Ledbetter is just a orphaned guitar riff with Ed mumbling over it. There is a reason it was never on a album- because the band wasn't proud of it. I'm not saying it's one of the worst songs they have put out, but it should get mentions before some that I see on here frequently (Betterman, Come Back, even Wishlist)
you can tell PJ hates Ledbetter because of how they refuse to play it ... oh wait.
A better reason it was left off those earlier albums is because it was too bluesy and too good and too radio-friendly ... and they weren't in the business of writing hits at that time.
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are you kidding? the music to that song is horrible. a terrible mid-tempo bland fest. it doesn't go anywhere. nothing interesting at all happens in that song.
maybe i'm just not old enough to think it's good. still got some hearing left.
I've never been a fan of most of the music in the beginning. Too waltzy and countryish.
Until 4:23... That's when the chills start.
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I apologze to Hobbs & vedderoff dead for my rude outburst. It was uncalled for and childish, but some of this stuff is hard to believe. It seems like some of you must be kidding.
Apology accepted, BigEd.
I have found that the problem with a band like Pearl Jam is that 95% of their catalog is so absolutely stellar that when they put out anything that's even remotely sub-par it sticks out like a sore thumb! If you think about it, PJ's B and C sides are better than most bands' A material...and that's a cold hard fact...
Ah .... Ed is amazing in that song. Especially the last half. And Mike's little solo there gives me goosebumps every.fucking.time. I've never really lost a close relative before, but I'm sure when that day comes, I'll never be able to listen to Come Back again. The song will just be too real and too painful at that point.
I'm sorry you don't like it or get it, and can't headbang to it because it's too mid-tempo, but there's no need to bash those of us who do.
i'm not bashing with any intent of being mean. i'm just doing a little smack talking. i know it does a lot for some people and i wouldn't ever try to take that away for anyone or be mean about it. i'm just messing around like i would with some friends. just a friendly round of shit talking.
i'm not bashing with any intent of being mean. i'm just doing a little smack talking. i know it does a lot for some people and i wouldn't ever try to take that away for anyone or be mean about it. i'm just messing around like i would with some friends. just a friendly round of shit talking.
fair enough .... you fuckwad!
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I have found that the problem with a band like Pearl Jam is that 95% of their catalog is so absolutely stellar that when they put out anything that's even remotely sub-par it sticks out like a sore thumb! If you think about it, PJ's B and C sides are better than most bands' A material...and that's a cold hard fact...
no worries brother. all in the spirit of the argument. i don't take any of it personal.
you can tell PJ hates Ledbetter because of how they refuse to play it ... oh wait.
A better reason it was left off those earlier albums is because it was too bluesy and too good and too radio-friendly ... and they weren't in the business of writing hits at that time.
how can you call it 'writing a hit' when mike himself says it was just a riff he used to play and Ed just made up words..so they put it out as a B-side. They didn't expect a song with no lyrical meaning to be a hit. It explains it in the book for Lost Dogs
I was using as an example to show that I don't dislike anything but "headbanger" music, an accusation put forth by slightofjeff.
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It gives me great pleasure to be the first to nominate "Parachutes." OMG, what a buzz kill!!
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It gives me great pleasure to be the first to nominate "Parachutes." OMG, what a buzz kill!!
Forgot about that one. Lyrics may be good but the music...
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how can you call it 'writing a hit' when mike himself says it was just a riff he used to play and Ed just made up words..so they put it out as a B-side. They didn't expect a song with no lyrical meaning to be a hit. It explains it in the book for Lost Dogs
You're right. It could be, in the beginning, they didn't realize how good it was.
But the song-writing process you just described was pretty much the process for most of their songs in the beginning ... somebody playing a riff they had in their back pocket, with ed placing words over it.
also, the words have always had lyrical meaning. It has always been an anti-war song ... even if some of the words were mumbled or re-arranged in a live setting. Ed has explained that it was first written to protest the first Gulf War ... I'd imagine it gets played so much more nowadays due to world events.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
last Kiss sucks, but it's not a PJ song so I didn't mention it. If this topic includes covers I nominate Driven to Tears as the worst song ever. I would much rather see a 2 hour performance of Evacuation than a 5 minute performance of the drubble that is Driven to Tears
thumbing my way is such a well written song. one of my top five favorites.
least favorites: green disease, daughter, comatose
I LOVE Green Disease (I think mostly for what it says)... love Daughter and Comatose for both the words and the music. Thumbing My Way grew on me, but CAN'T STAND Comback except for the very end when Ed hums or whatever it is he's doing. I'm seriously hoping he doesn't sing it this tour. Sorry - it just bores me.
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I am personally bored with the 'Headbanging' songs
Okay.
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all of no code with the exception of sometimes and who you are
Are you serious? No Code is arguably one of PJ's best albums.
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I am personally bored with the 'Headbanging' songs
you know what? Me, too. It doesn't seem to me that Ed is really into them anymore ... and when he's not into them, they aren't worth playing. The thing about PJ is the songs have to be played from the heart. If there ever comes a point Ed isn't feeling a certain song anymore, it needs to be put to rest.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
you know what? Me, too. It doesn't seem to me that Ed is really into them anymore ... and when he's not into them, they aren't worth playing. The thing about PJ is the songs have to be played from the heart. If there ever comes a point Ed isn't feeling a certain song anymore, it needs to be put to rest.
Sounds like it's time for the band to break up. Ed seems to enjoy his solo career.
EDIT: I'm not kidding either. I wouldn't be surprised...
