Ya its stupid. You target plastic bags, all you have to do is observe carts at the grocery store loaded with bottled water, pop in plastic, in the states beer in plastic other assorted items in plastics, packaging of many items in most retail stores are in plastic, but we target the plastic bag. If they really wanted to make a difference why not ban plastic bags and packing material altogether? That I would approve of, no problem. That would take the hypocrisy out of it. Many of those items that are pack in non recyclable plastic. Ban plastic use altogether I support no problem.
I'm not buying your attempt to change the subject. It's a simple strategy to start trying to reduce our plastic consumption, especially since these bags are found everywhere: in ditches, waterways, seagulls stomachs and blowing in the wind. It's a place to start, and it's as simple as bringing your own bags with you when you go shopping. This makes a huge difference.
there's this small state in Australia that was the first to outlaw plastic bags. they have removed over 400 million plastic bags from their waste each year. that's just one state. high five to them for being the first to initiate it in Australia.
it's not that hard to take your own reusable bags when you go to the stores. really, it's not.
That's awesome. Who did that - Tassie or ACT? My wife and I always use reusable cloth bags, they work fine. Hell, even our doggie bags (for when we take our four-legged son for a walk) are biodegradable now.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Then as unsung you use paper, the liquor store offer paper. Whatever though. This is just a way for the store's to pass more cost onto the consumer. Like I said why not ban plastic packaging altogether? As unsung said most are made in china, I guess shipping them from China is not using oil!!!!!!
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Then as unsung you use paper, the liquor store offer paper. Whatever though. This is just a way for the store's to pass more cost onto the consumer. Like I said why not ban plastic packaging altogether? As unsung said most are made in china, I guess shipping them from China is not using oil!!!!!!
It's not an 'all or none' concept. They will never do away with all the plastic everywhere, so you start with what you can do. Paper bags are better than plastic but they end up being a waste also, as well as costly to make.
Oh I see you don't want to pay the extra cost. Why can't you do away with plastic packaging? Apple has done a good job of limiting plastic packaging. Of course it adds to the price. Why is pop in plastic. It use to come in glass bottles.
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From the store. Here in Canada all our Beer is bottles or aluminum can. Now I see they are trying the aluminum bottle in The States. Hopefully that don't catch on here.
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there's this small state in Australia that was the first to outlaw plastic bags. they have removed over 400 million plastic bags from their waste each year. that's just one state. high five to them for being the first to initiate it in Australia.
it's not that hard to take your own reusable bags when you go to the stores. really, it's not.
That's awesome. Who did that - Tassie or ACT? My wife and I always use reusable cloth bags, they work fine. Hell, even our doggie bags (for when we take our four-legged son for a walk) are biodegradable now.
lol not Tassie or ACT. small state as in population. those damn South Aussies! high five to them.
and nice job on the biodegradable doggie bags!
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From the store. Here in Canada all our Beer is bottles or aluminum can. Now I see they are trying the aluminum bottle in The States. Hopefully that don't catch on here.
Ok, so how is that in plastic??? But I agree the aluminum bottle is a gimmick by the big beer companies. I drink craft beer.
I've seen beer in plastic bottles in the states and have been served it in sporting events. I prefer glass bottles if possible. I'm not sure of the brand.
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Wow I haven't seen that yet. The only time I have was at the Hyde Park PJ show last year in London.
Of course with the amount of drunken fools that kept tossing half full bottles 30' in the air at people plastic was a good thing.
Wow I haven't seen that yet. The only time I have was at the Hyde Park PJ show last year in London.
Of course with the amount of drunken fools that kept tossing half full bottles 30' in the air at people plastic was a good thing.
I can see plastic bottles as being a good thing at sporting events and concerts.
the only beer they serve at cardinal games are large drafts in paper cups, 24 oz cans that must be poured into those waxy paper cups, or if you got the good seats you can get 16 oz AB products in plastic bottles....there really are no good choices at the game, draft makes you sick, the waxy paper cups gets all over your hands, and they sweat making people prone to drop their beers, and the plastic bottles are bad for the environment. i usually just bite the bullet and get the drafts, and deal with the gastrointestinal after effects....at least those cups are biodegradable...
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Maybe not in Canada but here the government has incentivized landlords to think more about the health and well being of their tenants. Landlords can get up to 60% off the cost of installing Insulation and $500 off cleaning heating ie. heat pumps (aircon), pellet fires or log burners for their rentals, this also applies to home owners. Speaking as someone who works in this programme it has been a great success and it is amazing to see the response from landlords to want to do something for their loyal tenants.
