Happy 235th Birthday to our US Marines!

keepnfaith44

To all those who have served or are currently serving and to those who made the ultimate sacrifice, God bless you and Thank You for your service! OORAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw

In special memory of Gy/Sgt William Saunders 5/23/24-9/6/88
30 years in his Corp

"My Uncle(25 yrs Navy retired) use to say to my Dad, Bill you know the Marine Corp is just part of the Navy and my Dad would fire back, ya the BEST part! Miss them both today and every day

BLACK35

I for one want to say HAPPY B-DAY to the Marines. I salute to all men & women that have served and given us the freedom that we have.

g under p

Commy wrote:

235 years of brutality and murder.





getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder.

YES, even though that might be true, many Marines who are serving are NOT being brutal and committing murder. To my stepson enjoy your time serving in San Diego even though you wish you were in Afghanistan with your mates. By Serving in the Marines you are doing far better than what you were doing at home.

In it's own way the Marines has been beneficial to many who were lost and found themselves in the Corp.

Peace

mikepegg44

Commy wrote:

235 years of brutality and murder.

getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder.

I love the nice big broad brush you use, anyway you can paint my house with that

the marines have done great things, too bad you cannot see that

gimmesometruth27

i don't have a problem with the marines, but i do have a MAJOR problem with the way that they are being used the last 20 years. they are not for invading other countries unprovoked and are definitely not for nation building. they are to defend our country from foreign invaders, not to pre-emptively strike countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. actually i feel sorry for them because they are all being used like pawns in a game of chess.

if you really want to thank them, save the "rah rah rahs" and call your congressman and demand that the federal government pay to take care of those that come back maimed, paralyzed, and wracked with mental illness and PTSD and traumatic brain injury. our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have a problem with the marines, but i do have a MAJOR problem with the way that they are being used the last 20 years. they are not for invading other countries unprovoked and are definitely not for nation building. they are to defend our country from foreign invaders, not to pre-emptively strike countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. actually i feel sorry for them because they are all being used like pawns in a game of chess.

if you really want to thank them, save the "rah rah rahs" and call your congressman and demand that the federal government pay to take care of those that come back maimed, paralyzed, and wracked with mental illness and PTSD and traumatic brain injury. our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

couldn't agree more. It is terrible the way they are treated.

keepnfaith44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have a problem with the marines, but i do have a MAJOR problem with the way that they are being used the last 20 years. they are not for invading other countries unprovoked and are definitely not for nation building. they are to defend our country from foreign invaders, not to pre-emptively strike countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. actually i feel sorry for them because they are all being used like pawns in a game of chess.

if you really want to thank them, save the "rah rah rahs" and call your congressman and demand that the federal government pay to take care of those that come back maimed, paralyzed, and wracked with mental illness and PTSD and traumatic brain injury. our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

Hey friend no one understands more than me, I been there. As far as your second paragraph, I worked for Veterans Admin. & Veterans Affairs for over10 years and still volunteer my time with Veterans Admin. & Veterans Affairs assisting military family with many thing including coordinating the return and acclamation back to their post service life as for many it is all they knew since thry were 18-19 yrs old.

Thanks to those who understood the personal nature of my post, and your support for myself and our brave men and women who put themselfes in harms way for good or bad.To those not familar with USMC cabilities and role, one of the biggest assets they provide is the ability to quickly respond to humanitarian efforts and have been involed in many throughout the years, often forgotten when we are in a BAD WAR!

Immediately following the Persian Gulf conflict, the Marines sent units to assist in relief efforts following a typhoon in Bangladesh (Operation Sea Angel) and the eruption of volcano Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines (Operation Fiery Vigil).[1] In December 1992, Operation Restore Hope, bringing relief to famine-stricken Somalia, kicked off with the early morning amphibious landing of Marines from the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which was supported by 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines. More than 15,000 metric tons of food was successfully distributed from 398 different food sites in the city during the operation. The final phase of the operation involved the transition from a U.S. peacemaking force to a United Nations peacekeeping force. U.S. Marine involvement in Operation Restore Hope officially ended on April 27, 1993, when the humanitarian relief sector of Mogadishu was handed over to Pakistani Armed Forces.[1]

keepnfaith44

Commy wrote:

235 years of brutality and murder.
getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder.

