Poll: Slim majority supports DREAM Act
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Godfather. wrote:tonifig8 wrote:Godfather. wrote:there is much more to it-I ain't buying it.
too many words like maybe unlikely likely and probably, even in this article it shows long term problems with welfare and unemployment, if these people want to be US citizens they need to do it the right way and stop acting and talking like the US owes them anything,just because a person enters illegally and works does not mean we the tax payers owe them a thing.
Godfather.
What are you talking about?
there is much more to it? Really, what?
this is about a specific group of people - who would serve in the military or contribute to society by earning a college degree. They would be paying for school or risking their life's for our country- what is so difficult to understand?
I don't think I need to tell you that, read it carefully and think about it....it's disaster in the making.
Godfather.
I don't even know why I waste my time. You always have comments, but never have facts.0 -
I quit reading right there, skipped to your link, and saw that your source was the Federal Gov't.tonifig8 wrote:take a minute to read.The DREAM Act—a popular proposal
Next....0 -
Best of Times wrote:
I quit reading right there, skipped to your link, and saw that your source was the Federal Gov't.tonifig8 wrote:take a minute to read.The DREAM Act—a popular proposal
Next....
why don't you give us some real facts and real solutions?0 -
Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other military leaders support the bill as a way to increase their ranks. It also has the support of most Americans - 70 percent according to a summer poll. Since it is unrealistic to expect that the United States will deport the estimated 800,000 children who would be eligible under the act, the bill would benefit the country by giving them a better chance to become productive citizens.0
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ok, since you asked....
BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!! Think of the jobs it would create...
Then, AFTER the borders are secured, we'll talk citizenship.
But saying "Hey, we got free college for any Mexican that wants to stroll up here- Paid for in full by a working American!!"- that is unacceptable w/ open borders.
You think we've got a problem w/ illegals now?? Pass the KeepDreamin' Act and see what happens...holy shit.0 -
Best of Times wrote:ok, since you asked....
BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!! Think of the jobs it would create...
Then, AFTER the borders are secured, we'll talk citizenship.
But saying "Hey, we got free college for any Mexican that wants to stroll up here- Paid for in full by a working American!!"- that is unacceptable w/ open borders.
You think we've got a problem w/ illegals now?? Pass the KeepDreamin' Act and see what happens...holy shit.
I thought they tried the wall? Yeah, secure the boarders- I am 100% for that too- I think everyone is for that!
This isn't only about Mexican's and this isn't about free college paid for by working American's -
Do you have any real facts? Do you have any real solutions?0 -
It's also about keeping out Muslim terrorists.
A few phone numbers where you can let certain Senators know how you feel about this Shamnesty Bill:
SEN. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON 202-224-5922; 214-361-3500
SEN. SCOTT BROWN 202-224-4543
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN 202-224-2235; 480-897-6289
SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE 202-224-5344; 207-874-0883
SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI 202-224-6665; 907-271-3735
SEN. SUSAN COLLINS 202-224-2523; 207-945-0417
SEN. SAM BROWNBACK 202-224-6521; 785-233-2503
While you’re at it, you might want to put in a special phone call to retiring open-borders Utah GOP Sen. Bob Bennett (good riddance) and ask him to name names of the Republicans who support massive, costly illegal alien amnesties that undermine immigration enforcement and put law-breaking workers and students ahead of law-abiding ones.-M.M. (Not Michael Moore)0 -
Best of Times wrote:It's also about keeping out Muslim terrorists.
