Republicans Block U.S. Health Aid for 9/11 Workers

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

This bill will pass- eventually. This bill is a political tool anyway. Republicans will block it because it's another piece of unfunded legislation and the Dems will call them the party of "no" and accuse them of being un-sympathetic.

More sensationalism.

but they are the party of no. they have not voted for a single proposed piece of legislation without it being watered down by hundreds of GOP ammendments. party of no pretty much sums up the gop.


they won't even vote to ratify the fucking start treaty...as if more nukes and no regulation or accounting of ours or russia's stockpiles is a good thing. :roll:

Aren't House Democrats stalling the tax cuts for all Americans? Wouldn't that make them the party of "no" in this case? Am I going to have to pay higher tax rates because THEY won't agree to a compromise?

I thought that's what the Dems wanted Republicans and Obama to do...compromise. Is that not the case if the Dems don't get everything they want?

i just want obama to keep a single promise and not roll over.

and the rich can afford to pay more in taxes, while the working poor and middle calsses who actually spend money on things like gas, groceries, medical expenses, all of which take up a large part of their income, instead of investing that saved money, can not afford it.

why do you support the top 2% of all earners? if you are for reducing the defecit, then by default you MUST support repeal of the tax cuts for the richest 2%. that is simple math. you can NOT be for tax cuts for the wealthy AND for reducing the deficit. it can not possibly work that way.

inmytree

Electric_Delta wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

This bill will pass- eventually. But NOT until it's payed for. The Repubs have vowed to block all bills until taxes are dealt with...

Economy is #1 right now, and I agree.

yeah, fuck those guys and gals who were first responders...

:thumbup:

Thank you for proving my point.

which was what...?

inmytree

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

This bill will pass- eventually. This bill is a political tool anyway. Republicans will block it because it's another piece of unfunded legislation and the Dems will call them the party of "no" and accuse them of being un-sympathetic.

More sensationalism.

but they are the party of no. they have not voted for a single proposed piece of legislation without it being watered down by hundreds of GOP ammendments. party of no pretty much sums up the gop.


they won't even vote to ratify the fucking start treaty...as if more nukes and no regulation or accounting of ours or russia's stockpiles is a good thing. :roll:

Aren't House Democrats stalling the tax cuts for all Americans? Wouldn't that make them the party of "no" in this case? Am I going to have to pay higher tax rates because THEY won't agree to a compromise?

I thought that's what the Dems wanted Republicans and Obama to do...compromise. Is that not the case if the Dems don't get everything they want?

suddenly you want compromise....

oh, the irony...

Best of Times

inmytree wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Russia is playing Obama for a fool.

First, he caved on our allies in Poland w/ missile defense, then Russia embarrassed Obama by circumventing UN sanctions on Iran by selling the AA missile systems to Venezuela- who'll now share them w/ Iran, and finally the Iranians are parking med-range missiles in Venezuela, and Obama can't even stop wikileaks from humiliating his administration's State Department. You think Putin is sitting around marvelling at Obama the Orator like our "progressive left"?

No. He's aligning himself w/ Iran and China and Venezuela and N.Korea to plan our demise.

Obama: Most incompetent leader in world history- or just US history?

START: Carter's Mistake Part II

Those who not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them...

and this has what to do with what...?

Geeez, man. H I S T O R Y: read some.

Electric_Delta

All I've been hearing was how the Republicans MUST compromise or nothing will get done. They're willing to now. I do want compromise in this case, or at the very least, the tax rate needs to stay lower.

I think this Congress fully expected the Bush cuts to expire without it being a big deal. They counted on it when they spent recklessly.

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

Russia is playing Obama for a fool.

First, he caved on our allies in Poland w/ missile defense, then Russia embarrassed Obama by circumventing UN sanctions on Iran by selling the AA missile systems to Venezuela- who'll now share them w/ Iran, and finally the Iranians are parking med-range missiles in Venezuela, and Obama can't even stop wikileaks from humiliating his administration's State Department. You think Putin is sitting around marvelling at Obama the Orator like our "progressive left"?

No. He's aligning himself w/ Iran and China and Venezuela and N.Korea to plan our demise.

Obama: Most incompetent leader in world history- or just US history?

START: Carter's Mistake Part II

Those who not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them...

and this has what to do with what...?

Geeez, man. H I S T O R Y: read some.

this thread is about the Repubs being overly sympathetic to 9/11 aid workers and you spout off about Russia...Yeah, I guess I better go read some H I S T O R Y...

inmytree

Electric_Delta wrote:

All I've been hearing was how the Republicans MUST compromise or nothing will get done. They're willing to now. I do want compromise in this case, or at the very least, the tax rate needs to stay lower.

I think this Congress fully expected the Bush cuts to expire without it being a big deal. They counted on it when they spent recklessly.

and this has what to do with a stand alone bill to support 9/11 workers...? this random shit about tax rates has nothing to with the fact repubs are blocking this...plain and simple...

you and the repubs linking them because you want them to be linked to fit your narrative....

Electric_Delta

inmytree wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

inmytree wrote:

yeah, fuck those guys and gals who were first responders...

:thumbup:

Thank you for proving my point.

which was what...?

See above.

Yeah, Republicans hate the elderly, hate children, and kick puppies. They're also a bunch of dogmatic, tobacco-chewing, gun-owning, intolerant morons.

Sensationalism is the mantra of the far left.

Best of Times

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

Best of Times

In My Tree: Im trying to be civil w/ you, but you are making it difficult.

I talked about Russia b/c someone brought up START.

