Republicans Block U.S. Health Aid for 9/11 Workers

gimmesometruth27

Best of Times wrote:

Alright, now you're thinking... "cost of being a citizen"- not a static thing, is it? Always changing?

Question: WHO decides what the COST of being a citizen is? I mean, we have different citizens here, some work hard and are successful, some work hard and are barely making it, some sit on their asses and cash gov't checks. So, WHO gets to decide how much you pay? And can it ever be too much? At what point do you, a person of liberal political persuasion, say, "Enough. I can't pay anymore."?

And at that point, will the thought occur to you, that our Gov't should start spending less?

do you support the responders that worked and got sick on 9/11?

yes or no.

that is all i am asking. just a yes or no.

Best of Times

CINCIBEARCAT:

well said....

Best of Times

ok gimme, but I was hoping in my tree was still around.

yes, i care. save your next post-

I know this lib-tactic...

gimmesometruth27

Best of Times wrote:

ok gimme, but I was hoping in my tree was still around.

yes, i care. save your next post-

I know this lib-tactic...

yes??

if yes, how do you care? they risked their lives to run in those buildings, and then they went to try and rescue after they fell and they got sick from the toxic air, some with very serious health issues. so if you support them the first thing you should do is support this bill.

i am gonna use some glenn beck dot-connecting here....

"the republicans don't support this bill, therefore they do not support the sick first responders of 9/11, therefore they hate america...."

alright, where is my fox news tv contract??

Best of Times

Geez. I knew I would regret answering that.

Why, if I oppose Obama, am I a racist?
Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?
Why, if I say a gov't mandate to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, am I uncompassionate?

Why are Democratic Senators filibustering this bill, and why are you still blaming Republicans for Democratic impotence?

You had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. Your agenda was SO liberal, that it was overwhelmingly rejected by Americans only 22 months later. And most Libs are pissed that it wasn't liberal enough!

Democratic Impotence: there ain't no Viagra for that kind of failure....

Jeanwah

Best of Times wrote:

ok gimme, but I was hoping in my tree was still around.

yes, i care. save your next post-

I know this lib-tactic...

No you don't care. You've been supporting this bill throughout the entire thread. Saying "ecomony first". Yea, economy (which isn't improving any btw) before peoples' lives. Of course.

Best of Times

Have another Ambien, my dear...

Wake you up in 2012...

Jeanwah

Best of Times wrote:

Geez. I knew I would regret answering that.

Why, if I oppose Obama, am I a racist?
Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?
Why, if I say a gov't mandate to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, am I uncompassionate?

Actions speak louder than words.

Cosmo

"Merry Christmas NYPD and FDNY!!!"

Best of Times

Unfortunately, your vote was an action.

Now, as I said before, you Obama voter's act like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard:
So disillusioned, so confused....

Where do you go from here?

Jeanwah

Best of Times wrote:

This bill will pass- eventually. But NOT until it's payed for. The Repubs have vowed to block all bills until taxes are dealt with...

Economy is #1 right now, and I agree.

Because their money is more important than anything else.

And tell me when the economy is actually showing improvement and how Republicans are purely responsible for saving it.

Best of Times

My fingers hurt. Maybe tomorrow J- I'm going to listen to some Pearl Jam.

Later.

Jeanwah

Best of Times wrote:

My fingers hurt. Maybe tomorrow J- I'm going to listen to some Pearl Jam.

Later.

already? Sheesh... Thanks for responding to any of my points. :roll:

Best of Times wrote:

Unfortunately, your vote was an action.

Now, as I said before, you Obama voter's act like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard:
So disillusioned, so confused....

Where do you go from here?

And this comes across as nothing more than a pompous attitude.

Jason P

Best of Times wrote:

Why, if I oppose Obama, am I a racist?
Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?
Why, if I say a gov't mandate to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, am I uncompassionate?

