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Letting noncitizens vote?????

acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
edited October 2010 in A Moving Train
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10 ... zens-vote/

Please tell me where it ends?
Do any of you Liberals believe anyone on the planet should be able to come and go in the U.S. as they please and get all the rights we get just because they live here? Even though they do so illegally?

Its just not right...
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    acoustic guy wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/24/states-weigh-letting-noncitizens-vote/

    Please tell me where it ends?
    Do any of you Liberals believe anyone on the planet should be able to come and go in the U.S. as they please and get all the rights we get just because they live here? Even though they do so illegally?

    Its just not right...
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.
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  • maj4emaj4e Posts: 605
    from the article "legal immigrants who are city residents"
    There is a huge difference between a legal green card carrying resident and an illegal alien.

    Calm down with the righteous indignation
  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    maj4e wrote:
    from the article "legal immigrants who are city residents"
    There is a huge difference between a legal green card carrying resident and an illegal alien.

    Calm down with the righteous indignation
    Its only the first step. Next thing you know its anyone who walks the streets in the U.S.
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i love this reason to be against it...

    taken from the article...

    "My primary objection is I don't think it is right, I don't think it is just, I don't think it is fair," Portland resident Barbara Campbell Harvey said.

    now i am convinced :roll:


    it is for elections on a LOCAL level, nothing statewide or federal...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hell NO !!! they shouldn't even be here unless they're legal....theres an idea, when they come to the poles to vote arrest them and deport their butts. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    it is for elections on a LOCAL level, nothing statewide or federal...

    This is why it's ok with me...

    if you are a legal city resident, paying taxes, etc etc etc, then you should have a voice in your local or city government. You could own a business... your kids go to city schools, etc... you should have some input.

    I don't believe that non-citizens should be able to vote in federal elections, but I'd have to think about state elections...
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Godfather. wrote:
    hell NO !!! they shouldn't even be here unless they're legal....theres an idea, when they come to the poles to vote arrest them and deport their butts. :lol:

    Godfather.

    but they are legal................

    in fairness your better than that :roll:
  • arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    Godfather. wrote:
    when they come to the poles

    I don't understand why you oppose immigrants working as strippers... they're just taking jobs that Americans don't want :roll:
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    arthurdent wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    when they come to the poles

    I don't understand why you oppose immigrants working as strippers... they're just taking jobs that Americans don't want :roll:

    Strippers ????? :lol: ask your wife or girl friend what they think of that. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    acoustic guy wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    from the article "legal immigrants who are city residents"
    There is a huge difference between a legal green card carrying resident and an illegal alien.

    Calm down with the righteous indignation
    Its only the first step. Next thing you know its anyone who walks the streets in the U.S.

    Because once you allow legal residents to have a say in what their local municipal governments do, of course the completely logical next step is to give illegal immigrants and tourists the right to vote for the U.S. president. :roll:
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".

    You do know there's a big difference between "legal resident" and "tourist" right? It takes a freaking long time to become a legal resident - it's a several year process, during which time you've paid Uncle Sam taxes, as well as paying the U.S. government several thousand dollars worth of fees.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".

    You do know there's a big difference between "legal resident" and "tourist" right? It takes a freaking long time to become a legal resident - it's a several year process, during which time you've paid Uncle Sam taxes, as well as paying the U.S. government several thousand dollars worth of fees.


    Yeah, umm....it was suposed to be an unfunny joke.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    edited October 2010
    acoustic guy wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    from the article "legal immigrants who are city residents"
    There is a huge difference between a legal green card carrying resident and an illegal alien.

    Calm down with the righteous indignation
    Its only the first step. Next thing you know its anyone who walks the streets in the U.S.
    Let me ask you this. My mom's Canadian, my dad's American. When we lived in the US, my mom was a legal resident who worked and paid taxes. I believe she should've had a say to where her taxes go. I feel the same about my dad who's an American and couldn't vote in the Canadian municipal election. What do you think?
    Post edited by keeponrockin on
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited October 2010
    blackredyellow wrote:
    This is why it's ok with me...

    if you are a legal city resident, paying taxes, etc etc etc, then you should have a voice in your local or city government. You could own a business... your kids go to city schools, etc... you should have some input.

    I don't believe that non-citizens should be able to vote in federal elections, but I'd have to think about state elections...

    As long as someone is legally resident, works, pays taxes and contributes fully to the community and economy, this person should have the right to vote in ALL elections as federal laws and rules apply to them as well.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".

    You do know there's a big difference between "legal resident" and "tourist" right? It takes a freaking long time to become a legal resident - it's a several year process, during which time you've paid Uncle Sam taxes, as well as paying the U.S. government several thousand dollars worth of fees.

