Screw Free Speech

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Wow! Hunter’s laptop is back! Maybe the repubs can run on that? Again? I thought CCOOTWH was going to get to the heart of that matter and Hunter would be in jail?

 The topic was what information has the government censored.
Do you think Zuckerberg was lying when he said he was pressured to censor stories relating to the laptop? Either he was lying about it, or that information was censored.

honestly, I don't believe a word those techbros say. They all have a big agenda. 

That’s fair. But the stories were taken down. Social media really did censor the stories and stop the original links from being shared. So either they just did it own their own because they felt like it, or they were pressured into it. Seems more plausible to me they were pressured, than if they just decided to, then lie about it and blame the same people they chose to protect on their own.
In my view the only difference is the left was smart enough to do it behind closed doors instead of right in the open.

PJ_Soul

Probably we should talk about all the corporate stooges willing to censor things at the request/bribery/blackmail of the government for that government's own interests a little bit more. 

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Wow! Hunter’s laptop is back! Maybe the repubs can run on that? Again? I thought CCOOTWH was going to get to the heart of that matter and Hunter would be in jail?

 The topic was what information has the government censored.
Do you think Zuckerberg was lying when he said he was pressured to censor stories relating to the laptop? Either he was lying about it, or that information was censored.

considering he is a gop lapdog, he likely committed perjury here.

tbergs

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

mace1229

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

You made some bold claims. Care to follow your advice?
Provide evidence that zuckerberg and Roth Gadde of Twitter lied. They are on record as saying they felt pressured to censor stories. Care to provide evidence they didn't?  Or just want to make claims and tell people to shut up who don't agree with you?

tbergs

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

You made some bold claims. Care to follow your advice?
Provide evidence that zuckerberg and Roth Gadde of Twitter lied. They are on record as saying they felt pressured to censor stories. Care to provide evidence they didn't?  Or just want to make claims and tell people to shut up who don't agree with you?

My shut up was directed at the tech bros, not anyone here. I stand by my statements.

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

You made some bold claims. Care to follow your advice?
Provide evidence that zuckerberg and Roth Gadde of Twitter lied. They are on record as saying they felt pressured to censor stories. Care to provide evidence they didn't?  Or just want to make claims and tell people to shut up who don't agree with you?

My shut up was directed at the tech bros, not anyone here. I stand by my statements.

Sorry, I thought you were directing it at me. 

They made those states before the last election. So doesn't seem entirely unreasonable it was true. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

You made some bold claims. Care to follow your advice?
Provide evidence that zuckerberg and Roth Gadde of Twitter lied. They are on record as saying they felt pressured to censor stories. Care to provide evidence they didn't?  Or just want to make claims and tell people to shut up who don't agree with you?

My shut up was directed at the tech bros, not anyone here. I stand by my statements.

Sorry, I thought you were directing it at me. 

They made those states before the last election. So doesn't seem entirely unreasonable it was true. 

Receipts are required

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

That's the main thing going on right now. You can't believe a fucking thing these people say because they are seeking favor from that narcissistic asshole.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

That's the main thing going on right now. You can't believe a fucking thing these people say because they are seeking favor from that narcissistic asshole.

I would agree if the first we heard of it was after the election. But why would they make that up back in 2022?

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

That's the main thing going on right now. You can't believe a fucking thing these people say because they are seeking favor from that narcissistic asshole.

I would agree if the first we heard of it was after the election. But why would they make that up back in 2022?

I don't think they were making it up...I think they are now blowing it out of proportion.

From my memory there were a few things going on:
1. Covid misinformation....how is it wrong to confront these social media apps and ask them to tone down misinformation?
2. Along the misinformation lines...The Hunter Biden shit was probably more of a legal warning (i.e. libel) because there was all kinds of bullshit being thrown around.

Gern Blansten

trump uses the same "misinformation" argument but he isn't arguing against misinformation that might harm the public, he's going after stories that reflect how shitty of a human being he is

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

trump uses the same "misinformation" argument but he isn't arguing against misinformation that might harm the public, he's going after stories that reflect how shitty of a human being he is

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Just wait until you get your MedBed card. It’ll transform your health.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

That's the main thing going on right now. You can't believe a fucking thing these people say because they are seeking favor from that narcissistic asshole.

I would agree if the first we heard of it was after the election. But why would they make that up back in 2022?

I don't think they were making it up...I think they are now blowing it out of proportion.

