additionally i think 11 year olds can despite the absurd notions put forth on this board, actually be capable of intelligent brain activity. A kid can love his parents and still feel doing drugs is flat out wrong. And given that paradox, what is right? Is being a silent accompliss the right thing? Its not neccesarily an either or like you all make it out to be.
Im straight edge. yet i know and love people who use. I remember hearing about pot for the first time in kindergarten. Kids were talking about it, and I thought they meant an actual pot, like a pot that holds plants. anyways even though i had a odd idea of what it was i knew it was wrong.
I persoanlly believe if the parents are found out to be non creepy parents, and no abuse went on, and drugs werent used openly, and they told their kids drugs are not good, then they shouldnt get in trouble.
and on the other side, I dont think the kid should get in trouble, no matter what. I can think of alot worse things 11 year olds could be doing than being antidrug. Isnt that what we should want for all young kids? Its fine if they want to do it as an adult, but i think its cool the kid is militantly antidrug. i am myself
OOOH BOY! how many ways to Sunday are we going to "what if" or "I wonder" this story ?
lets take bets on the follow up story.....me first.
I'll bet the parents started cutting in on Jr's customer base so Jr. rolled em up and ratted em out. :lolno:
im sure some of the members of the rock band pearl jam smoke weed with their family & friends.
and it is most likely a very special and beautiful time for them.
they are hard working men.
what if one their kids snitched them off for smoking a spliff and relaxing poolside after a long & rigorous world tour?
funny how it is fine to be a falling down drunken prick and it's legal but one can't smoke bud without fear of the government grinding your nuts down for ya...
in fact i am not in 5th grade and it is a dream of mine to smoke with pearl jam.
I'd also like to say that anyone who can pass blanket judgement on tens of millions of people in one fell swoop, based on weed use, would not make a very good parent either.
So that's worse than the 'do as I say, not as I do' methodology that apparently you subscribe to? Or how about 'rules are rules, son, as long as you agree with them.' That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Either you're a good role model or you're not. Kids aren't stupid and if you don't think you'll severely handicap their ability to know right from wrong by breaking the law and then trying to raise them properly you're diluted.
Take them to a pro-pot rally, take them to a voting booth as you vote for pro-pot candidates, educate them on what's real vs what's Say No to Drugs propoganda, but as soon as you do it while it's still illegal your credibility as a role model is shot.
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I'd also like to say that anyone who can pass blanket judgement on tens of millions of people in one fell swoop, based on weed use, would not make a very good parent either.
So that's worse than the 'do as I say, not as I do' methodology that apparently you subscribe to? Or how about 'rules are rules, son, as long as you agree with them.' That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Either you're a good role model or you're not. Kids aren't stupid and if you don't think you'll severely handicap their ability to know right from wrong by breaking the law and then trying to raise them properly you're diluted.
Take them to a pro-pot rally, take them to a voting booth as you vote for pro-pot candidates, educate them on what's real vs what's Say No to Drugs propoganda, but as soon as you do it while it's still illegal your credibility as a role model is shot.
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you seem to be under the mistaken delusion that all laws are just.
wars are lawful and yet so very wrong. i have no problem telling my children what i think of that.
and the rule of thumb in my house is when youre 18 years old you can do whatever the hell you like. until then youre under my charge. of course if in a few years they come home drunk or stoned im hardly gonna chastise or discipline them.
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Pot use does not make a bad parent, but bad parents can be pot users…
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I'd also like to say that anyone who can pass blanket judgement on tens of millions of people in one fell swoop, based on weed use, would not make a very good parent either.
So that's worse than the 'do as I say, not as I do' methodology that apparently you subscribe to? Or how about 'rules are rules, son, as long as you agree with them.' That's ridiculous. You can't have it both ways. Either you're a good role model or you're not. Kids aren't stupid and if you don't think you'll severely handicap their ability to know right from wrong by breaking the law and then trying to raise them properly you're diluted.
