Switch the presidential terms of Bush and Obama...
Hugh Freaking Dillon
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In light of all the recent Bush and Obama bashing going on around here from both sides, I thought it would be interesting to see how both sides would see the other's president reacting to their situations. In understanding them, I think it's important to put them in each other's shoes.
If Bush and Obama had their presidential terms at each other's times, how would the US (and the world) be different?
-how would Obama have reacted to 9/11? Would the US have attacked Iraq, and subsequently allowed the death of Saddam? If not, would the US have the same international standing in the world, positive or negative?
-how would Bush have dealt or not dealt with the financial crisis left by Obama in the wake of the war(s)?
If Bush and Obama had their presidential terms at each other's times, how would the US (and the world) be different?
-how would Obama have reacted to 9/11? Would the US have attacked Iraq, and subsequently allowed the death of Saddam? If not, would the US have the same international standing in the world, positive or negative?
-how would Bush have dealt or not dealt with the financial crisis left by Obama in the wake of the war(s)?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Since THE FED is above all to blame for the economy being in shambles, Bush's solutions to the economy would have been more bad Keynesian policies-- more "regulation" of businesses, more inflation, more regulators, AND NO REGULATION OF THE REGULATORS.
Bush and Obama work for the same people, and that is not the American public.
As for Bush handling of the economy we have right now, well i can promise his focus would not have been to pass a healthcare bill which was not read by those who voted for it that has had the effect of causing business to significantly pull back any potential hiring due to the hostile attitude toward business that currently exists in the white house. I feel safe in saying he would have focused on the economy and creating an environment to get people back to work and he would not have ignored that to focus on his ideological agenda at the expense of the american people. but hey, we do have 99 weeks of unemployment coverage so that really encourages people to try hard to find a job i know.......why try to start a business on your own with all the red tape and regulation required especially when you can get paid to do nothing for two years.....
ahh, but my biases all show through here.......the only good thing about this president is that Ed no longer feels the need to talk about how terrible the president is during the shows. stick to the music, which is why i fell in love with the band in the first place......so that has been a nice side effect of a failed presidency to date...
cheers! here is to the upcoming 2011 tour and all the good times to be had which will make all the political bull sh.. fade into the distance.
I think I would rather have Clinton in Obamas time slot only because things were great when we had slick Willy in office,I honestly couldn't say why or if he help create a good economy it just was though.
hard call to make on the Bush time slot but Obama has done his thing carrying over into the Afghan war so who really knows how obama would have handled that issue but one things for sure ,,Obama will never be the same man he was before his presidency.
also with all the craziness that is politics ya gotta wonder at what level is Bush still involved I mean as far as this war we can't seem to get out of.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the reason I ask is because of all the secrete society stuff like the skull and bones that a lot of the presidents were/are connected to also the free masons,I mean is it possible that Reagan was shot caller up till his mental collapse and is it possible that Bush is still in some way calling the shots at some level ? nothing surprises me anymore but it sure would be interesting to know things like this.
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saying 'we didnt know' or 'we werent sure' after the fact shows no balls whatsoever. it shows a dangerous complacency when it comes to the safety of the people of the united states of america.
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Believe me, I rarely give GWB the benefit of the doubt. I just really have no clue how this could have been prevented.
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Here's the thing though... to get tot the level of screening at airports we are at now, it cost A LOT of money and took a lot of created bureaucracy...
If the Bush administration and Congress got that briefing in August of 2001 that Al Qaeda was determined to attack the US, they'd have to figure out that it was going to be by commercial airliner, and even then there would be no realistic way to ramp up airport security that quickly, and no way that congress would have acted quickly enough to fund it. Remember, before 9/11, airport security was made up of private security companies that bid on and were awarded contracts at each airport.
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I'd say the content of your post is disconserting, not the nationality of the security.
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keep in mind the mindset of your average north american prior to 9/11. NONE OF US, citizen, government official, military, ever thought something like that would happen. So part of it was ignorant arrogance on all our parts.
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The last person you would need to worry about is the nationality of the airport security. They more than any others would and should be checked out as whether they would bring harm to any of us.
What should be disconcerning to you while at the airport is whether or not you are carrying anything on the plane you shouldn't. They will do their jobs just fine as long as you are doing yours.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Thats a nice sentiment, but I don't agree.
why more than any others should they be checked out as to whether they would bring any harm to us? they are Americans. just like you. they should be treated exactly the same as anyone else. not worse, not better, the same.
fucks sake. what's wrong with some of you people. educate your fucking selves.
All terrorists are Muslims except the 94% that aren't.
CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/ ... 2_2005.htm
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
the racist comments in this thread are disgusting.
Thousands of innocent lives were lost on September 11, 2001, and our hearts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones. For several hundred of the victims of 9/11, grief and sorrow has been compounded by constant suspicion, bias, hatred, and attacks on the faith they hold dear.
Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be.
Or imagine being Baraheen Ashrafi, nine months pregnant with her second child. Her husband, Mohammad Chowdhury, was a waiter at Windows of the World restaurant, on the top floors of Tower One. The morning of September 11, they prayed salaat-l-fajr (the pre-dawn prayer) together, and he went off to work. She never saw him again. Their son, Farqad, was born 48 hours after the attacks -- one of the first 9/11 orphans to be born. In an interview with CTV Canada, she relates that in the months to follow, she mourned for her husband and endured the hostility of some ignorant people around her. "When they saw me ... I'm wearing a scarf. There is a hate look."
Or consider Rahma Salie, a passenger on American Airlines #11 that crashed into the North Tower. Rahma, a Muslim of Sri Lankan origin, was traveling with her husband Michael (a convert to Islam) to attend a friend's wedding in California. Rahma was 7 months pregnant with their first child. According to the Independent UK (October 11, 2001), Rahma's name was initially put on an FBI watch list, because her "Muslim-sounding" name was on the passenger manifest, and her travel patterns were similar to those of the hijackers (she was a computer consultant living in Boston). Although her name was eventually removed from the list, several of her family members were barred from taking flights to her memorial service. Her mother, Haleema, said, "I would like everyone to know that she was a Muslim, she is a Muslim and we are victims too, of this tragic incident.”
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the mindset of your average american is a moot point when it comes to national security. but when the people supposedly protecting you are hamstrung by the attitude of who would dare attack the US on her own soil if thats the case then that is a major problem. i know i know its easy to say all this after the fact. you can say they didnt know specifics all you like and so werent sure how to act. but the point was they were warned and they chose not to do enough to counter that threat. were they looking for something so obvious it was gonna jump up and bite them on the arse???
i just think someone dropped the ball on this. i always have and i always will.
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9/11 plot was basically a needle in a stack of needles. I wish somebody could have done something it was sad, truly one of the saddest days I can remember, but the measures taken before 9/11 happened in order to stop something like it would have been seen as fascist. Basically everything in the patriot act plus some.
More importantly there is no way to stop people from attacking you, except, obviously, not doing the things they claim as the reason for attacking you. If you are going to continue those things, in this case being involved in the middle east region as well as our continued support for Israel, then you need to be prepared for everything. If that isn't how your citizens want to live, and I know that I would not want to give up civil liberties to the government in the name of protection from "evil doers", then there will be consequences. Every action has a reaction. If the Government truly wanted to protect us we would treat everyone in the middle east the same...Peace would be very attainable through not picking a side, but simply saying that war isn't an option and slapping any warring faction hard...Israel, Palestine, Iran, Syria...just treat everyone with respect and stand up for peace. I am afraid it is too late now, we have created a lot of enemies and they have VERY long memories.
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