Kurt Cobain is the greatest musian of all time

BinFrog

Stan is the greatest Musial of all time.

catefrances

Pap wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

There has never really been a musician before of since who has been that huge and killed himself so bluntly and directly. No band or musician really equals the impact at the time of Nirvana and Kurt. No equals at all.

Sorry my friend, but I respectfully disagree. Around the second half of the 1970's, there was a band called Joy Division and a guy named Ian Curtis (the singer of the aforementioned band).

and i respectfully disagree with you. i know both joy division and nirvana, having been there both times and id like to see you explain your thinking that ian curtis was at the time of his death as big as kurt cobain and that joy division were as huge as nirvana were at the time of curtis's death. ill admit imo closer is pretty much a perfect album and no doubt it would have catapulted joy division higher than ian would have been comfortable with had he lived, but at the time of his death no way was joy division in the same position as nirvana were at the time of kurts death.

Pearl Drummer

I still dont think he killed himself....

U R A Crazy Breed

Pearl Drummer wrote:

I still dont think he killed himself....

+1

Pap

catefrances wrote:

No way was joy division in the same position as nirvana were at the time of kurts death.

Probably, you misunderstood because I never implied anything like this. I just said that there was also another famous person who committed suicide while he was at the top point of his career.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

please educate yourself on mental illness.

Indifference71 wrote:

The only thing I think of with Cobain is the fact that he was a coward who killed himself and left a wife and daughter behind.

Horos

sawyerjam wrote:

Everybody has an opinion on polls like this. When I hear greatest musician, I assume that means a musician with a great deal of technical ability. So I wouldn't have Kurt, John or Paul on the list. Any 12 year old can play the Nirvana Catalogue on guitar. Kurt made a living by ripping off The Pixies, and he would be the first person to tell you. George Martin(The 5th Beatle) had as much to do with The Beatles sound as anybody. The Beatles didn't even play any of their complex songs live(or anything live after 1966). We all have our favorites. The Beatles were great songwriters and The White Album is one of my favorite albums. Great musicians like Miles Davis and Bela Fleck would cry reading this thread.

Paul is a fabulous musician. Stuart Suttcliffe is the 5th Beatle(if not then Pete Best).

Kurt is hugely over-rated.

Only a bunch of bleeding heart Pearl Jam fans would find an excuse for his suicide. Plenty of people suffer from mental illness and depression, they don't all chose to be drug addicted pussies and take the easy way out. All I can attest to is Kurt will be remembered as one of the biggest douche bags ever. Maybe if I was an immature adolescent I would put him on a pedestal. The rest of the real world will always remember him as the druggie that abandoned his family.

Pearl Drummer

Horos wrote:

sawyerjam wrote:

Everybody has an opinion on polls like this. When I hear greatest musician, I assume that means a musician with a great deal of technical ability. So I wouldn't have Kurt, John or Paul on the list. Any 12 year old can play the Nirvana Catalogue on guitar. Kurt made a living by ripping off The Pixies, and he would be the first person to tell you. George Martin(The 5th Beatle) had as much to do with The Beatles sound as anybody. The Beatles didn't even play any of their complex songs live(or anything live after 1966). We all have our favorites. The Beatles were great songwriters and The White Album is one of my favorite albums. Great musicians like Miles Davis and Bela Fleck would cry reading this thread.

Paul is a fabulous musician. Stuart Suttcliffe is the 5th Beatle(if not then Pete Best).

Kurt is hugely over-rated.

Only a bunch of bleeding heart Pearl Jam fans would find an excuse for his suicide. Plenty of people suffer from mental illness and depression, they don't all chose to be drug addicted pussies and take the easy way out. All I can attest to is Kurt will be remembered as one of the biggest douche bags ever. Maybe if I was an immature adolescent I would put him on a pedestal. The rest of the real world will always remember him as the druggie that abandoned his family.

And it really pisses me off when i see top 100 guitar players in history and kurt cobain is number 11!!???!!??
What the fuck is that? last time i checked kurt cobain was NOT better than jeff beck or steve vai....

Indifference71

Paul David wrote:

please educate yourself on mental illness.

Indifference71 wrote:

The only thing I think of with Cobain is the fact that he was a coward who killed himself and left a wife and daughter behind.