A few phone numbers where you can let certain Senators know how you feel about this Shamnesty Bill:
SEN. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON 202-224-5922; 214-361-3500
SEN. SCOTT BROWN 202-224-4543
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN 202-224-2235; 480-897-6289
SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE 202-224-5344; 207-874-0883
SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI 202-224-6665; 907-271-3735
SEN. SUSAN COLLINS 202-224-2523; 207-945-0417
SEN. SAM BROWNBACK 202-224-6521; 785-233-2503
While you’re at it, you might want to put in a special phone call to retiring open-borders Utah GOP Sen. Bob Bennett (good riddance) and ask him to name names of the Republicans who support massive, costly illegal alien amnesties that undermine immigration enforcement and put law-breaking workers and students ahead of law-abiding ones.-M.M. (Not Michael Moore)
What are you talking about? You can't provide facts or real solutions.
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tonifig8 wrote:Best of Times wrote:ok, since you asked....
BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!! Think of the jobs it would create...
Then, AFTER the borders are secured, we'll talk citizenship.
But saying "Hey, we got free college for any Mexican that wants to stroll up here- Paid for in full by a working American!!"- that is unacceptable w/ open borders.
You think we've got a problem w/ illegals now?? Pass the KeepDreamin' Act and see what happens...holy shit.
I thought they tried the wall? Yeah, secure the boarders- I am 100% for that too- I think everyone is for that!
This isn't only about Mexican's and this isn't about free college paid for by working American's -
Do you have any real facts? Do you have any real solutions?
why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Norteamericanos son cansados de es mierda en extranjeros de compra que vienen a nuestro país y la ciudadanía y al bienestar exigente o los trabajos, si una persona viene aquí ilegalmente deben ser enviados inmediatamente a su propio país por mucho que largo hayan estado aquí.
Godfather.0 -
Godfather. wrote:tonifig8 wrote:Best of Times wrote:ok, since you asked....
BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!! Think of the jobs it would create...
Then, AFTER the borders are secured, we'll talk citizenship.
But saying "Hey, we got free college for any Mexican that wants to stroll up here- Paid for in full by a working American!!"- that is unacceptable w/ open borders.
You think we've got a problem w/ illegals now?? Pass the KeepDreamin' Act and see what happens...holy shit.
I thought they tried the wall? Yeah, secure the boarders- I am 100% for that too- I think everyone is for that!
This isn't only about Mexican's and this isn't about free college paid for by working American's -
Do you have any real facts? Do you have any real solutions?
why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Norteamericanos son cansados de es mierda en extranjeros de compra que vienen a nuestro país y la ciudadanía y al bienestar exigente o los trabajos, si una persona viene aquí ilegalmente deben ser enviados inmediatamente a su propio país por mucho que largo hayan estado aquí.
Godfather.
You ARE the Godfather.0 -
I'm guessing that a 4 year tour in the marines will get them to change to our culture.Godfather. wrote:why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Godfather. And from a financial and educational standpoint, military service will be the path that most choose. I don't have stats, but my eyeballs tell me that a culture that favors hard work over high education, combined with financial difficulties, will take the route that pays you to become a citizen, even though they are taking a chance they could be killed or hurt to fight for our freedom.
At this point, the DREAM act appears to be the best compromise I've seen on the issue (i know, there that dirty word "compromise" is again). I'm usually in favor of tougher immigration enforcement, bigger walls, etc, but none of those measures work and there is fierce opposition that will not allow them to work.
I'm not going to fully endorse it without reading through the fine details, but it is the best proposal I've seen that can benefit both sides of the aisle and I think it benefits our country and is easier to enact then proposal 1 (let everyone in!) and proposal 2 (kick everyone out!). If someone is able to show a serious commitment to improve themselves or fight for our freedom, I would much rather share the sidewalks with them versus the drop-outs and bums.
And if this act passes and an individual feels they don't want to go to college or serve in the military, there will be no pity from me if they are deported.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:
I'm guessing that a 4 year tour in the marines will get them to change to our culture.Godfather. wrote:why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Godfather. And from a financial and educational standpoint, military service will be the path that most choose. I don't have stats, but my eyeballs tell me that a culture that favors hard work over high education, combined with financial difficulties, will take the route that pays you to become a citizen, even though they are taking a chance they could be killed or hurt to fight for our freedom.