Take them to a pro-pot rally, take them to a voting booth as you vote for pro-pot candidates, educate them on what's real vs what's Say No to Drugs propoganda, but as soon as you do it while it's still illegal your credibility as a role model is shot.
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Nice selective quote. From my post, the sentence preceding the one you quoted:
"If the law is the law, I guess we might as well just stick with what's on the books right now, and give up any hope of evolution"
Basically the same sentiment cate shared in response to your post.
Regardless of how hard one pushes one's morality on a kid, they WILL eventually think for themself. I'm encouraging open discussion. Taking a stance of 'legality = morality, period' is a helluva good way to ensure kids will never come to YOU with questions about drugs... thereby pretty much negating your influence and a chance to educate at the most critical time - whey they show interest. This approach IS your "Just Say No propaganda" in action...complete with good intentions and unintended consequence...which makes your patronizing suggestions of how people should responsibly educate kids on drugs all the more ironic.
Now...
You suggest that "as soon as you do it while it's illegal your credibility as a role model is shot'.
Well....last I checked, it's been illegal for um...like, comin up on a fucking century...so....by your logic....anyone who has ever smoked has no credibility as a role model? That would lead me to assume that you think these people are pretty much unfit to parent, correct? Just so we're clear on the rhetoric here.
You think immoral laws shouldn't be broken until they're stricken from the books. I disagree. And I don't think it's ridiculous, severely handicapping, or diluted. And here I was worried that you'd take those comments about being judgemental to heart :roll:
you can't have progress if the students only go as far as the the teacher can teach. kids should question authority, what they are taught, that is how innovation and progress happen.
You suggest that "as soon as you do it while it's illegal your credibility as a role model is shot'.
Well....last I checked, it's been illegal for um...like, comin up on a fucking century...so....by your logic....anyone who has ever smoked has no credibility as a role model? That would lead me to assume that you think these people are pretty much unfit to parent, correct? Just so we're clear on the rhetoric here.
I believe that any PARENT who tries to sell their kids on doing what's right while at the same time engaging in illegal activity has no credibility as a role model. The debate could rage forever about whether rock stars, athletes and the Hollywood elite are role models, but I doubt anyone would disagree that when you sign up as a parent you should strive for your kids to look up to you. PARENTS should hold themselves to higher standards.
You think immoral laws shouldn't be broken until they're stricken from the books. I disagree. And I don't think it's ridiculous, severely handicapping, or diluted. And here I was worried that you'd take those comments about being judgemental to heart :roll:
I think you'd have to be a parent to understand that it's not really about you. And I think it's selfish of any parent who engages in consistent illegal activity like that while they're raising kids. If it's your job to protect your kids, why the hell would you teach them that obeying the law is optional? I don't get it, but maybe I'm missing something.
All we can do as parents is our best - I suppose if you can honestly say that frequent recreational drug use while raising kids is your best, so be it. I'm saying your in the minority. Sorry you don't like that fact, but no amount of self-rightgeousness is going to change it. If that makes me 'judgemental' then I can accept that.
Pot use does not make a bad parent, but bad parents can be pot users…
Agreed.
Being a Yankee fan does not make a bad parent, but bad parents can be yankee fans.
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what a little shit.... I mean, hes not 5 or 6, he is 11, he knows right from wrong and he also knows family from friends and you dont rat on your family members, short of something heinous I mean and a little grass aint heinous....now if they were using little billys lunch money for papers or something.....we may have a case :ugeek:
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I believe that any PARENT who tries to sell their kids on doing what's right while at the same time engaging in illegal activity has no credibility as a role model. The debate could rage forever about whether rock stars, athletes and the Hollywood elite are role models, but I doubt anyone would disagree that when you sign up as a parent you should strive for your kids to look up to you. PARENTS should hold themselves to higher standards..
Again with the selective quoting. I addressed this in the portion of my post you deleted from your quote. Why did you do that? Not only are you ignoring my explanation, you’re dodging my criticism of your stance. You are so set on your own opinion that you choose not to even acknowledge another viewpoint. That inflexibility is largely what I’m criticizing – you are helping my argument by ignoring that point. Such unquestioning, black and white morality is the refuge of dogmatic fools.