I believe there are programs in place, I believe one of them is you can get something called an energy audit, then when you upgrade you can get rebates or something like that, I'm not all that familiar with the program, I'm about as energy efficient as I'm going, my furnace and A/C is high efficiency, all my appliance are new energy efficient and I leave no unnecessary lights on and only used my AC this past summer a handful of times, furnace goes down when I go to work.
There used to be the federal eco-energy program which was as described, where you had an audit done and got money back for making improvements. There is still a provincial one, at least in ontario, that used to go hand in hand with the federal one. But they killed the federal on last year so without it you really have spend a ton of money to make the provincial one worthwhile (and even cover the cost of the audit). It is kind of annoying since I bought a house in Ottawa this past summer, and this year they cancelled that program, the home renovation tax credit. Plus the city of Ottawa used to give you aa $60 rebate if you replaced your old toilet with a new low flow model, but they found too many people took advantage, and water use decreased to the point where the water department wasn't making enough money to cover their budget.[/quote]
The toilet situation is funny, They'll probably raise rates to cover the short fall. I'm not about to get an energy audit, I can figure out my energy deficiencies on my own without paying xxx amount of $$$ to someone. But I do believe in Ontario you now have to get an energy audit when selling.[/quote]
Yea with the water situation they are probably going to raise the rates. There was also talk last summer about spending money for a PR campaign to convince people to drink less bottled water and more municipal water to increase water usage.
As far as the energy audit on a sold house goes, unless that is something brand new I don't think that is the case. I sold my condo and bought a house last august, and I didn't receive an energy audit on the house. And my agent was awesome so if this was something that was required, or something that was in the works I totally believe she would have told me.
And of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to improve the energy efficiency of your home, but if you want access to provincial grant money you have to have the professional audit done first. Although like I said without the federal program you really have to make a ton of improvements to get enough grant money to even pay for the audit.
I wasn't sure about the energy audit being mandatory on sold homes. I'm not quite so sure why people seem to buy so much bottled water, you get filtered water pitcher's, filtered water fridge's and filtration installed on your current water system, bottled water seems like a huge waste of money.
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I wasn't sure about the energy audit being mandatory on sold homes. I'm not quite so sure why people seem to buy so much bottled water, you get filtered water pitcher's, filtered water fridge's and filtration installed on your current water system, bottled water seems like a huge waste of money.
Yea I don't understand the demand for bottled water either. Especially since most bottled water is just filtered municipal water from somewhere else. It's funny a few years ago I went on a tour of the Ottawa water treatment plant. The guy giving the tour was some sort of supervisor and he talked about municipal water vs. bottled water. For municipal water the quality and safety standards fill this huge 3-ring binder. Since bottled water is a food product it is regulated by a different agency and the quality and safety standards by comparison fit in a very skinny file folder.
I was mistaken yesterday, an official from Samsung was at the Windsor announcement, however, I remain skeptical until the shovels are in the ground. I really hope this happens, this area really needs jobs. So here's hoping.
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I was mistaken yesterday, an official from Samsung was at the Windsor announcement, however, I remain skeptical until the shovels are in the ground. I really hope this happens, this area really needs jobs. So here's hoping.
it's a $7 billion deal ... samsung is getting huge incentives and should make a killing with the deal they struck ...
If all plastic packaging could at least be made of recycable material, that would be a start.
Curious: do you have curb side recycling? When your rubbish is collected are there recycling trucks also? We do but unfortunately they don't come down my private street so I take all my recycling to the transfer station.
If all plastic packaging could at least be made of recycable material, that would be a start.
Curious: do you have curb side recycling? When your rubbish is collected are there recycling trucks also? We do but unfortunately they don't come down my private street so I take all my recycling to the transfer station.
in toronto, we have curb side recycling as well as municipal composting ... we get municipal compost picked up weekly while recycling and garbage alternate weeks ...
If all plastic packaging could at least be made of recycable material, that would be a start.
Curious: do you have curb side recycling? When your rubbish is collected are there recycling trucks also? We do but unfortunately they don't come down my private street so I take all my recycling to the transfer station.
Yes that would be a start. I would rather have drop off depots. Around here can get quite windy, especially in the winter so a lot of the recycling gets blown about, so far the municipalities in these parts haven't tried looking for bins with lids.