Sure, I'll get right on that.

I wasn't trying to start a big debate or anything. That's just my opinion. I just don't see how people can defend a guy who took his own life and left a wife and baby daughter behind. But, that's just me.

PilateOfTheStorm

Horos wrote:

Only a bunch of bleeding heart Pearl Jam fans would find an excuse for his suicide. Plenty of people suffer from mental illness and depression, they don't all chose to be drug addicted pussies and take the easy way out. All I can attest to is Kurt will be remembered as one of the biggest douche bags ever. Maybe if I was an immature adolescent I would put him on a pedestal. The rest of the real world will always remember him as the druggie that abandoned his family.

I have to disagree with you.
Just because people kill themselves, they shouldn't be seen as abandoning people or being a coward. They just made a choice and I don't think that anyone can judge Kurt because of it, as no one knows how he was feeling at the time and most people wouldn't have understood him. He obviously was suffering by that point and felt alone or wanted to end his life for whatever reason. Suicide isn't an "easy way out", it takes guts and this may sound wierd, but courage. It's sad and frustrating that people choose to kill themselves, but their lives shouldn't be written off just because of it.
To take drugs is a choice but to become ADDICTED isn't. No one wants that so to say that he was a "drug addicted pussy" is pretty ignorant imo.



Sorry don't want to have a rant or look aggressive, but I can't stand it when people say suicide is an easy option. And when it comes to people who you don't even know, really none of us can say much or judge it can we?

Back to topic: Nirvana and Kurt Cobain's musicianship shouldn't be judged by how you feel about Kurt's suicide.

Everytime someone mentions Kurt Cobain or Nirvana, everyone seems to focus on his death and no one just thinks about the music, about what really matters.
okay, rant over
sorry

PilateOfTheStorm

Indifference71 wrote:

Paul David wrote:

please educate yourself on mental illness.

Indifference71 wrote:

The only thing I think of with Cobain is the fact that he was a coward who killed himself and left a wife and daughter behind.

Sure, I'll get right on that.

I wasn't trying to start a big debate or anything. That's just my opinion. I just don't see how people can defend a guy who took his own life and left a wife and baby daughter behind. But, that's just me.

Saying that Kurt was a good musician isn't the same as defending his suicide.
The two things are completely separate

woah, i feel so aggressive when i type stuff like that
so i'll add this >
to make it less serious

Grunge100

Horos wrote:

sawyerjam wrote:

Everybody has an opinion on polls like this. When I hear greatest musician, I assume that means a musician with a great deal of technical ability. So I wouldn't have Kurt, John or Paul on the list. Any 12 year old can play the Nirvana Catalogue on guitar. Kurt made a living by ripping off The Pixies, and he would be the first person to tell you. George Martin(The 5th Beatle) had as much to do with The Beatles sound as anybody. The Beatles didn't even play any of their complex songs live(or anything live after 1966). We all have our favorites. The Beatles were great songwriters and The White Album is one of my favorite albums. Great musicians like Miles Davis and Bela Fleck would cry reading this thread.

Paul is a fabulous musician. Stuart Suttcliffe is the 5th Beatle(if not then Pete Best).

Kurt is hugely over-rated.

Only a bunch of bleeding heart Pearl Jam fans would find an excuse for his suicide. Plenty of people suffer from mental illness and depression, they don't all chose to be drug addicted pussies and take the easy way out. All I can attest to is Kurt will be remembered as one of the biggest douche bags ever. Maybe if I was an immature adolescent I would put him on a pedestal. The rest of the real world will always remember him as the druggie that abandoned his family.

Wow. I think your are a little mixed up. Have you ever heard of compassion?
Cobain is in no way a GREAT musician, but he was pretty good. His death, while tragic, made him an everlasting star like Morrison, and Hendrix.
Lets let the guy RIP.