I think you'd have to be a parent to understand that it's not really about you. And I think it's selfish of any parent who engages in consistent illegal activity like that while they're raising kids. If it's your job to protect your kids, why the hell would you teach them that obeying the law is optional? I don't get it, but maybe I'm missing something.
All we can do as parents is our best - I suppose if you can honestly say that frequent recreational drug use while raising kids is your best, so be it. I'm saying your in the minority. Sorry you don't like that fact, but no amount of self-rightgeousness is going to change it. If that makes me 'judgemental' then I can accept that.
Guess what? Obeying the law IS optional. And guess what else? Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people break this law at some point in their lives. I AM a parent, and no, it’s not all about me. I’m more interested in giving my kids the tools for critical thought and making them aware of action/reaction and consequence when faced with such decisions, than I am in indoctrinating them to my beliefs (wouldn’t that be selfish parenting?).
Interesting that you changed your stance from “the minute you do it while it’s illegal, your credibility as a role model is shot”, to “engaging in consistent” and “frequent recreational drug use” when challenged. So which is it? Do you believe your rhetoric or are you still ranting? Again, you presume that my definition of right and wrong can be found in law. It cannot. I can think for myself.
Consistent, frequent recreational drug use (ie: addiction) is different from what I brought up previously in the thread – admitting to smoking the odd joint. How would my credibility, or ‘do as I say not as I do’ hypocrisy be affected by lying to a kid about use? IMO, my credibility is increased by being honest about it, not decreased. I guess since I’ve smoked in the past, I have no leg to stand on. Vilifying drugs while telling the kid that they should take my word for it that it’s ‘wrong’ will not work. I am not encouraging drug use. I am not condoning it. I’m talking about simple, frank dialogue….choosing battles, and persuasion vs intimidation.
And YES, you’re missing something. Half the fucking post.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
This is how a society enacts rightful change. I bet all those women voters and black slaves are happy someone came along to challenge those cruel and unjust laws...
Just because MLK was a great man, doesn't mean everything he said is 100% true and correct. It is crystal clear that the parents were in the wrong, right? Now they are without their kids. So tell me that they didn't make the wrong choice.
If you don't agree with the law then it is up to you if you want to break the law. But is it worth the risk of losing your kids? Absolutely not. No high in the world is worth that. Yet they chose to take that risk. Very poor choice IMO. There are better ways to change laws that you feel are unjust than getting arrested and losing your kids.
I'm not saying with conviction that the kid did the right thing. I'd probably want to beat his ass. But he probably felt he was put in a tough spot and that's not his fault. If getting high was that important to the parents then they should have not been complete jackasses about it. It's not that hard to outsmart an eleven year old. The fact that he knew they had weed...I find it pretty silly. Dumb parents.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
This is how a society enacts rightful change. I bet all those women voters and black slaves are happy someone came along to challenge those cruel and unjust laws...
Just because MLK was a great man, doesn't mean everything he said is 100% true and correct. It is crystal clear that the parents were in the wrong, right? Now they are without their kids. So tell me that they didn't make the wrong choice.
If you don't agree with the law then it is up to you if you want to break the law. But is it worth the risk of losing your kids? Absolutely not. No high in the world is worth that. Yet they chose to take that risk. Very poor choice IMO. There are better ways to change laws that you feel are unjust than getting arrested and losing your kids.
I'm not saying with conviction that the kid did the right thing. I'd probably want to beat his ass. But he probably felt he was put in a tough spot and that's not his fault. If getting high was that important to the parents then they should have not been complete jackasses about it. It's not that hard to outsmart an eleven year old. The fact that he knew they had weed...I find it pretty silly. Dumb parents.