It's quite simple. When one side is pushing an agenda, they will try to dehumanize their opponents to gain public support. Both the conservatives and liberals are guilty of this. For instance, conservatives love to tag the "socialist" sticker to a lot of issues while liberals like to tie issues back to GWB and "the man".

Best of Times

Jeanwah wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

My fingers hurt. Maybe tomorrow J- I'm going to listen to some Pearl Jam.

Later.

already? Sheesh... Thanks for responding to any of my points. :roll:

Best of Times wrote:

Unfortunately, your vote was an action.

Now, as I said before, you Obama voter's act like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard:
So disillusioned, so confused....

Where do you go from here?

And this comes across as nothing more than a pompous attitude.

Says the girl w/ sour grapes. Had a rough November?

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

Alright, now you're thinking... "cost of being a citizen"- not a static thing, is it? Always changing?

Question: WHO decides what the COST of being a citizen is? I mean, we have different citizens here, some work hard and are successful, some work hard and are barely making it, some sit on their asses and cash gov't checks. So, WHO gets to decide how much you pay? And can it ever be too much? At what point do you, a person of liberal political persuasion, say, "Enough. I can't pay anymore."?

And at that point, will the thought occur to you, that our Gov't should start spending less?

you tell me the answers...You seem to have them already...so share...please...

and the cost of being a citizen being "always changing"...I say "really, how so?"....this thing called the U.S.of A. has been around for awhile...and these sort of discussions have been happening for a little while, too...things are the same, you just think you know more than others...

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

Geez. I knew I would regret answering that.

Why, if I oppose Obama, am I a racist?
Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?
Why, if I say a gov't mandate to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, am I uncompassionate?

Why are Democratic Senators filibustering this bill, and why are you still blaming Republicans for Democratic impotence?

You had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. Your agenda was SO liberal, that it was overwhelmingly rejected by Americans only 22 months later. And most Libs are pissed that it wasn't liberal enough!

Democratic Impotence: there ain't no Viagra for that kind of failure....

Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?...you may not "hate" them, but surely don't give a shit about them...there's lots of things in this world to oppose for the sake of opposing, which you and the repubs like to do, but this one is a no-brainer...

gimmesometruth27

inmytree wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Geez. I knew I would regret answering that.

Why, if I oppose Obama, am I a racist?
Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?
Why, if I say a gov't mandate to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, am I uncompassionate?

Why are Democratic Senators filibustering this bill, and why are you still blaming Republicans for Democratic impotence?

You had the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. Your agenda was SO liberal, that it was overwhelmingly rejected by Americans only 22 months later. And most Libs are pissed that it wasn't liberal enough!

Democratic Impotence: there ain't no Viagra for that kind of failure....

Why, if I say cut spending to pass a 9/11 responders bill, do I hate responders?...you may not "hate" them, but surely don't give a shit about them...there's lots of things in this world to oppose for the sake of opposing, which you and the repubs like to do, but this one is a no-brainer...

nice post IMT. opposing for the sake of opposing is definitely the tactic here. kind of ironic how these are the heroes of 9/11 and look who is witholding the help they need from them. it is pretty sad and shameful.

TriumphantAngel

as a paramedic, i really find this whole situation disgusting.

clearly the people making these decisions don't value my life as much as i value theirs.

satansbed

Best of Times wrote:

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

you my friend are an idiot

Liberalism is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, fair trade, and the separation of church and state. These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.

Song, p. 45. Grounded on these foundations are the two central values of liberalism: equality and liberty.

Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were. The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution. The term has since been used to describe a wide range of views.

Seymour Martin Lipset wrote that liberals and conservatives "typically do not take alternative positions on issues of equality and freedom. Instead, each side appeals to one or the other core values, as liberals stress egalitarianism‘s primacy and the social injustice that flows from unfettered individualism, while conservatives enshrine individual freedom and the social need for mobility and achievement as values "endangered" by the collectivism inherent in liberal nostrums.

so i think you should read about what liberalism and conservatism actually are before you go off defining things