Cheers

Loulou

Lets face it, whether it be Kurt or Ian, the fact they killed themselves doesn't have anything to do with them being good or not. Neither of them would exist if it wasn't for musicians like The Beatles or Elvis. Mind you, they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for people like Leadbelly and Robert Johnson so I think music goes a hell of alot further back then Kurt and Ian.
My Mother used to be a grief councellor for families of those people who suicided and without going into it too much, there are alot of factors to be considered, it's not just cut and dry. Many of those people are not thinking straight, have physical problems and/or are wrought with depression. I mean look at Kurt, he had awful stomach ulcers that plagued him everyday and Ian had epilepsy (something I have also) which he was embarrased of and feared. So it's never black and white and noone should judge unless they've walked a mile in their shoes.

Johnny Abruzzo

catefrances wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

You're paraphrasing me. I said much of his material was mediocre; not that he was mediocre as a musician (or a musian ). Seriously: Kiss Kiss Molly's Lips... :roll: ...

just so you know kurt didnt even write mollys lips. its a vaselines song. if youre gonna bag him for his songwriting as least bag him for a song he actually wrote. :roll:

Fine, sue me. I'm done with this thread. People go crazy about this topic.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

hmmm.....stating someone is a coward because they have a mental illness and took their own life and you "didn't want to start a big debate". :roll:

if you don't understand mental illness, fine, but then you don't have the right to judge someone on it.

Indifference71 wrote:

Paul David wrote:

please educate yourself on mental illness.

Indifference71 wrote:

The only thing I think of with Cobain is the fact that he was a coward who killed himself and left a wife and daughter behind.

Sure, I'll get right on that.

I wasn't trying to start a big debate or anything. That's just my opinion. I just don't see how people can defend a guy who took his own life and left a wife and baby daughter behind. But, that's just me.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Horos wrote:

Only a bunch of bleeding heart Pearl Jam fans would find an excuse for his suicide. Plenty of people suffer from mental illness and depression, they don't all chose to be drug addicted pussies and take the easy way out. All I can attest to is Kurt will be remembered as one of the biggest douche bags ever. Maybe if I was an immature adolescent I would put him on a pedestal. The rest of the real world will always remember him as the druggie that abandoned his family.

actually, most of the world remembers him the same as every other story that ends in suicide: tragic. not anger. I put him on a pedestal because of his songwriting, not because he was some sort of martyr for my teenage disaffection.

yes, plenty of people suffer from depression. not all choose to be drug addicted. but not all people choose to get stomach illnesses that cause them to suffer from pain so intense he had no other choice but to self-medicate. doctors took a long time in diagnosing and treating the problem. unfortunately, they took too long.

judge much? jesus.

catefrances

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

You're paraphrasing me. I said much of his material was mediocre; not that he was mediocre as a musician (or a musian ). Seriously: Kiss Kiss Molly's Lips... :roll: ...

just so you know kurt didnt even write mollys lips. its a vaselines song. if youre gonna bag him for his songwriting as least bag him for a song he actually wrote. :roll:

Fine, sue me. I'm done with this thread. People go crazy about this topic.

dont be like that.

you cited a song cobain didnt write as an example of his alleged crapola songwriting skills. all i did was point out that cobain didnt write it and suggested next time go afer afer him for a song he did write. imagine if someone accused vedder of writing such a shitty song as last kiss. theyd get jumped on for being ill informed and most likely be thrown out of the 10club.

intodeep

Yeah he makes that miles davis guy look like a chump

Johnny Abruzzo

catefrances wrote:

dont be like that.

you cited a song cobain didnt write as an example of his alleged crapola songwriting skills. all i did was point out that cobain didnt write it and suggested next time go afer afer him for a song he did write. imagine if someone accused vedder of writing such a shitty song as last kiss. theyd get jumped on for being ill informed and most likely be thrown out of the 10club.

Wait, Eddie didn't write that song???

It's all good. I'll brush up on my Nirvana history this weekend.

AzWicker

I enjoyed Nirvana when they came out and I still will listen to them when they come on the radio however, I rarely play their CD's.

As far a being a musician, isn't he self proclaimed crappy guitar player and who usually spent the 5-10 minutes before the take writing the actual lyrics for the song?

I mean, he had excellent timing and the chord progression and how it resolves (or doesn't resolve pretty cool) but he is not what I think of as a good musician, maybe his voice of his generation at a time that needed one.

As long as there was Hendrix or Lennon or a Gilmour/Waters... I think not.

I still turn his songs up when they come on the radio.