5th grader turns in his parents

Hugh Freaking Dillon

if you really honestly believe that pot-smoking parents are "in the minority", it is YOU who is deluded.

DeLukin wrote:

All we can do as parents is our best - I suppose if you can honestly say that frequent recreational drug use while raising kids is your best, so be it. I'm saying your in the minority. Sorry you don't like that fact, but no amount of self-rightgeousness is going to change it. If that makes me 'judgemental' then I can accept that.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I don't get this "you broke the law, so you are a terrible person" bullshit. years ago there was prohibition. were the people that home-brewed all of a sudden, when this law came into effect, after years of legal drinking, bad parents? nope, they were just people who needed a fucking drink after a long day/week/morning. Whatever.

pot has been around since time began. it only became illegal in the 1930's. and we judge those who smoke it? preposterous.

chadwick

Paul David wrote:

I don't get this "you broke the law, so you are a terrible person" bullshit. years ago there was prohibition. were the people that home-brewed all of a sudden, when this law came into effect, after years of legal drinking, bad parents? nope, they were just people who needed a fucking drink after a long day/week/morning. Whatever.

pot has been around since time began. it only became illegal in the 1930's. and we judge those who smoke it? preposterous.

rule...

chadwick

Paul David wrote:

if you really honestly believe that pot-smoking parents are "in the minority", it is YOU who is deluded.

DeLukin wrote:

All we can do as parents is our best - I suppose if you can honestly say that frequent recreational drug use while raising kids is your best, so be it. I'm saying your in the minority. Sorry you don't like that fact, but no amount of self-rightgeousness is going to change it. If that makes me 'judgemental' then I can accept that.

you speak the truth brother, pauld
well done

redrock

Drowned Out wrote:

redrock wrote:

I'm glad you're not passing judgement, because you seem to have a very skewed perspective of how impaired marijuana makes a person. Have you ever smoked?

"whilst his parents are so stoned they can't take action?" Seriously? Are you talking about MJ here? I've repeated here ad nauseum that impairment levels from a joint are lower than that of a person with a .08% blood alcohol content. That means, if you enjoy a fair sized glass of wine with dinner (which you admit to doing), you are likely as impaired as a person who has smoked a joint.

If a person is a responsible parent AND smoker (remember these are not mutually exclusive conditions), they will not be stoned in a situation where a potential "major emergency" could occur. Why is it we can leave this responsibility to parents when it comes to legal intoxicants, but it's a problem with the illegal ones? Only because of the legality, right?

As Ive said before; I can think for myself and will encourage my kids to do the same - I do not tie morality to legality. There is a difference between right and wrong, and legal and illegal. Smoking pot is not WRONG, the laws are. I'm more concerned that my kids know right from wrong than pushing them to obey bullshit laws that I have a huge moral problem with. The line is clearly drawn between right and wrong. I dont need the government to define it for me, or them.

As I said.. no miss goody two shoes. I have smoked - a lot. But without being responsible for children. Did I say 'fair sized' glass of wine I know how cannabis can affect you as I know how alcohol affects you. MJ has an immediate effect on the part of the brain that, amongst other things, deals with initiative, thought process, concentration and processes - same effects from 4 or so units of alcohol (about two glasses of wine). And chronic/long term use of MJ does lead to long term health issues but, again, no different than alcohol, smoking cigarettes or abuse of prescription drugs, though no deaths are directly attributed to the physical effects of smoking marijuana.

Also, an emergency is what it is... not planned. So how can you say a responsible parent would not be 'under the influence' in case of emergency?

Also... you will note that in my post I didn't only mention being stoned, I also said drunk. I still believe that one should have all their wits about them, not diminished by drugs or alcohol, when in sole charge of children (young ones especially).

You have decided that smoking pot is not wrong but the law has decided it is. That is your choice. I am not debating that. The poster I was responding to was having problems seeing what was wrong about having your stash at home. I just said what was wrong is that it was illegal WHETHER ONE AGREED WITH IT OR NOT. Personally, I don't really see as the legality of smoking marijuana as a moral issue. It certainly is a social and health issue, but moral? Or criminal?