It certainly isn't crystal clear to me how the parents were in the wrong when I know there is nothing wrong with smoking weed. The whole idea is absurd. It's like someone telling me I am clearly in the wrong for eating a saltine cracker. The law is clearly in the wrong and that is what I am addressing. All throughout history horrible things have happened to people who had the backbone to challenge the system, including life long jail sentences, being socially outcast, or even their own death. I guess in your mind, any time something bad happens, your decision was obviously the wrong one. I'm glad we aren't in the same foxhole and I don't buy that logic for one second.
For the record, losing this particular kid might not have been such a bad thing. I'd have fed him to my wolverines.
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at eleven years old he knows what hes been taught and the basics of wrong and wright......
the parents somewhere along the line screwed up,you guys are coming down on a 11 year old that believes his parents have a weed problem so he did what he felt was the right thing to do, with D.A.R.E and all the schools anti drug and violence that they are teaching you'd think these dip shit people would know better than to practice their habit in front of their kids.
It certainly isn't crystal clear to me how the parents were in the wrong when I know there is nothing wrong with smoking weed. The whole idea is absurd. It's like someone telling me I am clearly in the wrong for eating a saltine cracker. The law is clearly in the wrong and that is what I am addressing. All throughout history horrible things have happened to people who had the backbone to challenge the system, including life long jail sentences, being socially outcast, or even their own death. I guess in your mind, any time something bad happens, your decision was obviously the wrong one. I'm glad we aren't in the same foxhole and I don't buy that logic for one second.
For the record, losing this particular kid might not have been such a bad thing. I'd have fed him to my wolverines.
But the parents aren't out protesting the laws. They got arrested for illegal drug posession. There is a big difference in my mind. I AGREE THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED. But until then, to say that these parents made the right choice by doing things that lead to losing their kids is fucking absurd.
It seems you have no concept of what it is to be a parent, or at least a good parent. Even if they were fighting the good fight, and not just pothead deadbeats, because to be fair we don't really know much about them, but let's assume they are fighting strongly to change the pot laws.....you still think that's worth losing your kids?
But the parents aren't out protesting the laws. They got arrested for illegal drug posession. There is a big difference in my mind. I AGREE THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED. But until then, to say that these parents made the right choice by doing things that lead to losing their kids is fucking absurd.
It seems you have no concept of what it is to be a parent, or at least a good parent. Even if they were fighting the good fight, and not just pothead deadbeats, because to be fair we don't really know much about them, but let's assume they are fighting strongly to change the pot laws.....you still think that's worth losing your kids?
Every single person who participates in the marijuana culture is protesting the law to some degree. It doesn’t mean they are taking the message to the street, in fact, a lot of people, based on these ridiculous social stigmatisms, can’t reveal that they indulge, so they can’t openly protest. Basically, what you are saying is that every person busted during prohibition, those operating the underground railroad, Rosa Parks, and all those who suffered for women’s sufferage, they were all idiots that had negative consequences coming because they knowingly BROKE THE LAW!!! rather than hold an acceptable rally somewhere. Good for them, I say. Good for them.
But you are right about being a good parent. I suck at being a parent. That’s why my children work in the acid mine. Also, if my kid so much as looks at my stash, that's an automatic timeout.
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But the parents aren't out protesting the laws. They got arrested for illegal drug posession. There is a big difference in my mind. I AGREE THAT THE LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED. But until then, to say that these parents made the right choice by doing things that lead to losing their kids is fucking absurd.
It seems you have no concept of what it is to be a parent, or at least a good parent. Even if they were fighting the good fight, and not just pothead deadbeats, because to be fair we don't really know much about them, but let's assume they are fighting strongly to change the pot laws.....you still think that's worth losing your kids?
Every single person who participates in the marijuana culture is protesting the law to some degree. It doesn’t mean they are taking the message to the street, in fact, a lot of people, based on these ridiculous social stigmatisms, can’t reveal that they indulge, so they can’t openly protest. Basically, what you are saying is that every person busted during prohibition, those operating the underground railroad, Rosa Parks, and all those who suffered for women’s sufferage, they were all idiots that had negative consequences coming because they knowingly BROKE THE LAW!!! rather than hold an acceptable rally somewhere. Good for them, I say. Good for them.
