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Got my 'roo cd in the mail today...

vedderoffdeadvedderoffdead Posts: 684
edited July 2008 in The Porch
I'm going to wait until I listen to the show in it's entirety to make a final judgment, but after listening to the first disc I have to say my first reaction is that I'm a bit disappointed. By far, the worst sounding 'official' boot I've heard, and I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 or so. Ed's vocals seem to just sit on top of the band, it's stange. I don't know how else to describe it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with the purchase. I'm still going to end up listening to it a lot, it just sounds oddly mixed. Perhaps it's due to the shear size of the venue? I mean there wasn't really anything for the sound to bounce off of.

I still can't wait for my Camden I & II and MSG I & II though...
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  • Rjonesrm20Rjonesrm20 Posts: 380
    agree 100%..it is weird
    1998: Indy 2000: Indy, Cincy 2003: Lexington (m.e.o.), Cincy (cancelled),Indy 2004: Toledo 2005: Atlantic City 2 2006: Cleveland, Cincy 2008: Los Angeles1 (EV solo)-front row center!West Palm Beach-2nd row!, Tampa, Chicago 1&2-(EV solo) 2009: Nashville 1&2(EV solo) Memphis(EV solo) Chicago 1&2
  • vedderoffdeadvedderoffdead Posts: 684
    Rjonesrm20 wrote:
    agree 100%..it is weird

    Oh, thank the Lord...I thought I was losing it...
  • Rjonesrm20Rjonesrm20 Posts: 380
    it gets better the further into the setlist
    1998: Indy 2000: Indy, Cincy 2003: Lexington (m.e.o.), Cincy (cancelled),Indy 2004: Toledo 2005: Atlantic City 2 2006: Cleveland, Cincy 2008: Los Angeles1 (EV solo)-front row center!West Palm Beach-2nd row!, Tampa, Chicago 1&2-(EV solo) 2009: Nashville 1&2(EV solo) Memphis(EV solo) Chicago 1&2
  • riffrandallriffrandall Posts: 685
    Rjonesrm20 wrote:
    it gets better the further into the setlist

    I agree. At first I thought the same thing, that it was a little..um.. subpar? I'm over it now.
    "If you're looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch, you're out of luck."
  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    vedderoffdead wrote:
    Ed's vocals seem to just sit on top of the band, it's stange.
    hit the nail right on the head. i thought it was just the way my volume was on my ipod or something, but i also noticed that all i heard was ed, and i had to really crank it to hear the audience, and the audience participation is one of the best parts of any boot imo.
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
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  • Lukin562Lukin562 Posts: 23
    Agreed beginning is a bit sketch.....WMA sounds sweet. I first listened to Disc one in my car sounded pretty good. Then i put some headphones inot my Cd played at home. Headphones always make stuff sound that much better. WMA rules.
    A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw
    Delivered him wings, 'Hey, look at me now'
    Arms wide open with the sea as his floor

    PJ:
    6/3/06 East Rutherford
    6/24/08 MSG I
    6/25/08 MSG II
    6/30/08 Boston
    EV:
    8/4-NYC
    8/5-NYC
    8/7-Newark
  • vedderoffdeadvedderoffdead Posts: 684
    Lukin562 wrote:
    Agreed beginning is a bit sketch.....WMA sounds sweet. I first listened to Disc one in my car sounded pretty good. Then i put some headphones inot my Cd played at home. Headphones always make stuff sound that much better. WMA rules.