I really tried to ignore your post, but I will just say a couple things. first of all my Father was the best man I ever knew and my only real hero, but not for his time in the Marines , but how he lived his life and provided the best role model of a man, a husband(never spoke an unkind word to my mother or any woman) and a father. This was a man who did not have a "brutal bone in his body". I seen him do many kind and couragous things long after he was retired from the Corp, including while in his mid 50's jump into a raging canal near our home to try and save a 6-7 yr old boy who slipped on the bank and fell in, I was about the same age and knew the boy, my father your brutal killer would not get out of the canal until rescue services came made him fearing for his safety(as I was) nearly 30 mins later and continued to search the bnaks for the boy for hours until he found his body along the bank and carried him up a hill and brought his body to his parents. There were mnay other much younger men who stood and watched my father, only one, a Vietnam era Marine who dove in to help my Dad, I lost much respect for many of these men who were mostly relatives of my mothers family. I could go on, but I will not.

aerial

Thank you Marines and Happy Birthday!

TriumphantAngel

i am completely against war. how can you be against the war and say you support the troops and then want to thank them? that is one of the lamest, gutless, positions that a pacifist can take. kinda the same as if the one damn lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest, but to remember to throw a parade afterward.

i'm also pretty damn sure that the majority of soldiers are good guys, and yep i understand that nearly everyone knows someone and cares for someone who is caught up in the conflicts. where do you draw the line. do you say well i should shut my mouth because i don't want to offend g_under_p (one of my favorite posters whom i have much respect for), or do you say how you feel? please don't jump to conclusions. there is no way that i would ever wish any harm to anyone in the military. quite the opposite. want them home safely and sooner rather than later.

i have no problem with people who were in favour of the Iraq war, supporting the troops. If you think invading Iraq was a good idea, then by all means, support away. just don't tell others that they are an asshat for thinking/feeling like they do. (using Iraq as a an example).

blindly lending support to soldiers will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the fuckers who sent them there, and who might one day want to send them somewhere else.

i'll always support, and continue to campaign for, their need for hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return to their families and loved ones.

you can't fight wars without willing participants.


no more war.

cajunkiwi

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have a problem with the marines, but i do have a MAJOR problem with the way that they are being used the last 20 years. they are not for invading other countries unprovoked and are definitely not for nation building. they are to defend our country from foreign invaders, not to pre-emptively strike countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. actually i feel sorry for them because they are all being used like pawns in a game of chess.

if you really want to thank them, save the "rah rah rahs" and call your congressman and demand that the federal government pay to take care of those that come back maimed, paralyzed, and wracked with mental illness and PTSD and traumatic brain injury. our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

I still have trouble wrapping my head around the problem of homeless vets... I can't believe a country would send its youth off to war and then just ignore them when they got home. It's ridiculous.

gimmesometruth27

our government uses them as a means to an end and throws them away, just like you or i would use a plane ticket.

keepnfaith44

aerial wrote:

Commy wrote:

235 years of brutality and murder.





getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder.

Didn't your momma ever tell you "If you can't say something nice, shut the hell up!

Thank you Marines and Happy Birthday!

Mine did and I listened because that is how I was raised! Thanks
I did not want this to be a big War/Anti War post more just a personel acknowledgement to my Dad and others I have known or come to know, and this day was like Christmass at my house my Mom &Dad would get all dressed up and go to Marine Corp Ball. Most every Marine or military man/woman I have met through my Dad or my work w/ Veteran's Affairs is most definetly against going to War, but for not men like my Dad and uncle the world would be very different. Hawaii & most of the Pacific would be ruled by Japan, and Europe would be a Nazi state and a whole race of people would be wiped off the map.So War is terrible &brutal, but not the men/woman who have the courage to put themselves in harms way for others. you want to beat on or government leaders for making some awlful decision be my quest, that is what is special about our country!

keepnfaith44

Electric_Delta wrote:

Commy wrote:

235 years of brutality and murder.





getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder.

You really don't get it at all.

Your right on, a lot of people see life as they choose and have no concept of history, and to say "
"235 years of brutality and murder. & getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder" is so disrespectful & so inaccurate too so many Great men & woman that made this country what it is today/not perfect, but we are damn lucky to have had the Marines for 235 years! Our Government has made a mess of the 2 conflicts going on now, one by not being prepared for what so many in our intelligence agencies warned going back to late 80's through 90's and then doing to little to late(Afghanistan) to really achieve the goal of capturing/killing Bin Laden and Iraq, need a say more :x

FiveB247x

This is a very, very loaded and biased question. The reality is we should end policies and programs which lead to war in the future and that is all this poster is emphasizing, not the validity or altruism (or lack their of) from past engagements.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

If you're completely against war do you think it was a mistake for the US to have participated in WW 2?

