Happy 235th Birthday to our US Marines!

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    You're doing the same exact thing you're accusing others of - lumping a group of people together whom you disagree with in the name of respect and altruism. Secondly, my comments are down the middle and not to an extreme, so I'm simply calling them as I see them... if that's "righteous" or something I suggest you take a step back as should anyone with such an extreme and over the top reaction to something so arbitrary. Lastly, albeit a nice thought to post tribute as this poster has done, it doesn't negate to the fact that others may not view it or feel the same about it. This is a forum to debate and talk about issues in which, many thoughts and beliefs from all sides of the spectrum can be mentioned - not simply the one's you agree with.

    And yes, just as Commy's comments were over the top, yours are no different.
    Godfather. wrote:
    this person come on the train to pay respect to his father and uncle and the first comment is negative and the ones to follow are the same,you people amaze me you post about how righteous you are and how bad everybody else is...so where is all this love you all talk so much about ? I have a few names for all of you but train law won't allow it so I will end it with selfish and self centered,you people disgust me.

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    keepnfaith44 wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    This is a very, very loaded and biased question. The reality is we should end policies and programs which lead to war in the future and that is all this poster is emphasizing, not the validity or altruism (or lack their of) from past engagements.
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    If you're completely against war do you think it was a mistake for the US to have participated in WW 2?
    Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

    This. :thumbup:

    Agree with war or not, sometimes it is absolutely necessary, as sad as it is. If you recall, Neville Chamberlain and the other European powers tried to appease Hitler, they tried diplomacy and it didn't work. Some men you just can't reason with. You can call the World War two refernces trite, but history has proven their relevance. There are other numerous examples history has laid in which the courage of the United States Marines and all branches has been shown.


    These are some of the bravest and most noble individuals in the world.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • keepnfaith44
    keepnfaith44 Posts: 677
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.
    keepnfaith44 wrote:
    Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

    Well I do not believe I ever said that,but I think most people could see the difference in calling Marines brutal and murderers and wishing a Father and USMC Happy Birthday r a bit different. One is extreme and mean harted the other just thought of my Dad today and what he did in his life and wanted to share with others maybe I'm made a mistake putting it on here.If you read my initial post and the others, I am not advocating War in any way and neither did my Dad, he retired from active duty right as Vietnam was starting to escalate as he knew the policies makers were too involved and it was going to turn out baddly.Obviously you want to make this something more than I attended and for that I am sorry as Today is usually a day of Great memories of a Great man, who di much more than "Kill for Money" what money? FYI, Marines do not like to be called soldiers, they are Marines, Jarheads or Leathernecks ;)
    11/5/91: Troy NY "I Just Want to SCREAM... HELLO!"
    8/4/92:Saratoga NY 4/6/94:Mass 9/13/98:CT
    8/27/2000:Saratoga NY,10/04/2000:Montreal,Canada
    04/29/03:Albany, 5/12/06:Albany NY,10/31/09:Philly,5/15/10Hartford CT

  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    keepnfaith44 wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.
    keepnfaith44 wrote:
    Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

    Well I do not believe I ever said that,but I think most people could see the difference in calling Marines brutal and murderers and wishing a Father and USMC Happy Birthday r a bit different. One is extreme and mean harted the other just thought of my Dad today and what he did in his life and wanted to share with others maybe I'm made a mistake putting it on here.If you read my initial post and the others, I am not advocating War in any way and neither did my Dad, he retired from active duty right as Vietnam was starting to escalate as he knew the policies makers were too involved and it was going to turn out baddly.Obviously you want to make this something more than I attended and for that I am sorry as Today is usually a day of Great memories of a Great man, who di much more than "Kill for Money" what money? FYI, Marines do not like to be called soldiers, they are Marines, Jarheads or Leathernecks ;)

    Your father's service is most honorable. Thank you for sharing it with us.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

    I agree with this part.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    You're doing the same exact thing you're accusing others of - lumping a group of people together whom you disagree with in the name of respect and altruism. Secondly, my comments are down the middle and not to an extreme, so I'm simply calling them as I see them... if that's "righteous" or something I suggest you take a step back as should anyone with such an extreme and over the top reaction to something so arbitrary. Lastly, albeit a nice thought to post tribute as this poster has done, it doesn't negate to the fact that others may not view it or feel the same about it. This is a forum to debate and talk about issues in which, many thoughts and beliefs from all sides of the spectrum can be mentioned - not simply the one's you agree with.

