DEMS SAY, "F*CK OBAMA!!"

Godfather.

fife wrote:

I found this article interesting. don't know if i agree or not but its interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/13/z ... tml?hpt=T2

that was cool read thanks !

Godfather.

Best of Times

fife wrote:

I found this article interesting. don't know if i agree or not but its interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/13/z ... tml?hpt=T2

Interestin read. Bush the man had many faults, as did many of his policies. I think this article shows the poicies that history are likely to deem succussful- that is the policies that have endured, and been reaffirmed by a Democrat-controlled administration and Congress, are rooted in Conservatism.

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

gimmesometruth27

Best of Times wrote:

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....

Best of Times

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....

Wait- Obama DIDN"T have a "favorable Congress" that shoved things like Obamacare down our throats despite being oppsed by 65% of Americans (reference the historic ass-kicking last November)? These Congressmen lost their jobs, some lost their careers; Some that had been in Congress for 40 years!! They all ran right off a cliff for this President!! The party of no? What happened to "Yes We Can"? Well, they DID. And the American public showed them the proverbial door last November- a direct REPUDIATION of Obama's policies. Policies APPROVED by what you infer was an unfavorable Congress. The facts just don't support that.

Okay, I'll play crazy. Just what would your idea of a "favorable" Congress for Obama be- since 70% of the House and 60% of the Senate is not enough?

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....

I believe the democrat's struggles lie more within their leadership then the "party of no". Their biggest strategic downfall was their initial focus on world and social issues and not realizing that the economy was crumbling. I don't think they realized that the American public's number one priority is having a job and money. When we have job security, it is something we take for granted and allows us to focus on other important issues, but when that security is gone, not much really matters. The Republicans saw this and ran with it with a full head of steam. The Democrats broke rank and now the whole base is fractured.

If the Democrats want to recover, they need new leadership (possibly a group that can work together on an overall strategy instead of having hidden agendas).

fife

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....

I don't think that this is correct. Obama did have control of the senate and house for his first 2 years in office. now i agree that if you give a tax cut to 1 group you must give it to everyone (that's only fair) This was a smart move on Obama behalf but imho Obama has not sold it right. that seems to be the problem with the current administration. Obama campaign was so well done in terms of communication but now they can't do anything.

Best of Times

fife wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

History will be kinder than to W than it will be to Obama. Wait and see....

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....

I don't think that this is correct. Obama did have control of the senate and house for his first 2 years in office. now i agree that if you give a tax cut to 1 group you must give it to everyone (that's only fair) This was a smart move on Obama behalf but imho Obama has not sold it right. that seems to be the problem with the current administration. Obama campaign was so well done in terms of communication but now they can't do anything.

But that same argument was made by admin officials, and even Obama himself. (see his 60 minutes interview and also Gibbs saying "We haven't had a policy discussion in 20 months").

To them, it's not that the American public understands and repudiates Obama's policies, it's that Obama didn't explain it clearly enough to us little minded people. He's SO smart, we're SO dumb. Arrogance unparalleled.

Sorry friend, I think it IS the policy, not the communication. But I agree that saying, "We have to pass this bill so you can see what's in it"- Pelosi, is not the best example of good communication.

Godfather.

Huckabee: Obama self-destructed at tax deal press conference
By: CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby


Washington (CNN) - In the eyes of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, President Obama's press conference last week to address his deal with Republicans on taxes and unemployment benefits was "amateurish."

"The most bizarre part of the whole process was watching President Obama self-destruct at the podium yesterday," Huckabee told the National Journal in an interview published Monday, when asked about the tax deal.

"I was just stunned - I really couldn't believe that a man that was elected president was as amateurish as he was, and essentially launched from the podium at some of his own, taking aim and mowing down everybody in D.C. and walking away having not understood that he just lost a lot of people," he said.

Huckabee called the deal "the best anyone can hope for at this point" but said he had hoped that tax rates would be extended longer than just two years.

He also questioned why the president would kick the can down the road two years, assuring that the tax debate will be renewed in the middle of his re-election campaign.