But you are right about being a good parent. I suck at being a parent. That’s why my children work in the acid mine. Also, if my kid so much as looks at my stash, that's an automatic timeout.
If I had kids, I would be making money off of them and if one of them went near the narcotics, thats an automatic hit on the side of the head with a glass bottle...the time out takes place afterwards
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at eleven years old he knows what hes been taught and the basics of wrong and wright......
the parents somewhere along the line screwed up,you guys are coming down on a 11 year old that believes his parents have a weed problem so he did what he felt was the right thing to do, with D.A.R.E and all the schools anti drug and violence that they are teaching you'd think these dip shit people would know better than to practice their habit in front of their kids.
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This is so true- the kid is 11 yrs old - who knows what else is going on in the household and maybe - he just wanted help... The parents needed to be more careful of what they do in front of young kids.
If the parents wanted to smoke weed - go for it - but kids do not need to see it at such a young age. And I do know that the D.A.R.E. program scares the hell out of most kids...
I remember when my daughter went thru that program in 5th grade - she questioned everything... I couldn't even open up a bottle "wine" without her asking questions about alcohal....
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Im straight edge. yet i know and love people who use. I remember hearing about pot for the first time in kindergarten. Kids were talking about it, and I thought they meant an actual pot, like a pot that holds plants. anyways even though i had a odd idea of what it was i knew it was wrong.
I persoanlly believe if the parents are found out to be non creepy parents, and no abuse went on, and drugs werent used openly, and they told their kids drugs are not good, then they shouldnt get in trouble.
and on the other side, I dont think the kid should get in trouble, no matter what. I can think of alot worse things 11 year olds could be doing than being antidrug. Isnt that what we should want for all young kids? Its fine if they want to do it as an adult, but i think its cool the kid is militantly antidrug. i am myself
lets take bets on the follow up story.....me first.
I'll bet the parents started cutting in on Jr's customer base so Jr. rolled em up and ratted em out. :lolno:
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don't you know it Godfather.. all these years of bustin their humps and they can't seem to catch a break
and it is most likely a very special and beautiful time for them.
they are hard working men.
what if one their kids snitched them off for smoking a spliff and relaxing poolside after a long & rigorous world tour?
funny how it is fine to be a falling down drunken prick and it's legal but one can't smoke bud without fear of the government grinding your nuts down for ya...
in fact i am not in 5th grade and it is a dream of mine to smoke with pearl jam.
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Take them to a pro-pot rally, take them to a voting booth as you vote for pro-pot candidates, educate them on what's real vs what's Say No to Drugs propoganda, but as soon as you do it while it's still illegal your credibility as a role model is shot.
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i think i will lovingly fondle gw's testicles
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you seem to be under the mistaken delusion that all laws are just.
wars are lawful and yet so very wrong. i have no problem telling my children what i think of that.
and the rule of thumb in my house is when youre 18 years old you can do whatever the hell you like. until then youre under my charge. of course if in a few years they come home drunk or stoned im hardly gonna chastise or discipline them.
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"If the law is the law, I guess we might as well just stick with what's on the books right now, and give up any hope of evolution"
Basically the same sentiment cate shared in response to your post.
Regardless of how hard one pushes one's morality on a kid, they WILL eventually think for themself. I'm encouraging open discussion. Taking a stance of 'legality = morality, period' is a helluva good way to ensure kids will never come to YOU with questions about drugs... thereby pretty much negating your influence and a chance to educate at the most critical time - whey they show interest. This approach IS your "Just Say No propaganda" in action...complete with good intentions and unintended consequence...which makes your patronizing suggestions of how people should responsibly educate kids on drugs all the more ironic.
Now...
You suggest that "as soon as you do it while it's illegal your credibility as a role model is shot'.