At this point, the DREAM act appears to be the best compromise I've seen on the issue (i know, there that dirty word "compromise" is again). I'm usually in favor of tougher immigration enforcement, bigger walls, etc, but none of those measures work and there is fierce opposition that will not allow them to work.
I'm not going to fully endorse it without reading through the fine details, but it is the best proposal I've seen that can benefit both sides of the aisle and I think it benefits our country and is easier to enact then proposal 1 (let everyone in!) and proposal 2 (kick everyone out!). If someone is able to show a serious commitment to improve themselves or fight for our freedom, I would much rather share the sidewalks with them versus the drop-outs and bums.
And if this act passes and an individual feels they don't want to go to college or serve in the military, there will be no pity from me if they are deported.
3 years in the military for citizenship...nahhhhh, I was just watching a documentary on gangs in the military and they join to go back to their gangs and teach them to become will trained killers on our streets,yeah just what we need.
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But without the program, they will already be on the streets and they will get a three year head start on becoming a trained killer since the gang trainers are already at work.Godfather. wrote:
3 years in the military for citizenship...nahhhhh, I was just watching a documentary on gangs in the military and they join to go back to their gangs and teach them to become will trained killers on our streets,yeah just what we need.
Godfather.
At least Uncle Sam will get three years of productive service before they continue to rape and pillage by that logic. Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:
I'm guessing that a 4 year tour in the marines will get them to change to our culture.Godfather. wrote:why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Godfather. And from a financial and educational standpoint, military service will be the path that most choose. I don't have stats, but my eyeballs tell me that a culture that favors hard work over high education, combined with financial difficulties, will take the route that pays you to become a citizen, even though they are taking a chance they could be killed or hurt to fight for our freedom.
At this point, the DREAM act appears to be the best compromise I've seen on the issue (i know, there that dirty word "compromise" is again). I'm usually in favor of tougher immigration enforcement, bigger walls, etc, but none of those measures work and there is fierce opposition that will not allow them to work.
I'm not going to fully endorse it without reading through the fine details, but it is the best proposal I've seen that can benefit both sides of the aisle and I think it benefits our country and is easier to enact then proposal 1 (let everyone in!) and proposal 2 (kick everyone out!). If someone is able to show a serious commitment to improve themselves or fight for our freedom, I would much rather share the sidewalks with them versus the drop-outs and bums.
And if this act passes and an individual feels they don't want to go to college or serve in the military, there will be no pity from me if they are deported.
Seems like this is common sense- And also seems like some kind of positive solution.
Most of the specific people who would benefit from this bill, would probably already share the basic American culture, because they were pretty much raised in the US. It's not like they came here by choice- These kids watch the same cartoons your kids would, and probably share the same interest as their peers; the military or school would just give them more pride to be a productive citizen.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Tonifig8,
Are you for or against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Are you for or against US troops stationed in military bases around the entire world?0 -
Godfather. wrote:tonifig8 wrote:Best of Times wrote:ok, since you asked....
BUILD A FUCKING WALL!!!!!! Think of the jobs it would create...
Then, AFTER the borders are secured, we'll talk citizenship.
But saying "Hey, we got free college for any Mexican that wants to stroll up here- Paid for in full by a working American!!"- that is unacceptable w/ open borders.
You think we've got a problem w/ illegals now?? Pass the KeepDreamin' Act and see what happens...holy shit.
I thought they tried the wall? Yeah, secure the boarders- I am 100% for that too- I think everyone is for that!
This isn't only about Mexican's and this isn't about free college paid for by working American's -
Do you have any real facts? Do you have any real solutions?
why do we have to accept ANY illegal immigrant and have to explain to you or anyone else why not ?
these facts you keep asking for are simple, anchor baby's..more and more people will come over here have a baby or babys to get citizenship for their children....bullshit ! instead of trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change ours.