"Politically, I was shocked it was going to be two not three, because it puts this whole thing in the very center, the bull's-eye of the 2012 presidential election," said Huckabee, who is considering a repeat presidential run.

Obama said during the press conference that he welcomes a campaign fight in 2012 over the GOP's economic vision, specifically their demand to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

fife

i doubt it, but if so it is only because bush had a favorable congress and senate that gave him everything he wanted. not the case with obama and the party of no....[/quote]

I don't think that this is correct. Obama did have control of the senate and house for his first 2 years in office. now i agree that if you give a tax cut to 1 group you must give it to everyone (that's only fair) This was a smart move on Obama behalf but imho Obama has not sold it right. that seems to be the problem with the current administration. Obama campaign was so well done in terms of communication but now they can't do anything.[/quote]

But that same argument was made by admin officials, and even Obama himself. (see his 60 minutes interview and also Gibbs saying "We haven't had a policy discussion in 20 months").

To them, it's not that the American public understands and repudiates Obama's policies, it's that Obama didn't explain it clearly enough to us little minded people. He's SO smart, we're SO dumb. Arrogance unparalleled.

Sorry friend, I think it IS the policy, not the communication. But I agree that saying, "We have to pass this bill so you can see what's in it"- Pelosi, is not the best example of good communication.[/quote]

sorry i bit confused, what are you talking about? I am not saying that Obama policies are all good but i do believe that more people would agree with some of his policies if he explained them better.

Best of Times

Oh. Nevermind....

:roll:

fife

Best of Times wrote:

Oh. Nevermind....

:roll:

so you think that most people understand Obama policies? I don't just like most people don't really understand most policies from anywhere.

Best of Times

I believe you.

TriumphantAngel

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

so not even 2 years into his Presidency and the obama faithful are throwing him away.

that tells me that they are a whole lot smarter than the bush faithful who put up with his crap for 8 years.

i think obama genuinely has a good heart. unfortunately good hearts don't make a great President on it's own. you have got to be able to make the tough calls too and i've yet to see him be able to do that.

i'd also like to take a moment to say that i think the way he has been demonized by some of the American public (obama is a muslim OMG, he's not a citizen, he is the anti-christ, where is his birth certificate etc) just shows how hateful, ignorant, racist and plain dumb some Americans are.

those of you who are guilty of that behaviour ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm not ashamed to criticize the man for his policies. I couldn't care less what the color of his skin is. It means nothing to me.

i don't believe i said anyone should be ashamed or afraid to criticize Obama for his actual Policies.

i said i was referring to the many ignorant people who critcize him for other things. take the rumor that Obama is a Muslim for example . he's not, but what i want to know is WHY whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there is something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim.

Is there something wrong with being a muslim in the US?

Best of Times

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

so not even 2 years into his Presidency and the obama faithful are throwing him away.

that tells me that they are a whole lot smarter than the bush faithful who put up with his crap for 8 years.

i think obama genuinely has a good heart. unfortunately good hearts don't make a great President on it's own. you have got to be able to make the tough calls too and i've yet to see him be able to do that.

i'd also like to take a moment to say that i think the way he has been demonized by some of the American public (obama is a muslim OMG, he's not a citizen, he is the anti-christ, where is his birth certificate etc) just shows how hateful, ignorant, racist and plain dumb some Americans are.

those of you who are guilty of that behaviour ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm not ashamed to criticize the man for his policies. I couldn't care less what the color of his skin is. It means nothing to me.

i don't believe i said anyone should be ashamed or afraid to criticize Obama for his actual Policies.

i said i was referring to the many ignorant people who critcize him for other things. take the rumor that Obama is a Muslim for example . he's not, but what i want to know is WHY whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there is something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim.

Is there something wrong with being a muslim in the US?

