Switch the presidential terms of Bush and Obama...

BinauralJam

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

gimmesometruth27

BinauralJam wrote:

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

there is only one race, the human one...

BinauralJam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

there is only one race, the human one...

Thats a nice sentiment, but I don't agree.

TriumphantAngel

g under p wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Last time i got on a plane was two years ago, of out Lagaudia, which i believe was one of the airports the hijackers came from, what struck me as funny was ALL of the security guards and i do mean ALL of them were Middle Eastern. I don't know what they were back in 2001, but disconcerning to say the least.

The last person you would need to worry about is the nationality of the airport security. They more than any others would and should be checked out as whether they would bring harm to any of us.
What should be disconcerning to you while at the airport is whether or not you are carrying anything on the plane you shouldn't. They will do their jobs just fine as long as you are doing yours.

Peace

i have a huge problem with that comment.

why more than any others should they be checked out as to whether they would bring any harm to us? they are Americans. just like you. they should be treated exactly the same as anyone else. not worse, not better, the same.

TriumphantAngel

BinauralJam wrote:

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

fucks sake. what's wrong with some of you people. educate your fucking selves.

All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.

CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”

Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”

But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!

The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.

The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)

Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.



Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

TriumphantAngel

BinauralJam wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

there is only one race, the human one...

Thats a nice sentiment, but I don't agree.

they are americans. just like you. you are no better than them. they are no better than you.

the racist comments in this thread are disgusting.

Thousands of innocent lives were lost on September 11, 2001, and our hearts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones. For several hundred of the victims of 9/11, grief and sorrow has been compounded by constant suspicion, bias, hatred, and attacks on the faith they hold dear.

Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.

Or imagine being Baraheen Ashrafi, nine months pregnant with her second child. Her husband, Mohammad Chowdhury, was a waiter at Windows of the World restaurant, on the top floors of Tower One. The morning of September 11, they prayed salaat-l-fajr (the pre-dawn prayer) together, and he went off to work. She never saw him again. Their son, Farqad, was born 48 hours after the attacks -- one of the first 9/11 orphans to be born. In an interview with CTV Canada, she relates that in the months to follow, she mourned for her husband and endured the hostility of some ignorant people around her. "When they saw me ... I'm wearing a scarf. There is a hate look."

Or consider Rahma Salie, a passenger on American Airlines #11 that crashed into the North Tower. Rahma, a Muslim of Sri Lankan origin, was traveling with her husband Michael (a convert to Islam) to attend a friend's wedding in California. Rahma was 7 months pregnant with their first child. According to the Independent UK (October 11, 2001), Rahma's name was initially put on an FBI watch list, because her "Muslim-sounding" name was on the passenger manifest, and her travel patterns were similar to those of the hijackers (she was a computer consultant living in Boston). Although her name was eventually removed from the list, several of her family members were barred from taking flights to her memorial service. Her mother, Haleema, said, "I would like everyone to know that she was a Muslim, she is a Muslim and we are victims too, of this tragic incident.”

g under p

TriumphantAngel wrote:

g under p wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Last time i got on a plane was two years ago, of out Lagaudia, which i believe was one of the airports the hijackers came from, what struck me as funny was ALL of the security guards and i do mean ALL of them were Middle Eastern. I don't know what they were back in 2001, but disconcerning to say the least.

The last person you would need to worry about is the nationality of the airport security. They more than any others would and should be checked out as whether they would bring harm to any of us.
What should be disconcerning to you while at the airport is whether or not you are carrying anything on the plane you shouldn't. They will do their jobs just fine as long as you are doing yours.

Peace

i have a huge problem with that comment.

why more than any others should they be checked out as to whether they would bring any harm to us? they are Americans. just like you. they should be treated exactly the same as anyone else. not worse, not better, the same.

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Yes you are correct, I pondered for a moment what I was about to say before posting but went ahead anyway. I appologize for the statement.....I must remember my license plates...STYHUMN

Peace

gimmesometruth27

BinauralJam wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Because i'm worried there gona let there cousin through, ya know with a bomb. There are a few other races in N.Y., perhaps mix it up.

there is only one race, the human one...