    It's a 2-5 year arduous process and just weed through a mountain of paperwork one must hire a immigration lawyer so that it doesn't last past 5 years.

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  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".

    You do know there's a big difference between "legal resident" and "tourist" right? It takes a freaking long time to become a legal resident - it's a several year process, during which time you've paid Uncle Sam taxes, as well as paying the U.S. government several thousand dollars worth of fees.


    Yeah, umm....it was suposed to be an unfunny joke.

    Maybe elections should be like the BCS...

    Well, 73% of foreigners voted for Candidate X, but since their vote counts for only 20%, that'll be hard to overcome the computer polls who clearly favor Candidate Y based on his margin of victory in the primary...
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    g under p wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Just imagine what this could do for tourism during election year. People from all around can come to America to decide who "THEY" want as a leader for "US".

    You do know there's a big difference between "legal resident" and "tourist" right? It takes a freaking long time to become a legal resident - it's a several year process, during which time you've paid Uncle Sam taxes, as well as paying the U.S. government several thousand dollars worth of fees.

    It's a 2-5 year arduous process and just weed through a mountain of paperwork one must hire a immigration lawyer so that it doesn't last past 5 years.

    Peace

    Yep - I finished that "arduous process" not too long ago. I would say I never want to fill out another form in triplicate again, but I know I'll have to if I want citizenship :lol:
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • bgivens33bgivens33 Posts: 290
    keeponrockin wrote:
    acoustic guy wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    from the article "legal immigrants who are city residents"
    There is a huge difference between a legal green card carrying resident and an illegal alien.

    Calm down with the righteous indignation
    Its only the first step. Next thing you know its anyone who walks the streets in the U.S.
    Let me ask you this. My mom's Canadian, my dad's American. When we lived in the US, my mom was a legal resident who worked and paid taxes. I believe she should've had a say to where her taxes go. I feel the same about my dad who's an American and couldn't vote in the Canadian municipal election. What do you think?

    I'd say she should have your dad write his congressman and petition to get the constitution amended...
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Getting your information from that box of fear that is always on in your living room... no wonder you freak out.
    This guy... **may** be able to vote in Portland, Maine for Portland, Maine's Mayor, City Council and local propositions that only pertain to Portland, Maine... he cannot invade your fear stricken neighborhood and and elect Hugo Chavez for President. As a tax paying resident for the past 13 years... what's that battle cry of the Tea Party... 'No Taxation Without Representation'? How about we grant him tax exempt status... would thay make you happy?
    Besides, what is the typical (American citizen) voter turnout in local elections... 15%?
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?


    What part of my answer wasn't clear?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    what is the problem if they are allowed to vote in LOCAL elections only? they live here and went through the process of establishing legal status and they pay taxes. their children are educated in our schools, why should they not have a voice in the local govenment? it is not for statewide or national elections...what exactly is your problem with this?


    What part of my answer wasn't clear?
    i asked you a question.i think i know what the answer is though. what is so offensive about my post to you?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Offensive? Um not to me.

    If they want to be part of the process they should become citizens. They should be fully invested. I fully support someone doing the right thing and becoming a citizen. They earn the right to vote.

    Or do you do your laundry with your dirty socks on?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    Offensive? Um not to me.

    If they want to be part of the process they should become citizens. They should be fully invested. I fully support someone doing the right thing and becoming a citizen. They earn the right to vote.

    Or do you do your laundry with your dirty socks on?
    agree to disagree. you are never going to change my position on this issue.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one as well. Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    keeponrockin wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I agree.
    However, I think if one is a taxpaying, permanent legal resident, they should be allowed. Just my $0.02.

    I disagree. Attaining the right to vote should be incentive to gain citizenship.
    I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one as well. Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.
    KOR that is the difference between canada and the us. canada seems to be more open minded about immigration and accepting of immigrants in general. in the us, a portion of the population views non-citizens and sponging off of our resources and less than human. or at least inferior to "real americans" deserving NONE of the rights and priviliges as those that are citizens, natural born or otherwise...i find that very sad.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Provided you are in the country LEGALLY and pay taxes, I think you should have a say where that money goes. I don't think my dad (an American citizen) is a less valuable member of Canadian society because he's not a citizen of the country.

    I completely agree. I have been living in the UK for over 20 years, married to a british man, working and paying my taxes all these years. Yet, I am not allowed to have a say as to who will be at the head of the country and make decisions on how my tax contribution is spent, decisions that will affect me and my family, decisions about our future, etc. This is wrong. Oh... and I'm not after British citizenship, just a say on how the government runs the country.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    How many illegal aliens are in Canada?

    I'm guessing it isn't quite the same as the US.

    Apples to oranges.
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