Since the Palestinian people survive solely on money from Israel, the US, and a few oil-rich Arab states that have adopted their helpless crazy asses, how do you suppose the proposed state of "Palestine" would support itself once granted sovereignty? Lets make that barren shithole of a rock into a "real country" and then what? They gonna export burned US flags? What's the stock price on HATE today?
No, Israel and America will still have to put food in little Palestinian mouths, so they can live long enough to be taught to say," Death to Israel! Death to America!!" What pride can a Palestinian man feel, hanging out on the street all day, bitching and complaining- waiting on their mortal enemies to bring some money and food over. Pathetic civilization, thousands of years of underachievement. But look at Israel, they thrive...
Let me point out a bit of historical complexity for you. You reduce the reasons for the conflict to the Israeli occupation, and suggest that if the occupation ended the conflict would end with it. The occupation began following the Six Day War in 1967. But Palestinian terrorism against Israel, carried out by the Palestine Liberation Organization, began in 1964. Isn't that strange?! How could it be that the Palestinians were trying to liberate the occupied territories three years before there was an occupation?! Because they were trying to "liberate" Israel from the Israelis, or in other words, get rid of Israel.
Palestinian resistance goes back a lot further than 1967. The Palestinians rightfully resisted the unfairly proportioned carve-up of their land by the U.N Partition Plan in 1947.
Michael Neumann:'Zionism always was, despite strategically motivated denials and brief flirtations with other objectives [e.g., bi-nationalism], an attempt to establish Jewish sovereignty over Palestine. This project was illegitimate. Neither history nor religion, nor the sufferings of Jews in the Nazi era, sufficed to justify it. It posed a mortal threat to the Palestinians, and it left no room for meaningful compromise. Given that the Palestinians had no way to overcome Zionism peacefully, it also justified some form of violent resistance.'
That was one period of resistance. Another period of resistanc followed the 1967 war and the beginning of the settlement project.
http://www.swans.com/library/art11/ga201.html
'The outcome could have been quite different. In the wake of the Six-Day War, the Palestinians hoped for an independent state and regarded the Israeli victory as a means to free themselves from Jordanian rule. This is not a well-known historical fact, but Neumann documents that for a short flimsy period the Palestinians felt that the Israelis were their liberators. The Palestinians let the Israelis know that they were ready to negotiate an immediate settlement to establish their own sovereign state alongside Israel. Their calls were not answered or, to put it slightly differently, the answer was loud and clear. Israel annexed East Jerusalem and started its settlement policy. It's worth quoting a citation from a speech by Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan:
"This is what used to be called 'Jew after Jew'... It meant expansion, more Jews, more villages, more settlements. Twenty years ago we were 600,000; today we are near three million. There should be no Jew who says 'that's enough,' no one who says 'we are nearing the end of the road.' ...It is the same with the land. ...there will be complaints against you if you come and say: 'up to here.' Your duty is to not stop; it is to keep your sword unsheathed, to have faith, to keep the flag flying. You must not call a halt - heaven forbid - and say 'that's all; up there, up to Degania, to Musfallasim, to Nabal Oz!' For that is not all."
That is exactly my point, that the occupation of the West Bank is not the original cause of Palestinian violence, and that there is therefore reason to believe that ending the occupation (which, again, should happen as soon as possible) will not end Palestinian attacks against Israelis.
An example from today's Haaretz. You'll notice that he actually spells out the borders of the Palestine that he wants to liberate (highlighted), and he's very clearly talking about all of Israel, not just the West Bank. For those that don't know Rafah is at the southern tip of Gaza, and Naqoora is in South Lebanon:
Hamas leader in Gaza vows group will never recognize Israel
At rally marking 23 years since founding of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh says 'Hamas will be the faithful guard of the Palestinian people's rights and the basic Palestinian principles.'
Hamas will never recognize Israel, Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh said Tuesday at a rally to mark the 23rd anniversary of the militant group's founding.
"We say it with confidence as we said it five years ago when we formed our government, and we say it today: We will never recognize Israel," Haniyeh told a crowd in Gaza City numbering tens of thousands.
A poster at the rally featured photographs of Hamas leaders assassinated by Israel in the last 10 years.
"Hamas will be the faithful guard of the Palestinian people's rights and the basic Palestinian principles," Haniyeh continued.
"We say today that there will be no occupation of the land of Palestine and then we can say there is no future for the occupation on our land. I mean from the sea to the river and from Rafah up to Naqoora."
The rally featured a scale model of Jerusalem's al-Aqsa Mosque under a slogan proclaiming that "We Remain Committed to the Covenant."
Hundreds of teenagers and children, wearing off-white uniforms and green caps, marched through Gaza City, whilst Hamas officials handed out chocolates and candy with a card saying it came from "Hamas with love."
Hamas leaders and activists spent around two weeks preparing for the rally. Smaller gatherings were held all over the Gaza Strip last week.
"This year the rally is different from previous rallies. We want to send a message to the world and to the Zionist enemy that Hamas movement is a powerful Islamic Palestinian movement which can never be uprooted," a rally organizer, who gave his name as Abu Hamza, said.
Hamas was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in Gaza on December 14, 1987, several days after the first Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, broke out against Israel.
Yassin was assassinated by Israel in March 2004.
In 2006 the movement participated in the Palestinian legislative elections and emerged triumphant, defeating President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, which until then had been the natural party of Palestinian government.