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I need the 16th to get here fast.
I got so freakin' worked up reading this post, my face turned red, my stomach started hurtin'........I was getting seriously bent out of the frame!
I need a beer......or a good counselor.
Sounds like it's time for the band to break up. Ed seems to enjoy his solo career.
Nah. These guys still rock. But it's patently obvious (to me at least) that Ed is over songs like "Go" and "Spin the Black Circle" and (as much as it pains me) "Rearviewmirror."
They used to rock the hell out of Rearviewmirror around '96 or so. It was maybe one of my top five songs. Now it seems like they're rushing to get through it, Ed doesn't even bother with half the lyrics, etc.
He's much better at the slower, mid-tempo stuff. If I were designing the optimal PJ setlist, most of the people who populate this thread would hate it for sure.
It would be filled with your Small Towns and your Off He Goes and your Wishlist and Thumbing and all that good stuff.
EDIT: Maybe it's not all the headbanging stuff they are over. Just the old headbanging stuff.
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for the least they could possibly do
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you can tell PJ hates Ledbetter because of how they refuse to play it ... oh wait.
A better reason it was left off those earlier albums is because it was too bluesy and too good and too radio-friendly ... and they weren't in the business of writing hits at that time.
for the least they could possibly do
I've never been a fan of most of the music in the beginning. Too waltzy and countryish.
Until 4:23... That's when the chills start.
-Reagan
Apology accepted, BigEd.
I have found that the problem with a band like Pearl Jam is that 95% of their catalog is so absolutely stellar that when they put out anything that's even remotely sub-par it sticks out like a sore thumb! If you think about it, PJ's B and C sides are better than most bands' A material...and that's a cold hard fact...
Only song I sit down for
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i'm not bashing with any intent of being mean. i'm just doing a little smack talking. i know it does a lot for some people and i wouldn't ever try to take that away for anyone or be mean about it. i'm just messing around like i would with some friends. just a friendly round of shit talking.
Nothing as it seems - boring
Spin the black circle - not worth all this screaming
fair enough .... you fuckwad!
for the least they could possibly do
no worries brother. all in the spirit of the argument. i don't take any of it personal.
how can you call it 'writing a hit' when mike himself says it was just a riff he used to play and Ed just made up words..so they put it out as a B-side. They didn't expect a song with no lyrical meaning to be a hit. It explains it in the book for Lost Dogs
I was using as an example to show that I don't dislike anything but "headbanger" music, an accusation put forth by slightofjeff.
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exactly :P
Forgot about that one. Lyrics may be good but the music...
-Reagan
I am personally bored with the 'Headbanging' songs
Last Kiss
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It's fucking awesome man. STBC is definitive Pearl Jam
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You're right. It could be, in the beginning, they didn't realize how good it was.
But the song-writing process you just described was pretty much the process for most of their songs in the beginning ... somebody playing a riff they had in their back pocket, with ed placing words over it.
also, the words have always had lyrical meaning. It has always been an anti-war song ... even if some of the words were mumbled or re-arranged in a live setting. Ed has explained that it was first written to protest the first Gulf War ... I'd imagine it gets played so much more nowadays due to world events.
for the least they could possibly do
last Kiss sucks, but it's not a PJ song so I didn't mention it. If this topic includes covers I nominate Driven to Tears as the worst song ever. I would much rather see a 2 hour performance of Evacuation than a 5 minute performance of the drubble that is Driven to Tears
I LOVE Green Disease (I think mostly for what it says)... love Daughter and Comatose for both the words and the music. Thumbing My Way grew on me, but CAN'T STAND Comback except for the very end when Ed hums or whatever it is he's doing. I'm seriously hoping he doesn't sing it this tour. Sorry - it just bores me.
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Okay.
-Reagan
Are you serious? No Code is arguably one of PJ's best albums.
BLASPHEMY INDEED!
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Dana Point 09/09/17 (Ed) | Rome 06/26/18
you know what? Me, too. It doesn't seem to me that Ed is really into them anymore ... and when he's not into them, they aren't worth playing. The thing about PJ is the songs have to be played from the heart. If there ever comes a point Ed isn't feeling a certain song anymore, it needs to be put to rest.
for the least they could possibly do
That's better.
for the least they could possibly do
Sounds like it's time for the band to break up. Ed seems to enjoy his solo career.
EDIT: I'm not kidding either. I wouldn't be surprised...
-Reagan
I got so freakin' worked up reading this post, my face turned red, my stomach started hurtin'........I was getting seriously bent out of the frame!
I need a beer......or a good counselor.
I know others rave about it - I just don't get it.
I forgot that one as well, and agree completely.
Nah. These guys still rock. But it's patently obvious (to me at least) that Ed is over songs like "Go" and "Spin the Black Circle" and (as much as it pains me) "Rearviewmirror."
They used to rock the hell out of Rearviewmirror around '96 or so. It was maybe one of my top five songs. Now it seems like they're rushing to get through it, Ed doesn't even bother with half the lyrics, etc.
He's much better at the slower, mid-tempo stuff. If I were designing the optimal PJ setlist, most of the people who populate this thread would hate it for sure.
It would be filled with your Small Towns and your Off He Goes and your Wishlist and Thumbing and all that good stuff.
EDIT: Maybe it's not all the headbanging stuff they are over. Just the old headbanging stuff.
for the least they could possibly do
That's it. I've officially had it with this thread.
How could you ... why ... but ... I ... look at the words, man!
for the least they could possibly do