    Yeah, I think I'll use my noise-cancelling headphones and just sit back and relax for the other 2 discs.
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    is this a problem with the 'roo boot in particular, or something that has happened with boots from other shows too? was just curious
  • quasiquasi Posts: 492
    Another thing I noticed is that they look like burned CDs...the backs are green and you can see the burn rings...on professionally pressed CDs they are silver and you can't see burn rings. Anybody else notice. The fronts are silk screened of course by they look like they were done in those printers (I can see the print lines). Not complaining...just observations. All the other physical boots were not like this.
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  • the wolfthe wolf Posts: 7,027
    hmm. find the audience recording. i have been listening to that since a few days after the show.

    sounds good.
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  • Rjonesrm20Rjonesrm20 Posts: 380
    porch....just gave me chills!....nice
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  • 1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,939
    quasi wrote:
    Another thing I noticed is that they look like burned CDs

    that's cuz they are burned cds.
    2003 Mansfield III 
    2004 Boston I 
    2006 Boston I 
    2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I 
    2010 Hartford 
    2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford 
    2016 Bonnaroo, Fenway I, Fenway II 
    2018 Fenway I, Fenway II 
    2021 Sea.Hear.Now
    2022 Camden
    2024 MSG I, Fenway I, Fenway II
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    I haven't gotten mine yet and I have a feeling they might have mailed it to my old address. :(
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
  • ramblinponyramblinpony Posts: 115
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    is this a problem with the 'roo boot in particular, or something that has happened with boots from other shows too? was just curious

    It is a problem with all the cd's. They sound like high quality audience recordings. I am still glad to have them, but I would love the quality of the 2000 tour boots.
  • Rjonesrm20Rjonesrm20 Posts: 380
    I'm pretty stoked on these boots...i got WPB, Tampa , and Roo....best band ever.!
    1998: Indy 2000: Indy, Cincy 2003: Lexington (m.e.o.), Cincy (cancelled),Indy 2004: Toledo 2005: Atlantic City 2 2006: Cleveland, Cincy 2008: Los Angeles1 (EV solo)-front row center!West Palm Beach-2nd row!, Tampa, Chicago 1&2-(EV solo) 2009: Nashville 1&2(EV solo) Memphis(EV solo) Chicago 1&2
  • igotid_8igotid_8 Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 504
    From what I've noticed, the sound quality gets better as they get deeper in the tour.

    NYC 2 and DC sound good.
    2000 Columbus, Pittsburgh
    2003 Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Columbus
    2004 Toledo
    2005 Hamilton, Pittsburgh
    2006 Cleveland, Auburn Hills, Pittsburgh
    2009 Chicago
    2010 Cleveland
    2013 Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 Detroit
    2016 Tampa, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
    2018 Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
    2022 Hamilton
    2023 Chicago 1, Chicago 2, Austin 1, Austin 2
    2024 Las Vegas 1, Las Vegas 2, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    ramblinpony wrote:
    It is a problem with all the cd's. They sound like high quality audience recordings. I am still glad to have them, but I would love the quality of the 2000 tour boots.
    ahh okay, thanks for posting about it, was curious before i get mine in the mail!
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,370
    yeah the mix could be way better but still very happy to have it, can't wait for MSGII & specially Hartford ...
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  • DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    ahh okay, thanks for posting about it, was curious before i get mine in the mail!

    i haven;t recieved any of mine yet, but go to that new bootlegs page and listen to the little player at the bottom. i think it has dissident, who you are, and even flow. they sound great! the only slight problem i could find was mike's guitar is a bit soft in dissident but thats nit picking. they will sound fine.
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
  • chiquimonkeychiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    i haven;t recieved any of mine yet, but go to that new bootlegs page and listen to the little player at the bottom. i think it has dissident, who you are, and even flow. they sound great! the only slight problem i could find was mike's guitar is a bit soft in dissident but thats nit picking. they will sound fine.
    oh yeah, i've heard those, and those sounded just fine to me! was just wondering about the actual cds. i'm sure i'll be happy with 'em though :)
  • VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,924
    I think everybody got so used to bad recordings (2000-2006, except certain 2003 shows) that once a normal mix to 2008 standards comes along, everybody thinks it sounds strange.

    Sorry, I'm the dissenter on this thread. In 2000, Ed was mixed to sound like he was in the parking lot. In 2003-2006, the upper end of the guitars were so shrill, you could cut through paper with them.