Thats a nice sentiment, but I don't agree.

i wasn't asking if you agreed. scientifically we are ALL human beings. we have the same 46 chromosomes, the only difference is the genetic variation for the amount of melanin in an individual being. muslim is not a race, it is a faith, same as christian and hindu, and every other form of religion. what faith one person adheres to does not make them anything other than a human being that follows a particular set of beliefs.

catefrances

we dont know what were looking for so we look for nothing???

the mindset of your average american is a moot point when it comes to national security. but when the people supposedly protecting you are hamstrung by the attitude of who would dare attack the US on her own soil if thats the case then that is a major problem. i know i know its easy to say all this after the fact. you can say they didnt know specifics all you like and so werent sure how to act. but the point was they were warned and they chose not to do enough to counter that threat. were they looking for something so obvious it was gonna jump up and bite them on the arse???

i just think someone dropped the ball on this. i always have and i always will.

Paul David wrote:

it's not.............NOW. they didn't have a clue what they were even looking for, or where. Can you imagine the job it would have been to make sure all airport security all over the country were up to speed on new measures that they didn't know how to implement?

keep in mind the mindset of your average north american prior to 9/11. NONE OF US, citizen, government official, military, ever thought something like that would happen. So part of it was ignorant arrogance on all our parts.

mikepegg44

catefrances wrote:

we dont know what were looking for so we look for nothing???

the mindset of your average american is a moot point when it comes to national security. but when the people supposedly protecting you are hamstrung by the attitude of who would dare attack the US on her own soil if thats the case then that is a major problem. i know i know its easy to say all this after the fact. you can say they didnt know specifics all you like and so werent sure how to act. but the point was they were warned and they chose not to do enough to counter that threat. were they looking for something so obvious it was gonna jump up and bite them on the arse???

i just think someone dropped the ball on this. i always have and i always will.

Paul David wrote:

it's not.............NOW. they didn't have a clue what they were even looking for, or where. Can you imagine the job it would have been to make sure all airport security all over the country were up to speed on new measures that they didn't know how to implement?

keep in mind the mindset of your average north american prior to 9/11. NONE OF US, citizen, government official, military, ever thought something like that would happen. So part of it was ignorant arrogance on all our parts.

9/11 plot was basically a needle in a stack of needles. I wish somebody could have done something it was sad, truly one of the saddest days I can remember, but the measures taken before 9/11 happened in order to stop something like it would have been seen as fascist. Basically everything in the patriot act plus some.
More importantly there is no way to stop people from attacking you, except, obviously, not doing the things they claim as the reason for attacking you. If you are going to continue those things, in this case being involved in the middle east region as well as our continued support for Israel, then you need to be prepared for everything. If that isn't how your citizens want to live, and I know that I would not want to give up civil liberties to the government in the name of protection from "evil doers", then there will be consequences. Every action has a reaction. If the Government truly wanted to protect us we would treat everyone in the middle east the same...Peace would be very attainable through not picking a side, but simply saying that war isn't an option and slapping any warring faction hard...Israel, Palestine, Iran, Syria...just treat everyone with respect and stand up for peace. I am afraid it is too late now, we have created a lot of enemies and they have VERY long memories.

catefrances

mikepegg44 wrote:

9/11 plot was basically a needle in a stack of needles. I wish somebody could have done something it was sad, truly one of the saddest days I can remember, but the measures taken before 9/11 happened in order to stop something like it would have been seen as fascist. Basically everything in the patriot act plus some.
More importantly there is no way to stop people from attacking you, except, obviously, not doing the things they claim as the reason for attacking you. If you are going to continue those things, in this case being involved in the middle east region as well as our continued support for Israel, then you need to be prepared for everything. If that isn't how your citizens want to live, and I know that I would not want to give up civil liberties to the government in the name of protection from "evil doers", then there will be consequences. Every action has a reaction. If the Government truly wanted to protect us we would treat everyone in the middle east the same...Peace would be very attainable through not picking a side, but simply saying that war isn't an option and slapping any warring faction hard...Israel, Palestine, Iran, Syria...just treat everyone with respect and stand up for peace. I am afraid it is too late now, we have created a lot of enemies and they have VERY long memories.

i agree. all the security in the world wont save you if its your behaviour thats pissing people off and you dont see it as a problem let alone change it..

