DEMS SAY, "F*CK OBAMA!!"

cajunkiwi

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

while i am at it, these other issues have not been attributed to other presidents and were based on fear and mistrust. how about all of the talk about reverend wright, his connection to that harvard professor, and the assertion that he was not experienced enough with his experience as a senator. that experience as a senator and his 2 years in office is more experience than his biggest critic on the matter, palin, who served 1/2 term as governor and resigned to whore herself out on the book and tv and twitter circuit.

The whole Palin thing cracks me up. During the campaign everyone on the right was firing criticisms at Obama because he was more of a celebrity than a politician. Then Palin quits as governor to do a TV show and a book deal, and the Tea Party worships her while Fox gives her ample airtime. Nope, no hypocrisy there. My wife is a Republican and she changes the channel as soon as Palin comes on (which isn't often, given that she refuses to watch Fox News too). She swears that if Palin wins the 2012 election (which is really about as likely as me, an actual foreigner with a birth certificate too prove it), then she'll be the first one in line to move overseas.

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CAJUNKIWI said: " If I see someone I know to be christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas. If I see someone I know to be jewish, I'll wish them a Happy Chanukah. If I have no idea, I'll play it safe and say "Happy Holidays." It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that white christians aren't the only people in America."

WTF did you mean, kiwi? Own it.....

JonnyPistachio

Best of Times wrote:

CAJUNKIWI said: " If I see someone I know to be christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas. If I see someone I know to be jewish, I'll wish them a Happy Chanukah. If I have no idea, I'll play it safe and say "Happy Holidays." It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that white christians aren't the only people in America."

WTF did you mean, kiwi? Own it.....

dude, it's quite obvious to me that you've taken that out of context. His point is that he knows that this isnt the only demographic that cares about holiday distinctions.

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JonnyPistachio wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

CAJUNKIWI said: " If I see someone I know to be christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas. If I see someone I know to be jewish, I'll wish them a Happy Chanukah. If I have no idea, I'll play it safe and say "Happy Holidays." It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that white christians aren't the only people in America."

WTF did you mean, kiwi? Own it.....

dude, it's quite obvious to me that you've taken that out of context. His point is that he knows that this isnt the only demographic that cares about holiday distinctions.

I disagree. The point was adequately made without the mention of color.

cajunkiwi

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Cajunkiwi: YOU made a racist slip-up when YOU injected WHITE into a discussion about religion. I have nothing to say to you until you respond.

Don''t be a coward. YOU SAID IT. Fucking own it. WHAT DID YOU MEAN?

I knew you couldn't go too many posts without dropping an F-bomb. Fucking good on ya.

What did I mean? Here's exactly what I meant:

1. I said the War on Christmas doesn't exist (my opinion).
2. Electric_Delta said he believed it did (his opinion).
3. I disagreed with him and said there is no war, just a public acknowledgment that there are multiple celebrations taking place at this time of year (again, my opinion).
4. I then proceeded to say that if I knew what religion someone belonged to, I would greet them with the appropriate phrase (Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah).
5. I also added that if I didn't know what religion someone belonged to, I'd play it safe and stick with Happy Holidays. It's a convenient catch-all, and when I say it I don't mean to disrespect anyone.
6. Despite there being a number of celebrations taking place at this time of year, I only listed two - Christmas and Chanukah - because, well, I don't have all day to provide an exhaustive list, and I didn't think it was that important that I do so.
7. I then went on to state that a lot of the people who believe there's a War on Christmas are white Christians who don't like the fact that the holiday isn't exclusively theirs anymore. That is my opinion, based on my observations of the people who believe the War on Christmas is real. While I have no idea what Electric_Delta looks like in real life, the only people I have ever personally seen complain about the War on Christmas are white Christians who don't like sharing their holiday season with African Americans (Kwanzaa), Muslims (Ramadan), and Jews (Chanukah). They never had a Menorah at their Christmas Tree-lighting ceremony growing up, and they resent its presence there now. I've never seen a Jewish person complain about a War on Chanukah, a Muslim complain about a War on Ramadan, or an African American complain about a War on Kwanzaa. But every December a handful of white Christians crawl out of the woodwork (not all, not even most, just a handful) and complain about a War on Christmas (that in my opinion doesn't exist), simply because they don't like having to share their holiday with other religions and cultures. I work for a state university, and we have a holiday celebration every year. Not a Christmas celebration. A holiday one. Why is it a holiday celebration and not a Christmas one? Because it involves multiple religions and cultures, and calling it a holiday celebration is a generic term that covers everyone. Yet every year, we hear comments that we hate Christmas because we don't call it a Christmas celebration. We don't hear from people saying we hate Chanukah and Kwanzaa because we don't call it a Chanukak celebration (that includes Christmas and Kwanzaa) or a Kwanzaa celebration (that includes Chanukah and Christmas). We only hear from people saying we hate Christmas. I'm not saying those protesters speak for the majority of white Christians (I seriously doubt they do), I'm just saying that it's been my experience that the only people who believe there's a War on Christmas fit that one particular ethnic group. And, for the record, the ones who explained WHY they think there's a War on Christmas have all provided the same reason - they resent the fact that other cultures and religions are included in "their" celebration.

