Letting noncitizens vote?????

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Getting your information from that box of fear that is always on in your living room... no wonder you freak out.
    This guy... **may** be able to vote in Portland, Maine for Portland, Maine's Mayor, City Council and local propositions that only pertain to Portland, Maine... he cannot invade your fear stricken neighborhood and and elect Hugo Chavez for President. As a tax paying resident for the past 13 years... what's that battle cry of the Tea Party... 'No Taxation Without Representation'? How about we grant him tax exempt status... would thay make you happy?
    Besides, what is the typical (American citizen) voter turnout in local elections... 15%?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?


    What part of my answer wasn't clear?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?


    What part of my answer wasn't clear?
    i asked you a question.i think i know what the answer is though. what is so offensive about my post to you?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Offensive? Um not to me.

    If they want to be part of the process they should become citizens. They should be fully invested. I fully support someone doing the right thing and becoming a citizen. They earn the right to vote.

    Or do you do your laundry with your dirty socks on?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    unsung wrote:
    Offensive? Um not to me.

    If they want to be part of the process they should become citizens. They should be fully invested. I fully support someone doing the right thing and becoming a citizen. They earn the right to vote.

    Or do you do your laundry with your dirty socks on?
    agree to disagree. you are never going to change my position on this issue.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one as well. Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    keeponrockin wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one as well. Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.
    KOR that is the difference between canada and the us. canada seems to be more open minded about immigration and accepting of immigrants in general. in the us, a portion of the population views non-citizens and sponging off of our resources and less than human. or at least inferior to "real americans" deserving NONE of the rights and priviliges as those that are citizens, natural born or otherwise...i find that very sad.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.

    I completely agree. I have been living in the UK for over 20 years, married to a british man, working and paying my taxes all these years. Yet, I am not allowed to have a say as to who will be at the head of the country and make decisions on how my tax contribution is spent, decisions that will affect me and my family, decisions about our future, etc. This is wrong. Oh... and I'm not after British citizenship, just a say on how the government runs the country.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    unsung wrote:
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.


    you say your a libertarian but your stances on immigration clearly counteract this...

    your nothing but a republican... just like sarah palin
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    redrock wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.

    I completely agree. I have been living in the UK for over 20 years, married to a british man, working and paying my taxes all these years. Yet, I am not allowed to have a say as to who will be at the head of the country and make decisions on how my tax contribution is spent, decisions that will affect me and my family, decisions about our future, etc. This is wrong. Oh... and I'm not after British citizenship, just a say on how the government runs the country.

    Why would you not want to become a citizen of the UK if you have been living there for 20 years? I am just wondering why you want to hang on to your American citizenship when you do not live in America.

    None Americans voting in America is insane.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    satansbed wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.


    you say your a libertarian but your stances on immigration clearly counteract this...

    your nothing but a republican... just like sarah palin

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    aerial wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.

    I completely agree. I have been living in the UK for over 20 years, married to a british man, working and paying my taxes all these years. Yet, I am not allowed to have a say as to who will be at the head of the country and make decisions on how my tax contribution is spent, decisions that will affect me and my family, decisions about our future, etc. This is wrong. Oh... and I'm not after British citizenship, just a say on how the government runs the country.

    Why would you not want to become a citizen of the UK if you have been living there for 20 years? I am just wondering why you want to hang on to your American citizenship when you do not live in America.

    None Americans voting in America is insane.

    First of all, I have dual citizenship American/French. And why should I relinquish my birth rights? I don't live and work in the US (or France) but I have done so in the past and may do so in the future and therefore keep my voting rights as laws in these countries still have an impact on my daughter and I.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    I agree it is a birth right. Why should Americans give just anyone a birthright that they are not qualified to receive? Yet they can earn that right if they would like to. Yes, it is a hassle but so is getting a drivers license these days.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    aerial wrote:
    satansbed wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.


    you say your a libertarian but your stances on immigration clearly counteract this...

    your nothing but a republican... just like sarah palin

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    "Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others" and that, "Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property--rights that people have naturally, before governments are created.

    however

    A University of Washington poll of 1,695 registered voters in the State of Washington reported that 73% of Tea Party supporters disapprove of Obama's policy of engaging with Muslim countries, 88% approve of the controversial immigration law recently enacted in Arizona, 82% do not believe that gay and lesbian couples should have the legal right to marry, and that about 52% believed that "lesbians and gays have too much political power."

    More than half (52%) of Tea Party supporters told pollsters for CBS/New York Times that they think their own "income taxes this year are fair." Additionally, a Bloomberg News poll found that Tea Partiers are not against increased government action in all cases. “The ideas that find nearly universal agreement among Tea Party supporters are rather vague,” says J. Ann Selzer, the pollster who created the survey. “You would think any idea that involves more government action would be anathema, and that is just not the case.”

    Seventy percent want the federal government to aid in job creation. Also, nearly half think the government should limit Wall Street executive bonuses, according to the nationwide poll which was conducted between March 19 and March 22, 2010.
    Many of the movement's members also hold conservative views on social issues such as illegal immigration.


    this is for the most part the oppisate of libertarianism, the tea party use libertarianism like religous fundamentalists use the bible, in that they only use the bits that suit them
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    aerial wrote:
    I agree it is a birth right. Why should Americans give just anyone a birthright that they are not qualified to receive? Yet they can earn that right if they would like to. Yes, it is a hassle but so is getting a drivers license these days.

    I don't think anyone is speaking about giving anything to just anyone. Don't you think that someone who is living in the US, has a job, a family, contributes to the economy, participates in the community and, most importantly, pays taxes has earned a right to have a say in things that will have an impact on him/her and his /her family? Like in any country, the US has enough 'citizens' who don't contribute anything to the economy or the community and have that right (which, most probably, they don't use).

    I'm not saying any ol' Tom, Dick or Harry should have the right to vote but those that are 'good citizens' in every way but status should. There are a number of reasons one may not choose to become american (ie officially request an american passport), being a full member of the society not being one.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    satansbed wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.


    you say your a libertarian but your stances on immigration clearly counteract this...

    your nothing but a republican... just like sarah palin


    Well I know the difference between "your" and "you're".

    I also know "you're" wrong.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So what do you guys think about this?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10 ... -citizens/
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    satansbed wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.


    you say your a libertarian but your stances on immigration clearly counteract this...

    your nothing but a republican... just like sarah palin

    Oh and BTW you are wrong about the Arizona law. Federal policy set by the Constitution concerns Naturalization. Immigration policy is a State policy. The 10th Amendment says,"that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people."

    Therefore is up to the State to determine its immigration policy.

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