From my memory there were a few things going on:
1. Covid misinformation....how is it wrong to confront these social media apps and ask them to tone down misinformation?
2. Along the misinformation lines...The Hunter Biden shit was probably more of a legal warning (i.e. libel) because there was all kinds of bullshit being thrown around.

It wasn't legal reasons. The FBI said the laptop was Russian misinformation, even after they had confirmed it was real. They warned allowing stories of the laptop to spread would fall under spreading misinformation in an attempt of a foreign country to interfere with our election, even though they knew it was not true. So the social media platforms felt pressured to not allow that story to be shared. The original NY Post story was taken down on some of the platforms as a result of the FBI statements. 
Now, I don't think the FBI ever called Zuckerberg and said "you better take it down or else...." and I don't think he ever claimed that. But he did say the false statements made by the FBI made him feel pressured to take it down, they were openly being told it was a Russian hoax when it wasn't and it influenced the censorship of materials. 

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

The more time passes, the easier it is to gaslight and adjust reality with what really happened to the point you can't prove or disprove if/when something was actually censored. I remember this same conversation years ago when it was actively being suggested and people posting the numerous stories being run about it. There were also news organizations that declined to run the bullshit because it didn't pass their vetting process for journalistic integrity based on the non-existent sources, but sure the Biden admin pressured Zuck, or he gets what he wants by saying that now because he's seeking favor on his knees for this POS president. They're all snakes. Provide the evidence or shut up.

That's the main thing going on right now. You can't believe a fucking thing these people say because they are seeking favor from that narcissistic asshole.

I would agree if the first we heard of it was after the election. But why would they make that up back in 2022?

I don't think they were making it up...I think they are now blowing it out of proportion.

From my memory there were a few things going on:
1. Covid misinformation....how is it wrong to confront these social media apps and ask them to tone down misinformation?
2. Along the misinformation lines...The Hunter Biden shit was probably more of a legal warning (i.e. libel) because there was all kinds of bullshit being thrown around.

It wasn't legal reasons. The FBI said the laptop was Russian misinformation, even after they had confirmed it was real. They warned allowing stories of the laptop to spread would fall under spreading misinformation in an attempt of a foreign country to interfere with our election, even though they knew it was not true. So the social media platforms felt pressured to not allow that story to be shared. The original NY Post story was taken down on some of the platforms as a result of the FBI statements. 
Now, I don't think the FBI ever called Zuckerberg and said "you better take it down or else...." and I don't think he ever claimed that. But he did say the false statements made by the FBI made him feel pressured to take it down, they were openly being told it was a Russian hoax when it wasn't and it influenced the censorship of materials. 

So...you have a source that reflects the FBI saying that directly? Are you sure you aren't misinterpreting that or utilizing a questionable source?

hunterh75

I'm back from being banned for my freedom of speech violation and officially reinstated. I cried a little bit like Kimmel when I got the email saying I could back and participate in the Anti Everything forum. Missed you fellas. Now, get back to making me laugh. Chop chop

Halifax2TheMax

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

The FBI never said the laptop was “Russian misinformation.” They said it had the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign and noted 5 decision points that said the American people need to and deserve to know that they should take it with a grain of salt. Add that the provenance of the data and chain of control of the hard drive is suspect, you can see why. Add in that the NY Post wouldn’t share access to the hard drive/data with other news outlets and you can see or at least you should be able to see that it’s highly suspect. Not that it wasn’t Hunter’s laptop, not that it didn’t have pictures of his junk and crack habit and prostitutes, but that the alleged emails with Burisma purporting to show a quid pro quo. Ghouliani and Murdick being involved should make you raise an eyebrow. Good luck in life, bahahahahahahaha!

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

Halifax2TheMax

And Politico mischaracterized the contents and context of the letter from the FBI officials stating to take it with a grain of salt.

But hey, now that narrative is real.

DE4173

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YouTube to pay $24.5 million to settle Trump lawsuit

This makes Alphabet-owned YouTube the last of the three Big Tech social media companies sued by Trump — which included Meta and then Twitter, now called X — to settle over his removal from their platforms.

Meta agreed to settle Trump’s lawsuit in January for $25 million. X’s settlement in February involved a payment of around $10 million, according to the New York Times.


https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/29/business/youtube-settle-trump-lawsuit?Date=20250929&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1759182182&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Lerxst1992

hunterh75 said:

I'm back from being banned for my freedom of speech violation and officially reinstated. I cried a little bit like Kimmel when I got the email saying I could back and participate in the Anti Everything forum. Missed you fellas. Now, get back to making me laugh. Chop chop

I bet you can’t wait to be “proven wrong” with anecdotes and whataboutisms.