The US and western countries placed Hamas under a diplomatic boycott because of its refusal to renounce violence, honor past Israeli-Palestinian agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
Fierce internecine fighting in June 2007, between Hamas and Fatah in the Gaza Strip, saw the Islamist movement rout security officials loyal to Abbas and the Palestinian Authority and seize control of the territory, and cause Gaza and the Fatah-run West Bank to be divided politically as well as geographically.
Attempts to reconcile the two movements have so far failed.
A Hamas communique distributed at the rally stressed that "armed resistance is a legal right for the Palestinian people and we will never abandon this legal right until all our land and all our holy sites are liberated. We will never recognize what is called Israel."
However, some Hamas leaders have said that while they will not recognize Israel, they are prepared to accept a temporary solution based on establishing an independent Palestinian state on the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, with East Jerusalem as its capital and without settlements.
you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane
Since the Palestinian people survive solely on money from Israel, the US, and a few oil-rich Arab states that have adopted their helpless crazy asses, how do you suppose the proposed state of "Palestine" would support itself once granted sovereignty? Lets make that barren shithole of a rock into a "real country" and then what? They gonna export burned US flags? What's the stock price on HATE today?
No, Israel and America will still have to put food in little Palestinian mouths, so they can live long enough to be taught to say," Death to Israel! Death to America!!" What pride can a Palestinian man feel, hanging out on the street all day, bitching and complaining- waiting on their mortal enemies to bring some money and food over. Pathetic civilization, thousands of years of underachievement. But look at Israel, they thrive...
Israel is a profitable investment.
"Palestine" is a perpetual welfare state.
i could say plenty to this but you're just not worth it.
you're just here to make trouble. you're not interested in debating in a reasonable manner.
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i read that 3 south american countries just last week recognized a palestinian state. why can't the us?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You ARE the resident authority on shit-slinging, so I value your opinion..... :lolno:
No, Israel and America will still have to put food in little Palestinian mouths, so they can live long enough to be taught to say," Death to Israel! Death to America!!" What pride can a Palestinian man feel, hanging out on the street all day, bitching and complaining- waiting on their mortal enemies to bring some money and food over. Pathetic civilization, thousands of years of underachievement. But look at Israel, they thrive...
Israel is a profitable investment.
"Palestine" is a perpetual welfare state.
That is exactly my point, that the occupation of the West Bank is not the original cause of Palestinian violence, and that there is therefore reason to believe that ending the occupation (which, again, should happen as soon as possible) will not end Palestinian attacks against Israelis.
An example from today's Haaretz. You'll notice that he actually spells out the borders of the Palestine that he wants to liberate (highlighted), and he's very clearly talking about all of Israel, not just the West Bank. For those that don't know Rafah is at the southern tip of Gaza, and Naqoora is in South Lebanon:
Hamas leader in Gaza vows group will never recognize Israel
At rally marking 23 years since founding of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh says 'Hamas will be the faithful guard of the Palestinian people's rights and the basic Palestinian principles.'
Hamas will never recognize Israel, Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh said Tuesday at a rally to mark the 23rd anniversary of the militant group's founding.
"We say it with confidence as we said it five years ago when we formed our government, and we say it today: We will never recognize Israel," Haniyeh told a crowd in Gaza City numbering tens of thousands.
A poster at the rally featured photographs of Hamas leaders assassinated by Israel in the last 10 years.
"Hamas will be the faithful guard of the Palestinian people's rights and the basic Palestinian principles," Haniyeh continued.
"We say today that there will be no occupation of the land of Palestine and then we can say there is no future for the occupation on our land. I mean from the sea to the river and from Rafah up to Naqoora."
The rally featured a scale model of Jerusalem's al-Aqsa Mosque under a slogan proclaiming that "We Remain Committed to the Covenant."
Hundreds of teenagers and children, wearing off-white uniforms and green caps, marched through Gaza City, whilst Hamas officials handed out chocolates and candy with a card saying it came from "Hamas with love."
Hamas leaders and activists spent around two weeks preparing for the rally. Smaller gatherings were held all over the Gaza Strip last week.
"This year the rally is different from previous rallies. We want to send a message to the world and to the Zionist enemy that Hamas movement is a powerful Islamic Palestinian movement which can never be uprooted," a rally organizer, who gave his name as Abu Hamza, said.
Hamas was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in Gaza on December 14, 1987, several days after the first Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, broke out against Israel.
Yassin was assassinated by Israel in March 2004.
In 2006 the movement participated in the Palestinian legislative elections and emerged triumphant, defeating President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party, which until then had been the natural party of Palestinian government.
The US and western countries placed Hamas under a diplomatic boycott because of its refusal to renounce violence, honor past Israeli-Palestinian agreements, and recognize Israel's right to exist.
Fierce internecine fighting in June 2007, between Hamas and Fatah in the Gaza Strip, saw the Islamist movement rout security officials loyal to Abbas and the Palestinian Authority and seize control of the territory, and cause Gaza and the Fatah-run West Bank to be divided politically as well as geographically.
Attempts to reconcile the two movements have so far failed.
A Hamas communique distributed at the rally stressed that "armed resistance is a legal right for the Palestinian people and we will never abandon this legal right until all our land and all our holy sites are liberated. We will never recognize what is called Israel."
However, some Hamas leaders have said that while they will not recognize Israel, they are prepared to accept a temporary solution based on establishing an independent Palestinian state on the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, with East Jerusalem as its capital and without settlements.
i could say plenty to this but you're just not worth it.
you're just here to make trouble. you're not interested in debating in a reasonable manner.
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