If enough people have problems with cannabis being illegal, fight to get the laws changed. Simple.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

As I said.. no miss goody two shoes. I have smoked - a lot. But without being responsible for children. Did I say 'fair sized' glass of wine I know how cannabis can affect you as I know how alcohol affects you. MJ has an immediate effect on the part of the brain that, amongst other things, deals with initiative, thought process, concentration and processes - same effects from 4 or so units of alcohol (about two glasses of wine). And chronic/long term use of MJ does lead to long term health issues but, again, no different than alcohol, smoking cigarettes or abuse of prescription drugs, though no deaths are directly attributed to the physical effects of smoking marijuana.

Also, an emergency is what it is... not planned. So how can you say a responsible parent would not be 'under the influence' in case of emergency?

Also... you will note that in my post I didn't only mention being stoned, I also said drunk. I still believe that one should have all their wits about them, not diminished by drugs or alcohol, when in sole charge of children (young ones especially).

You have decided that smoking pot is not wrong but the law has decided it is. That is your choice. I am not debating that. The poster I was responding to was having problems seeing what was wrong about having your stash at home. I just said what was wrong is that it was illegal WHETHER ONE AGREED WITH IT OR NOT. Personally, I don't really see as the legality of smoking marijuana as a moral issue. It certainly is a social and health issue, but moral? Or criminal?

If enough people have problems with cannabis being illegal, fight to get the laws changed. Simple.

weed should be decriminalized today; and it actually is, depending where one is and who the lawman or lawwoman is that busts the marijuana user(s), amount plays into this as well.

i've been set free when busted red handed.
more and more lawman/lawwoman do not give two shits about people smoking grass.
these are great law officials.
they are actually going after real criminals.

Pepe Silvia

redrock wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

It certainly isn't crystal clear to me how the parents were in the wrong when I know there is nothing wrong with smoking weed. .

What is wrong is that it is illegal (whether one agrees to that or not) and the parents were breaking the law. Simple.

Also, I don't believe in parents being high (or dead drunk) whilst having the responsibility of a child/children. OK... this one is 11 but could even an 11 year old deal with a major emergency whilst his parents are so stoned they can't take action? What if something is wrong with the kid(s) when parents are high (or, again, drunk)?

Though I'm far from a miss goody two shoes, I have not been 'under the influence' anytime I was the sole person responsible for my child. It's just the way I choose to parent - I'm not passing judgement on anyone. And I don't think I could explain to my daughter it's OK to break the law because I believe it's not right. Where do you draw the line? Which laws do you break and which ones don't you?

where do you and others stand on parents that don't wear their seat belts, text while driving, don't turn their head lights on in the rain during the day, jay walk......? or is it only certain laws that if you break make you a bad parent?

and how do we know the parents didn't wait until the kid went to bed to toke up?

Pepe Silvia

i've been to a lot of mexican restaurants that served pretty big margaritas, outback and lots of other places have really big drinks, too, what about the parents that have one of those or some wine with dinner?

what about a parent having a beer while at a sports game with their kids?

i'm sure most would say it's fine as long as you don't get wasted or too drunk to function which is what i think drowned out was saying. it's not like you take one hit of reefer and your blasted out of your skull, even with really good stuff. there are different levels of being stoned, you can still function within certain levels of them. also, i've been reaaaaaalllllllly high before and had scary situations happen, nothing involving kids, and it snapped me out of that fog pretty quickly, people call things like that a buzzkill.

if i had a child or more under my supervision i think i could react just as well as a sober parent with a lower level buzz.

redrock

Pepe Silvia wrote:

where do you and others stand on parents that don't wear their seat belts, text while driving, don't turn their head lights on in the rain during the day, jay walk......? or is it only certain laws that if you break make you a bad parent?

and how do we know the parents didn't wait until the kid went to bed to toke up?

Not wearing seatbelts :shock: Text while driving :shock: , etc. Never said anything about being a bad parent - just my way of parenting. Whether kids in bed or not makes no difference, I believe that one adult should always be fully aware (especially with young children).

But we strayed from the original idea of this thread. Where these people live, it is illegal to possess cannabis and therefore they were breaking the law (again - whether we agree to that or not), making their child part of an illegal activity, with all it's consequences. Was the youngster right or wrong to turn his parents in? I can't say and I don't think any of us here can either as we do not know the whole story. The main point though, in my opinion, the child should not have been put in a situation where turning in his parents was an option. The fault directly lies with the parents.