    And yes, just as Commy's comments were over the top, yours are no different.
    Godfather. wrote:
    this person come on the train to pay respect to his father and uncle and the first comment is negative and the ones to follow are the same,you people amaze me you post about how righteous you are and how bad everybody else is...so where is all this love you all talk so much about ? I have a few names for all of you but train law won't allow it so I will end it with selfish and self centered,you people disgust me.

    Godfather.

    you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

    I agree with this part.

    +1

    Godfather.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    This is what you call debate, free speech and people having opinions. Just because you don't think it's nice, care free or appreciated doesn't make it wrong.
    Godfather. wrote:
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    you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    This is what you call debate, free speech and people having opinions. Just because you don't think it's nice, care free or appreciated doesn't make it wrong.
    Godfather. wrote:
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    you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


    Godfather.

    in this case it was very disrespectful.

    Godfather.
  • keepnfaith44
    keepnfaith44 Posts: 677
    edited November 2010
    Godfather. wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

    I agree with this part.

    +1

    Godfather.
    I also think it is terrible how all our service men and woman are treated upon their arrival home wounded pyscically or emotionally, that is why I volunteer my time w/ Veterans Affairs and at our Veterans Admin. My fathers death was due to poor medical treatment at the VA hospital, clearly medical malpractice.However that does not deminish the contributions by these folks, it's a US Government disgrace, not a USMC or NAVY, ARMY or any branch of our services disgrace.To those who feel I'm am wrong or whatever you think, if you really want to make a difference PMail me and I can get you in contact w/ your local Vets Affairs office or VA Hospital and you can see for yourself and really be a righteous person.I do not do it for that reason I do it for my Dad and it makes me feel good, so I gues I'm selfish as well.

    The one good thing to come out of this is, I do see I have some Good PJ people who understand the purrpose of my post. Thanks, Electric Delta, Godfather, Bronx Bombers(will get em next year brother),BLACK35, g under p, Mikepegg44,Aerial and my buddy from FLA John, waiting on that southern tour next year I can feel the PJ & Sunshine, thanks and God Bless! SEMPER FI to you all!
    Post edited by keepnfaith44 on
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    keepnfaith44 wrote:
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    To all those who have served or are currently serving and to those who made the ultimate sacrifice, God bless you and Thank You for your service! OORAH!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw

    In special memory of Gy/Sgt William Saunders 5/23/24-9/6/88
    30 years in his Corp

    "My Uncle(25 yrs Navy retired) use to say to my Dad, Bill you know the Marine Corp is just part of the Navy and my Dad would fire back, ya the BEST part! Miss them both today and every day :cry:
    I love your tribute, it was beautiful and moving and I understand your pride and how much you miss them both.
    I'm sorry for the disrespectful way you were treated, its embarrassing, really borderline appalling that the people here would use your tribute to voice their antiwar opinions.
    Most people are antiwar, wouldn't we all love to live in bliss. Gee I can't even find loving compassionate people in everyday life, how will we ever get rid of war?
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.
    Someday when the war is in your own backyard you may be glad there are brave people who have been trained to save your sorry asses.
    Bless your Father and Uncle and all those that have served and continue to serve.
    I pray for the revelation that will lead us to fight those we should be fighting
    so there will be peace on earth someday.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    pandora wrote:
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    edited November 2010
    it's not a popular move to voice anti war opinion around here. i get that. i'm not here to be popular. believe it or not i'm speaking out so your loved ones don't get killed or maimed at some bullshit war.

    some of you may be right behind the US Government and their thirst for power at any cost, and are apparently unconcerned with actions ultimately motivated by greed and the insatiable lust for power but i'm not.

    like i've already said, and i'm sorry it's hurt your feelings, you simply cannot be against the war and say you support the troops and then want to thank them because that is one of the lamest, gutless, positions that a pacifist can take.

    and as i've already said, blindly lending support to soldiers will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the fuckers who sent them there, and who might one day want to send them somewhere else.

    i'll always support, and continue to campaign for, their need for hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return to their families and loved ones.

    pity some of you weren't as outraged by your governments actions that got you to where it is now as what you are with the people speaking out against it.

    if you were, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

    i can't thank them for serving in something i don't believe in but i am sorry for your loss. more than you could know
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Watch it all dammit....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUBYI97cUgU
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.
    I respect and understand your opinion and know you have a beautiful heart.
    We all would love a peaceful world.

    The wars are created by men that want more, more power, more money, more land, more.
    The people who serve in the forces join to protect their countries. They believe in their country, in their freedom, in protecting their loved ones, my loved ones and those being taken advantage of.