FiveB247x

I agree that anyone shouldn't jump to either extreme whether it's the best case scenario or worst. People earn respect by actions, not by an occupation.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Your right on, a lot of people see life as they choose and have no concept of history, and to say "
"235 years of brutality and murder. & getting paid to kill does not change that fact you are still committing murder" is so disrespectful & so inaccurate too so many Great men & woman that made this country what it is today/not perfect, but we are damn lucky to have had the Marines for 235 years! Our Government has made a mess of the 2 conflicts going on now, one by not being prepared for what so many in our intelligence agencies warned going back to late 80's through 90's and then doing to little to late(Afghanistan) to really achieve the goal of capturing/killing Bin Laden and Iraq, need a say more :x

keepnfaith44

FiveB247x wrote:

This is a very, very loaded and biased question. The reality is we should end policies and programs which lead to war in the future and that is all this poster is emphasizing, not the validity or altruism (or lack their of) from past engagements.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

If you're completely against war do you think it was a mistake for the US to have participated in WW 2?

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

Godfather.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

To all those who have served or are currently serving and to those who made the ultimate sacrifice, God bless you and Thank You for your service! OORAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw

In special memory of Gy/Sgt William Saunders 5/23/24-9/6/88
30 years in his Corp

"My Uncle(25 yrs Navy retired) use to say to my Dad, Bill you know the Marine Corp is just part of the Navy and my Dad would fire back, ya the BEST part! Miss them both today and every day

:thumbup:

Godfather.

FiveB247x

Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

this person come on the train to pay respect to his father and uncle and the first comment is negative and the ones to follow are the same,you people amaze me you post about how righteous you are and how bad everybody else is...so where is all this love you all talk so much about ? I have a few names for all of you but train law won't allow it so I will end it with selfish and self centered,you people disgust me.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

keepnfaith44 wrote:

To all those who have served or are currently serving and to those who made the ultimate sacrifice, God bless you and Thank You for your service! OORAH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw

In special memory of Gy/Sgt William Saunders 5/23/24-9/6/88
30 years in his Corp

"My Uncle(25 yrs Navy retired) use to say to my Dad, Bill you know the Marine Corp is just part of the Navy and my Dad would fire back, ya the BEST part! Miss them both today and every day

Dude, I appreciate the hard work your family has put forth.

FiveB247x

You're doing the same exact thing you're accusing others of - lumping a group of people together whom you disagree with in the name of respect and altruism. Secondly, my comments are down the middle and not to an extreme, so I'm simply calling them as I see them... if that's "righteous" or something I suggest you take a step back as should anyone with such an extreme and over the top reaction to something so arbitrary. Lastly, albeit a nice thought to post tribute as this poster has done, it doesn't negate to the fact that others may not view it or feel the same about it. This is a forum to debate and talk about issues in which, many thoughts and beliefs from all sides of the spectrum can be mentioned - not simply the one's you agree with.

And yes, just as Commy's comments were over the top, yours are no different.

Godfather. wrote:

this person come on the train to pay respect to his father and uncle and the first comment is negative and the ones to follow are the same,you people amaze me you post about how righteous you are and how bad everybody else is...so where is all this love you all talk so much about ? I have a few names for all of you but train law won't allow it so I will end it with selfish and self centered,you people disgust me.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta

keepnfaith44 wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

This is a very, very loaded and biased question. The reality is we should end policies and programs which lead to war in the future and that is all this poster is emphasizing, not the validity or altruism (or lack their of) from past engagements.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

If you're completely against war do you think it was a mistake for the US to have participated in WW 2?

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

This. :thumbup:

Agree with war or not, sometimes it is absolutely necessary, as sad as it is. If you recall, Neville Chamberlain and the other European powers tried to appease Hitler, they tried diplomacy and it didn't work. Some men you just can't reason with. You can call the World War two refernces trite, but history has proven their relevance. There are other numerous examples history has laid in which the courage of the United States Marines and all branches has been shown.