Did I own it enough for you?

gimmesometruth27

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gimmesometruth:

I wasn't asserting any opinion, or trying to prove anything. I was asking for sources, and then formed my own opinions about them. Attacks? gimmeabreak.

Get it straight, gimme. You're better that that.

again if you are addressing me i ask that you quote the post. i am not going to sit here all day and type longwinded replies that will not be addressed with anything other than an emoticon. especially if i don't know what i am replying to.

JonnyPistachio

Best of Times wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

CAJUNKIWI said: " If I see someone I know to be christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas. If I see someone I know to be jewish, I'll wish them a Happy Chanukah. If I have no idea, I'll play it safe and say "Happy Holidays." It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that white christians aren't the only people in America."

WTF did you mean, kiwi? Own it.....

dude, it's quite obvious to me that you've taken that out of context. His point is that he knows that this isnt the only demographic that cares about holiday distinctions.

I disagree. The point was adequately made without the mention of color.

Ok, If thats how you see it.. just please save us the trouble and refrain from using 'bigot' AGAAAAIN!

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Sounds like you spend a lot of time thinking about the different groups; how you can classify all of us, by race, religion, color.

Wow, I never thought about different COLORED Christians, and how only the white ones "feel" the "war on Christmas".

You're a real free-thinker, but I think I'll just keep the friends I have....

:wave:

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JohnnyNut: Us? Ok. How's the schizophrenia going?

cajunkiwi

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

CAJUNKIWI said: " If I see someone I know to be christian, I'll wish them a Merry Christmas. If I see someone I know to be jewish, I'll wish them a Happy Chanukah. If I have no idea, I'll play it safe and say "Happy Holidays." It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that white christians aren't the only people in America."

WTF did you mean, kiwi? Own it.....

dude, it's quite obvious to me that you've taken that out of context. His point is that he knows that this isnt the only demographic that cares about holiday distinctions.

It doesn't surprise me that he took it out of context. Rational thinking doesn't appear to be his strong suit. I have a hunch he'll read my response and take that to mean I think ALL white Christians are up in arms over the War on Christmas, when I stated a number of times it seems to me to be a small minority. All I was trying to say is that saying "Happy Holidays" is an acknowledgment that there are a number of different celebrations taking place at this time of year. He took it and ran in a bizarre direction. This probably would've all been nipped in the bud if I'd simply said "It's not a war as much as it's an acknowledgment that Christmas isn't the only celebration taking place in December in America" - though both sentences mean exactly the same thing.

Boxes&Books

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Best of Times:

gimmesometruth:

I wasn't asserting any opinion, or trying to prove anything. I was asking for sources, and then formed my own opinions about them. Attacks? gimmeabreak.