KDH12

you guys know you are wayyyyy of topic right

that said we have no way of knowing what each other (Bush/Obama) would have done it is an impossible question to answer

The one thing I can say for certain is that we would not have invaded Iraq that is without a doubt, there was no threat from Saddam. Sanctions and inspections were working and it was the biggest contrived lie (that went beyond Bush) by the neocons to through him out of power.

catefrances

KDH12 wrote:

you guys know you are wayyyyy of topic right

...

its all related, tangentially. 8-)

BinauralJam

Thats a nice sentiment, but I don't agree.[/quote]
i wasn't asking if you agreed. scientifically we are ALL human beings. we have the same 46 chromosomes, the only difference is the genetic variation for the amount of melanin in an individual being. muslim is not a race, it is a faith, same as christian and hindu, and every other form of religion. what faith one person adheres to does not make them anything other than a human being that follows a particular set of beliefs.[/quote]

Excellent Answer!!! First i would like to answer the faith question. I think all humans have the same capacity for faith and i think that it's in our genes, to one point or another. (which i refer to the amount of faith an individal has) a predispostion.

Secondly i like i believe in a zeitgeist, a spirit of the area if you will? and that where you live and what your people have become , influences who you are and what you believe, and i think this lends it'self to the next genetic predispostion which Ultimately bring each and every one of us to be completely different.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

i know i know its easy to say all this after the fact.

yes, it is. exactly my point.

catefrances wrote:

you can say they didnt know specifics all you like and so werent sure how to act. but the point was they were warned and they chose not to do enough to counter that threat. were they looking for something so obvious it was gonna jump up and bite them on the arse???

like I said, they are warned of "imminent threats" on an almost daily basis. do you have any idea how difficult it would be to discern the real threats from the false ones? you make it sound like pointing out a redneck in a gay bar. unless you have nearly foolproof intelligence, which no one does these days, it would be absolutely impossible to respond to all possible threats. what you are asking of the government to implement amounts to not only Big Brother, but Big Fuckin' Tyrannical Bully. With that type of paranoia comes that type of civil liberties taken away from you.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

so in essence you are excusing racism and/or racial/religious profiling. gotcha.

BinauralJam wrote:

Secondly i like i believe in a zeitgeist, a spirit of the area if you will? and that where you live and what your people have become , influences who you are and what you believe, and i think this lends it'self to the next genetic predispostion which Ultimately bring each and every one of us to be completely different.

BinauralJam

Paul David wrote:

so in essence you are excusing racism and/or racial/religious profiling. gotcha.

BinauralJam wrote:

Secondly i like i believe in a zeitgeist, a spirit of the area if you will? and that where you live and what your people have become , influences who you are and what you believe, and i think this lends it'self to the next genetic predispostion which Ultimately bring each and every one of us to be completely different.

Well Paul i didn't mean to. i have an idea about evolution, which leads me to believe that our differences should be celebrated not censored.

i do understand i have a unique point of veiw, and am not looking to argue.
i'm just giving you my point of view.

incidently , spent a lot of time reading all at lot of your points on the moving train recently, which have really broaden my horizons.

ONCE DEVIDED

Obama wouldnt have had holidays all year leading up to 9/11 so he would have been on top off the security issue. saying that It may still have happened. we would invade Afganistan then without the iraq diversion troops and hardware would have focused on afganistan. Defeating the taliban. Killing OSAMA BIN LADEN. who would have been found due to the fact that he had kidney issues and was on dialisis and would have been found promptly.
I reality we wasted our power on Iraq letting Afganistan slide to where it is today,
also no Gauntanimo and no torture. with The USA's right to retaliate the world would see the whole thing as a country defending itself. Not oil tycoons grabbing more wells
Not having the head of Haliburtron and all the neocons would have meant that parties who all along said that Iraq didnt have WMD's would have been listened to more. An attack would not have taken place.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

your zeitgeist post would have been a lot easier to swallow had it not been preceeded by you stating your concern for middle eastern airport security. maybe you just mispoke, given your "differences should be celebrated" comment. can you clarify why it concerns you to have one race of people working in the airport?

BinauralJam wrote:

Paul David wrote:

so in essence you are excusing racism and/or racial/religious profiling. gotcha.

BinauralJam wrote:

Secondly i like i believe in a zeitgeist, a spirit of the area if you will? and that where you live and what your people have become , influences who you are and what you believe, and i think this lends it'self to the next genetic predispostion which Ultimately bring each and every one of us to be completely different.

Well Paul i didn't mean to. i have an idea about evolution, which leads me to believe that our differences should be celebrated not censored.

i do understand i have a unique point of veiw, and am not looking to argue.
i'm just giving you my point of view.

incidently , spent a lot of time reading all at lot of your points on the moving train recently, which have really broaden my horizons.

BinauralJam

i think so, it's because both the good and bad in us are real.

i have been drinking tonight , so i may be over thinking this. at least in this point.