No, Angel. you fuckin said it, now own it. Anytime someone disagrees w/ your boy, they're a racist. It's so old. I guess 58% of America is racist b/c that's how many people disapprove of Obama.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5085 ... l.html.csp

It's so old.

fife

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I'm not ashamed to criticize the man for his policies. I couldn't care less what the color of his skin is. It means nothing to me.[/quote]

i don't believe i said anyone should be ashamed or afraid to criticize Obama for his actual Policies.

i said i was referring to the many ignorant people who critcize him for other things. take the rumor that Obama is a Muslim for example . he's not, but what i want to know is WHY whenever this gets raised, the implication is that there is something wrong with being an Arab-American or a Muslim.

Is there something wrong with being a muslim in the US?[/quote]

No, Angel. you fuckin said it, now own it. Anytime someone disagrees w/ your boy, they're a racist. It's so old. I guess 58% of America is racist b/c that's how many people disapprove of Obama.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5085 ... l.html.csp

It's so old.[/quote]

no where did he say that :roll: what he was talking about is how many people in america still believe things that have been found to be false about Obama. I don't think you can deny that.

Best of Times

The guy could say he's a fucking Druid- I don't care. He's a shitty President, an international joke, an economic and diplomatic moron, and a complete and total disappointment to his voters. His one-term presidency will go down as the worst since Carter, which puts him on the shortlist for Worst Ever.

He could be a green and purple Scientologist from Saturn, and it wouldn't fucking matter.

fife

Best of Times wrote:

The guy could say he's a fucking Druid- I don't care. He's a shitty President, an international joke, an economic and diplomatic moron, and a complete and total disappointment to his voters. His one-term presidency will go down as the worst since Carter, which puts him on the shortlist for Worst Ever.

He could be a green and purple Scientologist from Saturn, and it wouldn't fucking matter.

Just so that we can fulfill your goal of having a reasonable discussion. What exactly are your issues with the president? please give me examples if possible. Thank you

TriumphantAngel

Best of Times wrote:

No, Angel. you fuckin said it, now own it. Anytime someone disagrees w/ your boy, they're a racist. It's so old. I guess 58% of America is racist b/c that's how many people disapprove of Obama.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5085 ... l.html.csp

It's so old.

'my boy'. lol. that's hilarious. a few weeks ago i was called anti american and now obama is 'my boy. lol. that's too funny,

i have no problems with people crititicizing Obama for his Policies. i've done it plenty of times.

again, for the last time, what i did say was this.

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i think obama genuinely has a good heart. unfortunately good hearts don't make a great President on it's own. you have got to be able to make the tough calls too and i've yet to see him be able to do that.

i'd also like to take a moment to say that i think the way he has been demonized by some of the American public (obama is a muslim OMG, he's not a citizen, he is the anti-christ, where is his birth certificate etc) just shows how hateful, ignorant, racist and plain dumb some Americans are.

those of you who are guilty of that behaviour ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Best of Times

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

No, Angel. you fuckin said it, now own it. Anytime someone disagrees w/ your boy, they're a racist. It's so old. I guess 58% of America is racist b/c that's how many people disapprove of Obama.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5085 ... l.html.csp

It's so old.

'my boy'. lol. that's hilarious. a few weeks ago i was called anti american and now obama is 'my boy. lol. that's too funny,

i have no problems with people crititicizing Obama for his Policies. i've done it plenty of times.

again, for the last time, what i did say was this.

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i think obama genuinely has a good heart. unfortunately good hearts don't make a great President on it's own. you have got to be able to make the tough calls too and i've yet to see him be able to do that.

i'd also like to take a moment to say that i think the way he has been demonized by some of the American public (obama is a muslim OMG, he's not a citizen, he is the anti-christ, where is his birth certificate etc) just shows how hateful, ignorant, racist and plain dumb some Americans are.

those of you who are guilty of that behaviour ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

okay, I hear you.

cajunkiwi

Electric_Delta wrote:

Demonizing every successful person comes off a little too Bolshevik.

How would you describe people who demonize all unemployed people as lazy wastes of space who just want the government to provide for them? If you want nuance when talking about the rich, then you should apply it to the poor too.