These are some of the bravest and most noble individuals in the world.

keepnfaith44

FiveB247x wrote:

Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

Well I do not believe I ever said that,but I think most people could see the difference in calling Marines brutal and murderers and wishing a Father and USMC Happy Birthday r a bit different. One is extreme and mean harted the other just thought of my Dad today and what he did in his life and wanted to share with others maybe I'm made a mistake putting it on here.If you read my initial post and the others, I am not advocating War in any way and neither did my Dad, he retired from active duty right as Vietnam was starting to escalate as he knew the policies makers were too involved and it was going to turn out baddly.Obviously you want to make this something more than I attended and for that I am sorry as Today is usually a day of Great memories of a Great man, who di much more than "Kill for Money" what money? FYI, Marines do not like to be called soldiers, they are Marines, Jarheads or Leathernecks

Electric_Delta

keepnfaith44 wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Yes it is an over the top comment, but to me it is no different from saying soldiers for 235 years all deserve respect and did everything in some nostalgic and altruistic manner. Both are extreme stances on the topic just at polar ends of the spectrum.

keepnfaith44 wrote:

Meaning no disrespect as I started post to honor my Dad and his service to his country and his beloved Marine Corp. I agree w/about 90% of what is being said, but the person who said "235 years of brutality and Murder" or something to that degree is out of line.#2 if we did not enter ww2 the world would be a different place if someone thinks having a Nazi ruled Europe w/ a whole ethnic group wiped from face of earth is better than what we have now, well they are far worst than men who stood and protected the US and many other countries during WW2.

Well I do not believe I ever said that,but I think most people could see the difference in calling Marines brutal and murderers and wishing a Father and USMC Happy Birthday r a bit different. One is extreme and mean harted the other just thought of my Dad today and what he did in his life and wanted to share with others maybe I'm made a mistake putting it on here.If you read my initial post and the others, I am not advocating War in any way and neither did my Dad, he retired from active duty right as Vietnam was starting to escalate as he knew the policies makers were too involved and it was going to turn out baddly.Obviously you want to make this something more than I attended and for that I am sorry as Today is usually a day of Great memories of a Great man, who di much more than "Kill for Money" what money? FYI, Marines do not like to be called soldiers, they are Marines, Jarheads or Leathernecks

Your father's service is most honorable. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

I agree with this part.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

You're doing the same exact thing you're accusing others of - lumping a group of people together whom you disagree with in the name of respect and altruism. Secondly, my comments are down the middle and not to an extreme, so I'm simply calling them as I see them... if that's "righteous" or something I suggest you take a step back as should anyone with such an extreme and over the top reaction to something so arbitrary. Lastly, albeit a nice thought to post tribute as this poster has done, it doesn't negate to the fact that others may not view it or feel the same about it. This is a forum to debate and talk about issues in which, many thoughts and beliefs from all sides of the spectrum can be mentioned - not simply the one's you agree with.

And yes, just as Commy's comments were over the top, yours are no different.

Godfather. wrote:

this person come on the train to pay respect to his father and uncle and the first comment is negative and the ones to follow are the same,you people amaze me you post about how righteous you are and how bad everybody else is...so where is all this love you all talk so much about ? I have a few names for all of you but train law won't allow it so I will end it with selfish and self centered,you people disgust me.

Godfather.

you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


Godfather.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

I agree with this part.

+1

Godfather.

FiveB247x

This is what you call debate, free speech and people having opinions. Just because you don't think it's nice, care free or appreciated doesn't make it wrong.

Godfather. wrote:

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you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


Godfather.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

This is what you call debate, free speech and people having opinions. Just because you don't think it's nice, care free or appreciated doesn't make it wrong.

Godfather. wrote:

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you're not getting it man, this person came on to pay respect to their father and uncle and gets shit on.


Godfather.

in this case it was very disrespectful.

Godfather.

keepnfaith44

Godfather. wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

our marines deserve better than what they are getting. if the government can pay to send them into harm's way they had better damn well pay to take care of them when they get home.

I agree with this part.

+1

Godfather.

I also think it is terrible how all our service men and woman are treated upon their arrival home wounded pyscically or emotionally, that is why I volunteer my time w/ Veterans Affairs and at our Veterans Admin. My fathers death was due to poor medical treatment at the VA hospital, clearly medical malpractice.However that does not deminish the contributions by these folks, it's a US Government disgrace, not a USMC or NAVY, ARMY or any branch of our services disgrace.To those who feel I'm am wrong or whatever you think, if you really want to make a difference PMail me and I can get you in contact w/ your local Vets Affairs office or VA Hospital and you can see for yourself and really be a righteous person.I do not do it for that reason I do it for my Dad and it makes me feel good, so I gues I'm selfish as well.

The one good thing to come out of this is, I do see I have some Good PJ people who understand the purrpose of my post. Thanks, Electric Delta, Godfather, Bronx Bombers(will get em next year brother),BLACK35, g under p, Mikepegg44,Aerial and my buddy from FLA John, waiting on that southern tour next year I can feel the PJ & Sunshine, thanks and God Bless! SEMPER FI to you all!