Are you gonna ask me what START is now?

inmytree

Electric_Delta wrote:

See above.

Yeah, Republicans hate the elderly, hate children, and kick puppies. They're also a bunch of dogmatic, tobacco-chewing, gun-owning, intolerant morons.

Sensationalism is the mantra of the far left.

above what...?

the only one sensationalizing anything is you....

I can't understand how anyone can not support passing this bill...

gimmesometruth27

Best of Times wrote:

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

where are you getting your definitions of liberal and conservative from? those are pretty condescending definitions if you ask me.

Best of Times

inmytree wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

See above.

Yeah, Republicans hate the elderly, hate children, and kick puppies. They're also a bunch of dogmatic, tobacco-chewing, gun-owning, intolerant morons.

Sensationalism is the mantra of the far left.

above what...?

the only one sensationalizing anything is you....

I can't understand how anyone can not support passing this bill...

Here's one of your favorite Socialist Senators doing just that:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... x-cut-deal

I love listening to you Obama voters now... So disillusioned, so confused. You act like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard....

Where do you go from here?

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

I love how the philosophies paint liberals in a negative light and the cons is a positive light...I'm shocked you would do that...

as I liberal, I think the gov't has a role...I don't think they need to take care of me...

I also think I should be able to do as I please...I also think taxes are necessary and I'm ok with paying them...it's the cost of being a citizen...

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

See above.

Yeah, Republicans hate the elderly, hate children, and kick puppies. They're also a bunch of dogmatic, tobacco-chewing, gun-owning, intolerant morons.

Sensationalism is the mantra of the far left.

above what...?

the only one sensationalizing anything is you....

I can't understand how anyone can not support passing this bill...

Here's one of your favorite Socialist Senators doing just that:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics ... x-cut-deal

I love listening to you Obama voters now... So disillusioned, so confused. You act like you took an Ambien and woke up in the backyard....

Where do you go from here?

:?

inmytree

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

where are you getting your definitions of liberal and conservative from? those are pretty condescending definitions if you ask me.

I know, right...

Best of Times

Condescending? Maybe if you are Liberal and don't enjoy someone saying it that way.

But ask a conservative if they are just that, and they'll tell you, "Yes, I am a conservative."

Ask a liberal person that, and they immediately get defensive, "I'm not a Liberal!! I'm a Moderate" Or the newest one, "I'm a Progressive."

So, maybe the word Liberal itself is inherently condescending? I don't know. I've never been afflicted w/ Liberalism. Phew!

inmytree

Best of Times wrote:

Condescending? Maybe if you are Liberal and don't enjoy someone saying it that way.

But ask a conservative if they are just that, and they'll tell you, "Yes, I am a conservative."

Ask a liberal person that, and they immediately get defensive, "I'm not a Liberal!! I'm a Moderate" Or the newest one, "I'm a Progressive."

So, maybe the word Liberal itself is inherently condescending? I don't know. I've never been afflicted w/ Liberalism. Phew!

you're so cool... :thumbup:

Best of Times

inmytree wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

In My Tree:

You seem like a good-natured person, and I understand where you are coming from. But there is a fundamental difference in Liberal and Conservative political ideology that you are missing.

NOTE: NOT Repub vs. Dem, those are parties that SAY they operate based on these philosophies, but... Politicians say a lot of things.

Back to the philosophies:
Liberal: A safe bet. Peolpe need gov't to take care of them in all aspects of their lives. People work, the gov't takes the money (taxes) that they say they need to take care of the citizens, and whatever money is left over, the citizen can keep.
Conservative: A little riskier. Individual responsibilty and liberty with minimal intrusion from government into our daily lives. We keep more of our money when we earn it, and are responsible for our own livelihood.

It is a choice that all Americans must make, and you make it everytime you vote.

I love how the philosophies paint liberals in a negative light and the cons is a positive light...I'm shocked you would do that...

as I liberal, I think the gov't has a role...I don't think they need to take care of me...

I also think I should be able to do as I please...I also think taxes are necessary and I'm ok with paying them...it's the cost of being a citizen...

Alright, now you're thinking... "cost of being a citizen"- not a static thing, is it? Always changing?

Question: WHO decides what the COST of being a citizen is? I mean, we have different citizens here, some work hard and are successful, some work hard and are barely making it, some sit on their asses and cash gov't checks. So, WHO gets to decide how much you pay? And can it ever be too much? At what point do you, a person of liberal political persuasion, say, "Enough. I can't pay anymore."?

And at that point, will the thought occur to you, that our Gov't should start spending less?

cincybearcat

inmytree wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

This bill will pass- eventually. But NOT until it's payed for. The Repubs have vowed to block all bills until taxes are dealt with...

Economy is #1 right now, and I agree.

This bill is a political tool anyway. Republicans will block it because it's another piece of unfunded legislation and the Dems will call them the party of "no" and accuse them of being un-sympathetic.

More sensationalism.

yeah, this is just plan sensationalism...Christ, how can some folks be some damn selfish...please, can someone tell me...I just don't get it...


and for your viewing pleasure...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010 ... -video.php

You don't see it as a good step to start ensuring funding and where it is coming from before approving legislation? I personally see it as a good fit.

However, what I don;t like is the simple "no" vote. I'd prefer a, "No, not in this form...but it's important and this is how WE propose to pay for it". Get past whether or not it should be done and then go find the $.

It is a political tool on both sides. Repubs looking like they will stand up to Obama and be fiscally conservative for the first time in a while and Democrats get to make it look like the Repubs don't care about 9/11 responders. Neither wanted it to pass the first time around and both are trying to spin it for their side.