Norteamericanos son cansados de es mierda en extranjeros de compra que vienen a nuestro país y la ciudadanía y al bienestar exigente o los trabajos, si una persona viene aquí ilegalmente deben ser enviados inmediatamente a su propio país por mucho que largo hayan estado aquí.
Godfather.
You don't have to explain anything to me- But I thought this was a form where we debated positions and real facts. This seems like you want it to be about ideology rather then solutions.
Anchor babies are not supported in the bill- There are specifics on that- But what's the point you don't really care about those who are here and the real impact to our society- You rather being ignorant and think that you can simply starve these people out of here. Do you not understand that the majority of the people affected by the bill are people who know nothing outside of the United States? Some of these people didn't even realize that they weren't US citizens until they graduated from High School. I don't think that's their fault and they shouldn't just be shipped out when they can be beneficial to our country. Sure their might be some screw ups in the bunch, but they aren't suppose to be honored with Citizenship until they have proven the character- So I don't think they'll simply allow gang members to become citizens.
Our country is suppose to be secure and it's suppose to monitor the boarders and not allow people in- that is a different issue not related to the Dream Act. Here we are talking about specifics.
Who are you talking about when you say,
. I am a US Citizen and I am trying to change this countries laws- Do I not have a right? I am supporting this because it seems to be beneficial to our society.trying to change our country to suit them why don't they try fixing their own country's as hard as they try to change oursNorteamericanos son cansados de es mierda en extranjeros de compra que vienen a nuestro país y la ciudadanía y al bienestar exigente o los trabajos, si una persona viene aquí ilegalmente deben ser enviados inmediatamente a su propio país por mucho que largo hayan estado aquí.
What's this?
I don't even know why this issue is being discussed - we all know it wont pass- Especially with so many people like you out there who feel their culture is being threaten........
Who wants real solutions anyways-0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487unsung wrote:Tonifig8,
Are you for or against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Are you for or against US troops stationed in military bases around the entire world?
I'm still looking for an answer please.0 -
unsung wrote:Tonifig8,
Are you for or against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Are you for or against US troops stationed in military bases around the entire world?
I think I might have answered this question before.
Personally I think these questions are complicated-and deserve much discussion, but I'll give you direct answers.
I do not support the Wars- Although I was behind the idea of taking down Bin L. Was never in support of going into Iraq. Pull out the troops now(I know it's not that easy)!!
Military bases I'm caught in the middle, but I support them.
let me know if you have any other questions.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487tonifig8 wrote:
I think I might have answered this question before.
Personally I think these questions are complicated-and deserve much discussion, but I'll give you direct answers.
I do not support the Wars- Although I was behind the idea of taking down Bin L. Was never in support of going into Iraq. Pull out the troops now(I know it's not that easy)!!
Military bases I'm caught in the middle, but I support them.
let me know if you have any other questions.
Ok, so you don't support the wars. But you do support sending a never ending supply of soldiers? Because that was a basis for your argument, having more troops.
So why would you want more people to be sent to two wars that you don't support?0 -
unsung wrote:tonifig8 wrote:
I think I might have answered this question before.
Personally I think these questions are complicated-and deserve much discussion, but I'll give you direct answers.
I do not support the Wars- Although I was behind the idea of taking down Bin L. Was never in support of going into Iraq. Pull out the troops now(I know it's not that easy)!!
Military bases I'm caught in the middle, but I support them.
let me know if you have any other questions.
Ok, so you don't support the wars. But you do support sending a never ending supply of soldiers? Because that was a basis for your argument, having more troops.
So why would you want more people to be sent to two wars that you don't support?
Sorry, but that wasn't the basis of my argument. I support real solutions and real progress- People who joining the military aren't always sent to war-
If these people joined the military they would be serving America - After they are done with their service they would be approved or disapproved for citizenship.
(sorry for taking long to respond I'm not always at my computer even though i am logged on)0
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