    No bass in 2000.

    This sounds great. Just received WPB and Roo which I'm listening to now.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,933
    igotid_8 wrote:
    From what I've noticed, the sound quality gets better as they get deeper in the tour.

    NYC 2 and DC sound good.

    yeah I agree with this. MSG 1 and Hartford also sound really good.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2

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  • AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,260
    Mike is too low. Not as noticeable when he's featured, but definitely noticeable when other shit is going on. Down is a good example.
  • AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,260
    Then there's this: an EAC wav processor shot of Do The Evolution. UGH UGH UGH.
  • quasiquasi Posts: 492
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:
    that's cuz they are burned cds.

    Looking back at the original description of these under "news", they do state that they are "burned" to order. I guess I missed that. Not a big deal. I just thought they were going to be like the bootlegs of the past that weren't just burned discs but on higher grade silver discs (where you can't see the burn rings). Only problem is that depending on the quality of the disc/media, these will break down earlier (like an REM bootleg I bought in 1998 that was burned on similar green discs...it now no longer plays at all).
    SEA 9/20/92, SEA 12/7/93, SEA 12/31/94 (MS), SEA 11/5/00, SEA 11/6/00, SEA 12/8/02, SEA 12/9/02, BEN 10/22/03, GOR 9/1/05, SD 7/7/06, LA 7/10/06, LA 7/12/06, LA (EV) 4/12/08, LA (EV) 4/13/08, LA 7/12/08, LA 9/30/09, LA 10/7/09, SEA 12/6/13, SEA 8/8/18
  • inhiding 1976inhiding 1976 NWI Posts: 580
    Rjonesrm20 wrote:
    it gets better the further into the setlist
    I agree there are some songs where you hear weird sounds. But all in all, I would have to say as and entire show I really think there are clean songs that sound great, Matt's drums and Jeffs bass you can here clear and it is mixed great, for example, the beginning of black is mixed wierd, but at the end you are happy. Crazy mary when Mike and Boom jam at first you are like WTF, but toward the end it sounds good. These feelings happen through out but all in all I really think you can hear all musicaians in the band equally and it is crisp. After your third time listening to it, it feels sounds like 2003. Patience, let all of your criticism go and you will find yourself jamming out to a perfect bootleg.

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  • missblackmissblack Posts: 15
    CRAP!! I just ordered it last week and have been so excited to listen to it. Oh well I am 0 for 2 on the bootlegs this summer. I just bought an "unofficial" bootleg from Salzer's in Ventura and the thing clicks at random spots on the cd. It sucks because it startles you and the first time I listened to it on my ipod I forgot and damn near flew off the treadmill at the gym!
  • BustedDownThePretextBustedDownThePretext Posts: 330
    the 2003 boots are the best sounding official boots. 2005 is definitely the worst. 2006 is way better than 2000.
    "and onward goes this thing of ours."

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  • inhiding 1976inhiding 1976 NWI Posts: 580
    quasi wrote:
    Another thing I noticed is that they look like burned CDs...the backs are green and you can see the burn rings...on professionally pressed CDs they are silver and you can't see burn rings. Anybody else notice. The fronts are silk screened of course by they look like they were done in those printers (I can see the print lines). Not complaining...just observations. All the other physical boots were not like this.
    I noticed this the second I opened the package, it is the first thing I looked for. I wonder why the band went this route? I am still happy with what I purchased, but the did use a low quality CD to rip.

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  • yielderyielder Posts: 160
    who is doing the mixing?
    i could not be so dificoult? if you listen to the melbourne boot from 1995 or 1998 thats a broadcast show and it sounds amazing !

    Lets bring back brendan o brien on stage to do the mixing.
    and lets do something about those guitar, drum, bass sounds because they all sound so flatt
    Greets Dave
    Antwerp -Belgium- Europe
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