It was funny a few years back...the local landfill that service the area municipalities threatened to raise their fees because they were not getting enough garbage due to recycling. The towns said they would pass on the cost. talk about an incentive to recycle, raise our taxes :roll:. I think they were not prohibited from bringing in outside garbage to cover the shortfall.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It’s a green job bonanza! Premier Dalton McGuinty has had his political soldiers working overtime this week, zipping around Southern Ontario, spreading good cheer and green energy jobs wherever they go. Tillonsburg? BAM! Three hundred jobs! Windsor? PRESTO! Another 600 jobs. Essex County? ZAP! Step right on up and help yourself to 126 jobs. And remember who you have to thank for this bounty of economic recovery — The Ontario Liberal Party and their Green Energy Act. Thank God for that Green Energy Act, that’s done so much to create over a thousand jobs (some will be full-time positions, other, temporary construction jobs, but hey, every job created in Ontario is directly thanks to Dalton McGuinty, right?)
And it’s like totally a bargain, too. All these jobs cost was a projected 46% hike in hydro rates, an extra billion dollars in debt and God only knows what else, since none of the numbers add up. Hmm. Not so good after all. But still, congratulations, Tillonsburg. Don’t spend all 300 jobs at once.
You can’t blame the government for desperately trying to make lemonade out of the bumper crop of citrus that the Green Energy Act has provided them. Basically every part of the government’s energy plan has been a total disaster so far, so they’re obviously going to take what good news they can get. But it’s going to take a lot more than a few hundred jobs here or there to turn this around, especially when every single Ontarian — including the ones benefiting from these new jobs — are going to spend the rest of their lives paying for it through increased hydro rates and the taxes necessary to pay off the deficit the province is accumulating.
Let’s look at the numbers. The average hydro bill in Ontario is about $1,500 a year. Ontario has promised to discount that by 10%, so make it $1,350 per annum. And they’re warning it will run up by 46%, so that takes us to $1,971 — almost 500 bucks more per year than Ontarians were paying before. Is it all because of McGuinty or the Green Energy Act? Of course not, there’s any number of factors that influence the cost of power. But McGuinty will get the blame for both overselling the benefits of his hydro reforms (it’ll save you money! … not) and for how badly it’s underperformed (we still burn coal and desperately need more nuclear plants just to keep the lights on). Ontarians aren’t going to fork more cash just because the transmission grid is obsolete. They’re going to wonder why they bothered getting the smart meter and the high-efficiency furnace and the eco-friendly dishwasher when their bill ended up climbing anyway, and then they’re going to flip on the TV and see the Premier gushing about all the jobs his hydro plan has created.
What do you think will resonate more, a fleeting news story about a new wind turbine factory or the $500 a year you no longer have in your wallet? It’s not a hard question to answer, and explains why the McGuinty Liberals are looking so nervous these days.
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I'm not buying your attempt to change the subject. It's a simple strategy to start trying to reduce our plastic consumption, especially since these bags are found everywhere: in ditches, waterways, seagulls stomachs and blowing in the wind. It's a place to start, and it's as simple as bringing your own bags with you when you go shopping. This makes a huge difference.
That's awesome. Who did that - Tassie or ACT? My wife and I always use reusable cloth bags, they work fine. Hell, even our doggie bags (for when we take our four-legged son for a walk) are biodegradable now.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It's not an 'all or none' concept. They will never do away with all the plastic everywhere, so you start with what you can do. Paper bags are better than plastic but they end up being a waste also, as well as costly to make.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Where is beer in plastic? Are you talking about buying it from the store or a draft at a beach party?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
and nice job on the biodegradable doggie bags!
Ok, so how is that in plastic??? But I agree the aluminum bottle is a gimmick by the big beer companies. I drink craft beer.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Of course with the amount of drunken fools that kept tossing half full bottles 30' in the air at people plastic was a good thing.
I can see plastic bottles as being a good thing at sporting events and concerts.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
There used to be the federal eco-energy program which was as described, where you had an audit done and got money back for making improvements. There is still a provincial one, at least in ontario, that used to go hand in hand with the federal one. But they killed the federal on last year so without it you really have spend a ton of money to make the provincial one worthwhile (and even cover the cost of the audit). It is kind of annoying since I bought a house in Ottawa this past summer, and this year they cancelled that program, the home renovation tax credit. Plus the city of Ottawa used to give you aa $60 rebate if you replaced your old toilet with a new low flow model, but they found too many people took advantage, and water use decreased to the point where the water department wasn't making enough money to cover their budget.[/quote]
The toilet situation is funny, They'll probably raise rates to cover the short fall. I'm not about to get an energy audit, I can figure out my energy deficiencies on my own without paying xxx amount of $$$ to someone. But I do believe in Ontario you now have to get an energy audit when selling.[/quote]
Yea with the water situation they are probably going to raise the rates. There was also talk last summer about spending money for a PR campaign to convince people to drink less bottled water and more municipal water to increase water usage.