Get it straight, gimme. You're better that that.

again if you are addressing me i ask that you quote the post. i am not going to sit here all day and type longwinded replies that will not be addressed with anything other than an emoticon. especially if i don't know what i am replying to.

I don't understand why you or anyone keeps responding to this person(best of times)!!??!! This person is annoying and disrespectful. No substance, no real discussions, and a bunch of slander.

JonnyPistachio

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JohnnyNut: Us? Ok. How's the schizophrenia going?

Ahh, I think we've uncovered the mysterious identity! Is that you Pancakes?! finally released form that anger management class? that waaaas a long ban you got there, huh?

regardless, I was one of the lucky ones to see your message that wasnt intended to be public, and I immediatly knew who we were dealing with. Tongif is right, and its just a matter of time before the rest stop giving you the time of day. Sadly, you seem intelligent, maybe you should only type things that you would say to someones face? just a suggestion

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tonifig8 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Best of Times:

gimmesometruth:

I wasn't asserting any opinion, or trying to prove anything. I was asking for sources, and then formed my own opinions about them. Attacks? gimmeabreak.

Get it straight, gimme. You're better that that.

again if you are addressing me i ask that you quote the post. i am not going to sit here all day and type longwinded replies that will not be addressed with anything other than an emoticon. especially if i don't know what i am replying to.

I don't understand why you or anyone keeps responding to this person(best of times)!!??!! This person is annoying and disrespectful. No substance, no real discussions, and a bunch of slander.

Slander? hahahhahha. You guys are SO sensitive...

Get smart. Then you wouldn't feel so dumb.

cajunkiwi

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Sounds like you spend a lot of time thinking about the different groups; how you can classify all of us, by race, religion, color.

Wow, I never thought about different COLORED Christians, and how only the white ones "feel" the "war on Christmas".

You're a real free-thinker, but I think I'll just keep the friends I have....

:wave:

Way to completely and utterly miss the point.

Again.

For the record, as I have already stated, the only people I have ever seen discuss the War on Christmas are white Christians. I never said there aren't Christians of different colors, only that the only people I have ever seen complain about the War on Christmas are white. And Christian.

All of which is beside the point - my original statement (which wasn't even in this thread), was that saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is an acknowledgment that America is a multi-cultural society.

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JonnyPistachio wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

JohnnyNut: Us? Ok. How's the schizophrenia going?

Ahh, I think we've uncovered the mysterious identity! Is that you Pancakes?! finally released form that anger management class? that waaaas a long ban you got there, huh?

regardless, I was one of the lucky ones to see your message that wasnt intended to be public, and I immediatly knew who we were dealing with. Tongif is right, and its just a matter of time before the rest stop giving you the time of day. Sadly, you seem intelligent, maybe you should only type things that you would say to someones face? just a suggestion

I am guilty of correcting spelling issues, I think... ok...? Mysterious identity? Am I the topic of conversation somewhere? :? I just thought you were kind of "nutty". Clever, huh?

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cajunkiwi wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Sounds like you spend a lot of time thinking about the different groups; how you can classify all of us, by race, religion, color.

Wow, I never thought about different COLORED Christians, and how only the white ones "feel" the "war on Christmas".

You're a real free-thinker, but I think I'll just keep the friends I have....

:wave:

Way to completely and utterly miss the point.

Again.

For the record, as I have already stated, the only people I have ever seen discuss the War on Christmas are white Christians. I never said there aren't Christians of different colors, only that the only people I have ever seen complain about the War on Christmas are white. And Christian.

All of which is beside the point - my original statement (which wasn't even in this thread), was that saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is an acknowledgment that America is a multi-cultural society.

So it's fair to say that you see people in terms of color? Your words...

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Best of Times wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

JohnnyNut: Us? Ok. How's the schizophrenia going?

