places like Iraq, etc. They all come back more gung ho about guns, once they see what the rest of the world is like, and want to stop the US from becoming like that.
No one I know who returned from Desert Storm (that was still sane) had the slightest interest in owning or playing with guns. Even the guys that were gun-ho before the campaign came back very different and much calmer people. That goes for the UN guys who were in Bosnia and that I know too. The bottom line is that once you're seen what guns can do, and what people with little or no training will do with a gun in their hands, then the inclination to be around guns evaporates.
I would hope we are not democratic thinking here in the US, since we are not a democracy. I hope your gun free society works out for you, Hitler tried it and it didn't work so well. It's sad that you used this little girls death to advance your agenda. The fantasy world you think we live in doesn't exist, and by ignoring reality, you are the one living in fear.
MG the rest of the democratic free thinking (not fearing) world will continue to evolve and work towards building a better, safer, kinder, more inclusive environment for the next generation and the generation after that too. You are welcome to join us, we would like to help you, but please leave your guns behind as they are not welcome.
Time for this thread to die.........
There it is again. What the hell is the fascination with Hitler and Nazi Germany - why are you trying to equate the two - move on, the rest of the world has :roll:
Well let it then! Stop trolling after my posts in some vainglorious attempt to prove you are smarter than everyone. You’re not, as you’re last few posts have shown.
If anything I think this thread has shown the need for mental aptitude tests in America if someone wants to own a gun.
I wonder if there should be a tick box next to a question about Hitler?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I'll assume this is all garbage as usual. I'm not going to read it, I've read enough of your incoherent rants. Good thing you wasted all that time typing this!
oh real mature.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I know lots of people who have been on active duty to places like Iraq, etc. They all come back more gung ho about guns, once they see what the rest of the world is like, and want to stop the US from becoming like that.
They dont want to see the U.S. turn into a war torn, occupied territory that is in chaos because of another govt's great idea to take over because of non-existent weapons of mass destruction??!
Sounds like they live in fear. Sounds like fear created by the US govt too.
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I wish that you and all your kind would go and live on a big ranch somewhere or maybe an island. You could build a nice big wall to ensure than no dangerous liberals or their ideas ever came within 100 meters of your compound. All of you could play with your guns every day and talk about your 200 + year old “right” to bear arms to protect yourselves from each other and the government that many of you fear so much.
When i was in the military guns were used guns for two purposes namely Intimidation and killing/wounding. No one I know who returned from Desert Storm (that was still sane) had the slightest interest in owning or playing with guns. Even the guys that were gun-ho before the campaign came back very different and much calmer people. That goes for the UN guys who were in Bosnia and that I know too. The bottom line is that once you're seen what guns can do, and what people with little or no training will do with a gun in their hands, then the inclination to be around guns evaporates.
Guns are not toys for normal men to use to make themselves feel powerful. It is the crack-jobs that think that way.
MG the rest of the democratic free thinking (not fearing) world will continue to evolve and work towards building a better, safer, kinder, more inclusive environment for the next generation and the generation after that too. You are welcome to join us, we would like to help you, but please leave your guns behind as they are not welcome.
Thank you to everyone who participated in this thread, you too MG. And my thoughts and best wishes to the families of those who lost their lives.
Exactly, Once you have been around guns long enough and seen what they can to to other humans your need to own and just be around them becomes no existent. Long time ago I was in the military and handle many many guns and now I want nothing to do with them, to show how powerful I can be and live a life in fear, I'll pass.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I can't take anything seriously you say beyond this. You clearly missed the point. It's not about perfect grammar and spelling, it's about making an intelligent impression during an academic debate. When you are trying to persuade others, especially with a radical view point like dunkman, you have to make a good impression. For example, if I were to say:
Me luv Obama, he make's sure every won gets there welfair czech?
I wouldn't be making a very good point. It only came up because he called me ignorant, and I wanted to point out the irony.
Guess I hit a little too close to home? Again you will notice that he brought it up, just as he started name calling. I don't care what your opinion is, because your mind was made up who you wanted to side with regardless of any other factor.
I would hope we are not democratic thinking here in the US, since we are not a democracy. I hope your gun free society works out for you, Hitler tried it and it didn't work so well. It's sad that you used this little girls death to advance your agenda. The fantasy world you think we live in doesn't exist, and by ignoring reality, you are the one living in fear.
Time for this thread to die.........
I side with issues, not with people.
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i didn't make any posts like that you condescending dolt.
As for my radical view point... more control on handguns... that's so radical that I am being investigated by the FBI. I also have at least 4 different Communist factions emailing me for other radical theories i may have.
Your post above only shows you to be an arrogant blowhard with fuck all to actually say.
Also for all your intelligentsia aspirations you clearly have no idea of the meaning of the word 'ignorance'. Or irony for that matter... which is ironic.
Fail. It should read little girl's death not little girls death. The apostrophe is vital!
Viewpoint is one word.
Hopefully you can see how inanely tedious that is. You are. I asked you earlier to point out where i have 'littered' this thread with my many, many spelling errors but out of all my posts I can see a possible 2 spelling errors, those were due to speed of typing i.e. missed letter and NOT because I can't spell wurdz. But you ignored that point and tried to act, tried being the word, like some erudite professorial genius. But instead you come across as a supercilious bored office worker.
But if that's all you've got then, as others have noticed, it's laughable. I laugh at you.
There it is again. What the hell is the fascination with Hitler and Nazi Germany - why are you trying to equate the two - move on, the rest of the world has :roll:
Well let it then! Stop trolling after my posts in some vainglorious attempt to prove you are smarter than everyone. You’re not, as you’re last few posts have shown.
If anything I think this thread has shown the need for mental aptitude tests in America if someone wants to own a gun.
I wonder if there should be a tick box next to a question about Hitler?
oh real mature.
They dont want to see the U.S. turn into a war torn, occupied territory that is in chaos because of another govt's great idea to take over because of non-existent weapons of mass destruction??!
Sounds like they live in fear. Sounds like fear created by the US govt too.