As far as the energy audit on a sold house goes, unless that is something brand new I don't think that is the case. I sold my condo and bought a house last august, and I didn't receive an energy audit on the house. And my agent was awesome so if this was something that was required, or something that was in the works I totally believe she would have told me.
And of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to improve the energy efficiency of your home, but if you want access to provincial grant money you have to have the professional audit done first. Although like I said without the federal program you really have to make a ton of improvements to get enough grant money to even pay for the audit.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Yea I don't understand the demand for bottled water either. Especially since most bottled water is just filtered municipal water from somewhere else. It's funny a few years ago I went on a tour of the Ottawa water treatment plant. The guy giving the tour was some sort of supervisor and he talked about municipal water vs. bottled water. For municipal water the quality and safety standards fill this huge 3-ring binder. Since bottled water is a food product it is regulated by a different agency and the quality and safety standards by comparison fit in a very skinny file folder.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I was mistaken yesterday, an official from Samsung was at the Windsor announcement, however, I remain skeptical until the shovels are in the ground. I really hope this happens, this area really needs jobs. So here's hoping.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
it's a $7 billion deal ... samsung is getting huge incentives and should make a killing with the deal they struck ...
If all plastic packaging could at least be made of recycable material, that would be a start.
Curious: do you have curb side recycling? When your rubbish is collected are there recycling trucks also? We do but unfortunately they don't come down my private street so I take all my recycling to the transfer station.
in toronto, we have curb side recycling as well as municipal composting ... we get municipal compost picked up weekly while recycling and garbage alternate weeks ...
Yes that would be a start. I would rather have drop off depots. Around here can get quite windy, especially in the winter so a lot of the recycling gets blown about, so far the municipalities in these parts haven't tried looking for bins with lids.
It was funny a few years back...the local landfill that service the area municipalities threatened to raise their fees because they were not getting enough garbage due to recycling. The towns said they would pass on the cost. talk about an incentive to recycle, raise our taxes :roll:. I think they were not prohibited from bringing in outside garbage to cover the shortfall.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Matt Gurney: 1,000 new green jobs, courtesy of your extra $500 a year
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It’s a green job bonanza! Premier Dalton McGuinty has had his political soldiers working overtime this week, zipping around Southern Ontario, spreading good cheer and green energy jobs wherever they go. Tillonsburg? BAM! Three hundred jobs! Windsor? PRESTO! Another 600 jobs. Essex County? ZAP! Step right on up and help yourself to 126 jobs. And remember who you have to thank for this bounty of economic recovery — The Ontario Liberal Party and their Green Energy Act. Thank God for that Green Energy Act, that’s done so much to create over a thousand jobs (some will be full-time positions, other, temporary construction jobs, but hey, every job created in Ontario is directly thanks to Dalton McGuinty, right?)
And it’s like totally a bargain, too. All these jobs cost was a projected 46% hike in hydro rates, an extra billion dollars in debt and God only knows what else, since none of the numbers add up. Hmm. Not so good after all. But still, congratulations, Tillonsburg. Don’t spend all 300 jobs at once.
You can’t blame the government for desperately trying to make lemonade out of the bumper crop of citrus that the Green Energy Act has provided them. Basically every part of the government’s energy plan has been a total disaster so far, so they’re obviously going to take what good news they can get. But it’s going to take a lot more than a few hundred jobs here or there to turn this around, especially when every single Ontarian — including the ones benefiting from these new jobs — are going to spend the rest of their lives paying for it through increased hydro rates and the taxes necessary to pay off the deficit the province is accumulating.
Let’s look at the numbers. The average hydro bill in Ontario is about $1,500 a year. Ontario has promised to discount that by 10%, so make it $1,350 per annum. And they’re warning it will run up by 46%, so that takes us to $1,971 — almost 500 bucks more per year than Ontarians were paying before. Is it all because of McGuinty or the Green Energy Act? Of course not, there’s any number of factors that influence the cost of power. But McGuinty will get the blame for both overselling the benefits of his hydro reforms (it’ll save you money! … not) and for how badly it’s underperformed (we still burn coal and desperately need more nuclear plants just to keep the lights on). Ontarians aren’t going to fork more cash just because the transmission grid is obsolete. They’re going to wonder why they bothered getting the smart meter and the high-efficiency furnace and the eco-friendly dishwasher when their bill ended up climbing anyway, and then they’re going to flip on the TV and see the Premier gushing about all the jobs his hydro plan has created.
What do you think will resonate more, a fleeting news story about a new wind turbine factory or the $500 a year you no longer have in your wallet? It’s not a hard question to answer, and explains why the McGuinty Liberals are looking so nervous these days.
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