    In a perfect world we would fight the men that live only for more.
    We would be free from greed. Our forces would then not be needed.
    We are so far from a perfect world that what you are saying can not happen.
    Our world is a mess with power hungry men, and the greed is everywhere.
    Maybe someday, in the meantime I believe the people serving should not be blamed for our wars.
    They should be honored
  • Digital Twilight
    Digital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    pandora wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.

    Maybe someday, in the meantime I believe the people serving should not be blamed for our wars.
    They should be honored

    I would respectfuly disagree on that. Everyone has a choice, soldiers included and many didn't agree with the war in Iraq and would rather be imprisoned or live in exile then be in a position to conduct unjust wars (with everything that entails) or be apart of the mechanism that is working towards that end. If you begin shooting or dropping bombs on other human beings and you don't look at yourself, question it and believe in it right then what on earth does that make you? Ending lives just because your superior officer said so? Has killing become that apathetic? It's not right just because they wear a uniform.

    Of course there have been many soldiers who have given their lives for just causes and many have done good work outside of the combat zone and they should be applauded as I believe the original point of this thread was.
  • keepnfaith44
    keepnfaith44 Posts: 677
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.
    Read my original post I in no way advocate any War, it was about honoring my Dad and USMC, not war. I know the use of our military should be the last resort.However what is your answer, is it disband our military or go back to being a British Colony? As I have said again and again, if not for "willing participants" during WW2 the world would be a differnt place, and unless your pro-Nazi and anti-semectic, which I do not believe Europe would be a Nazi Nation w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth.The entire Pacific region including Hawaii would be under the control of Japan.You are right to dispise war, I do as well, but to not support our service men & woman is not right.
    11/5/91: Troy NY "I Just Want to SCREAM... HELLO!"
    8/4/92:Saratoga NY 4/6/94:Mass 9/13/98:CT
    8/27/2000:Saratoga NY,10/04/2000:Montreal,Canada
    04/29/03:Albany, 5/12/06:Albany NY,10/31/09:Philly,5/15/10Hartford CT

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    pandora wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    We can't blame those that choose to serve for the war that is created by the greedy and the powerful.

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.
    I respect and understand your opinion and know you have a beautiful heart.
    We all would love a peaceful world.

    The wars are created by men that want more, more power, more money, more land, more.
    The people who serve in the forces join to protect their countries. They believe in their country, in their freedom, in protecting their loved ones, my loved ones and those being taken advantage of.

    In a perfect world we would fight the men that live only for more.
    We would be free from greed. Our forces would then not be needed.
    We are so far from a perfect world that what you are saying can not happen.
    Our world is a mess with power hungry men, and the greed is everywhere.
    Maybe someday, in the meantime I believe the people serving should not be blamed for our wars.
    They should be honored
    when in the last 50 years has our freedom and our way of life ever been remotely threatened??? i am dead serious, can someone give me an example of how our way of life has been threatened???

    i love how people say they are "defending my freedom" when the only time my personal freedoms have ever been threatened was by my own government when the patriot act was passed and renewed. there is not a foreign army that can come here and take away my freedom, but my own government can take it away.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    you can't fight wars without willing participants.
    I respect and understand your opinion and know you have a beautiful heart.
    We all would love a peaceful world.

    The wars are created by men that want more, more power, more money, more land, more.
    The people who serve in the forces join to protect their countries. They believe in their country, in their freedom, in protecting their loved ones, my loved ones and those being taken advantage of.

    In a perfect world we would fight the men that live only for more.
    We would be free from greed. Our forces would then not be needed.
    We are so far from a perfect world that what you are saying can not happen.
    Our world is a mess with power hungry men, and the greed is everywhere.
    Maybe someday, in the meantime I believe the people serving should not be blamed for our wars.
    They should be honored
    when in the last 50 years has our freedom and our way of life ever been remotely threatened??? i am dead serious, can someone give me an example of how our way of life has been threatened???

    i love how people say they are "defending my freedom" when the only time my personal freedoms have ever been threatened was by my own government when the patriot act was passed and renewed. there is not a foreign army that can come here and take away my freedom, but my own government can take it away.
    totally agree with that but who is behind your government? and that is my point exactly, the true power is whom we should be fighting. The ones who profit from the war.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    pandora wrote:
    totally agree with that but who is behind your government? and that is my point exactly, the true power is whom we should be fighting. The ones who profit from the war.


    you said they were defending our freedom, and i took issue with that assertion, because it is completely bogus.

    what i want to know is specific instances in the last 50 years where our FREEDOM and our way of life has been threatened. i am asking anyone to explain to me how my freedom needs defending, how it is threatened, and how our mission in the middle east is defending my freedom.

    the only thing i can think of is the cuban missile crisis and that was defused through diplomacy, not militarily..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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