Ahh, I think we've uncovered the mysterious identity! Is that you Pancakes?! finally released form that anger management class? that waaaas a long ban you got there, huh?

regardless, I was one of the lucky ones to see your message that wasnt intended to be public, and I immediatly knew who we were dealing with. Tongif is right, and its just a matter of time before the rest stop giving you the time of day. Sadly, you seem intelligent, maybe you should only type things that you would say to someones face? just a suggestion

I am guilty of correcting spelling issues, I think... ok...? Mysterious identity? Am I the topic of conversation somewhere? :? I just thought you were kind of "nutty". Clever, huh?

I will concede that reading my posts does make you "one of the lucky ones".

cajunkiwi

tonifig8 wrote:

I don't understand why you or anyone keeps responding to this person(best of times)!!??!! This person is annoying and disrespectful. No substance, no real discussions, and a bunch of slander.

Yeah - there are plenty of people on this board who I disagree with, but I usually find it easy to debate issues with them. Unsung and Electric_Delta come to mind. I usually disagree with them, but I respect their opinions - more often than not they can back up what they're saying. I don't have to agree with someone to be able to talk to them rationally. This guy, however, has lost the plot completely. He's attacking arguments that don't actually exist. That being said, reading his posts has helped me pass an otherwise slow Tuesday afternoon. I'm quite surprised he's on a Pearl Jam message board though - the way he overreacts to any mention of race you'd think he would've broken up with the band the first time he heard WMA

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cajunkiwi wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I don't understand why you or anyone keeps responding to this person(best of times)!!??!! This person is annoying and disrespectful. No substance, no real discussions, and a bunch of slander.

Yeah - there are plenty of people on this board who I disagree with, but I usually find it easy to debate issues with them. Unsung and Electric_Delta come to mind. I usually disagree with them, but I respect their opinions - more often than not they can back up what they're saying. I don't have to agree with someone to be able to talk to them rationally. This guy, however, has lost the plot completely. He's attacking arguments that don't actually exist. That being said, reading his posts has helped me pass an otherwise slow Tuesday afternoon. I'm quite surprised he's on a Pearl Jam message board though - the way he overreacts to any mention of race you'd think he would've broken up with the band the first time he heard WMA

You're so wrapped up in color and race... Relax. God loves us all, even the WHITE ones.

JonnyPistachio

cajunkiwi wrote:

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No, Angel. you fuckin said it, now own it. Anytime someone disagrees w/ your boy, they're a racist. It's so old. I guess 58% of America is racist b/c that's how many people disapprove of Obama.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5085 ... l.html.csp

It's so old.

Okay - I'll pose the same questions to you that I posed to Electric_Delta (someone who is magically able to disagree with me on a regular basis in a civil manner).

Please go down this list, point by point, and explain how none of these issues are race-based:

1. The Birther Movement claims he was born overseas, despite there being no evidence to support their claim.

2. Signs carried by Tea Party members at rallies depicted him as an African witch doctor, complete with a bone through his nose.

3. During the election, opponents (both political and in the media) made a point of referring to him by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, despite the fact that they don't do that for any other candidate.

4. Fox news referred to his wife as his "Baby Mama" and called a fist pump between he and Michelle Obama a "Terrorist fist-jab."

5. The FBI reported a sharp increase in the number of people joining hate groups like the KKK after his election, and he gets 4x as many death threats as Bush received in office. Not letters from disgruntled citizens telling him he's doing a bad job - letters from people saying they want to kill him.

Please feel free to use any language you like, though to me, personally, throwing the word "fuck" around on a regular basis doesn't make me any more likely to be swayed by your argument.

(and on point No. 3, I personally believe, for what it's worth, that when the local media in Louisiana made a point of referring to Bobby Jindal as Piyush Jindal they were being racist)

Getting back to the topics at hand, as this thread was slightly derailed by unneccessary banter...

I am also one to criticize Obama very quickly, but these things that you list ARE concerns. Its not just ONE person either, as some keep saying. Its very disconcerting. But with Obamas racial differences, It is (sadly) to be expected by some who cannot come up with better tihngs to discredit him with.