Well....last I checked, it's been illegal for um...like, comin up on a fucking century...so....by your logic....anyone who has ever smoked has no credibility as a role model? That would lead me to assume that you think these people are pretty much unfit to parent, correct? Just so we're clear on the rhetoric here.
You think immoral laws shouldn't be broken until they're stricken from the books. I disagree. And I don't think it's ridiculous, severely handicapping, or diluted. And here I was worried that you'd take those comments about being judgemental to heart :roll:
question authority.
you can't have progress if the students only go as far as the the teacher can teach. kids should question authority, what they are taught, that is how innovation and progress happen.
HA HA HA I LOVE IT. :thumbup:
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I think you'd have to be a parent to understand that it's not really about you. And I think it's selfish of any parent who engages in consistent illegal activity like that while they're raising kids. If it's your job to protect your kids, why the hell would you teach them that obeying the law is optional? I don't get it, but maybe I'm missing something.
All we can do as parents is our best - I suppose if you can honestly say that frequent recreational drug use while raising kids is your best, so be it. I'm saying your in the minority. Sorry you don't like that fact, but no amount of self-rightgeousness is going to change it. If that makes me 'judgemental' then I can accept that.
it shows me how chicken shit the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE UNIVERSE IS
fuck this...
thank god i am moving to the moon
where's my 13 yr old's waterpipe?
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Well done.
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Guess what? Obeying the law IS optional. And guess what else? Tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people break this law at some point in their lives. I AM a parent, and no, it’s not all about me. I’m more interested in giving my kids the tools for critical thought and making them aware of action/reaction and consequence when faced with such decisions, than I am in indoctrinating them to my beliefs (wouldn’t that be selfish parenting?).
Interesting that you changed your stance from “the minute you do it while it’s illegal, your credibility as a role model is shot”, to “engaging in consistent” and “frequent recreational drug use” when challenged. So which is it? Do you believe your rhetoric or are you still ranting? Again, you presume that my definition of right and wrong can be found in law. It cannot. I can think for myself.
Consistent, frequent recreational drug use (ie: addiction) is different from what I brought up previously in the thread – admitting to smoking the odd joint. How would my credibility, or ‘do as I say not as I do’ hypocrisy be affected by lying to a kid about use? IMO, my credibility is increased by being honest about it, not decreased. I guess since I’ve smoked in the past, I have no leg to stand on. Vilifying drugs while telling the kid that they should take my word for it that it’s ‘wrong’ will not work. I am not encouraging drug use. I am not condoning it. I’m talking about simple, frank dialogue….choosing battles, and persuasion vs intimidation.
And YES, you’re missing something. Half the fucking post.
If you don't agree with the law then it is up to you if you want to break the law. But is it worth the risk of losing your kids? Absolutely not. No high in the world is worth that. Yet they chose to take that risk. Very poor choice IMO. There are better ways to change laws that you feel are unjust than getting arrested and losing your kids.
I'm not saying with conviction that the kid did the right thing. I'd probably want to beat his ass. But he probably felt he was put in a tough spot and that's not his fault. If getting high was that important to the parents then they should have not been complete jackasses about it. It's not that hard to outsmart an eleven year old. The fact that he knew they had weed...I find it pretty silly. Dumb parents.
It certainly isn't crystal clear to me how the parents were in the wrong when I know there is nothing wrong with smoking weed. The whole idea is absurd. It's like someone telling me I am clearly in the wrong for eating a saltine cracker. The law is clearly in the wrong and that is what I am addressing. All throughout history horrible things have happened to people who had the backbone to challenge the system, including life long jail sentences, being socially outcast, or even their own death. I guess in your mind, any time something bad happens, your decision was obviously the wrong one. I'm glad we aren't in the same foxhole and I don't buy that logic for one second.
For the record, losing this particular kid might not have been such a bad thing. I'd have fed him to my wolverines.
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the parents somewhere along the line screwed up,you guys are coming down on a 11 year old that believes his parents have a weed problem so he did what he felt was the right thing to do, with D.A.R.E and all the schools anti drug and violence that they are teaching you'd think these dip shit people would know better than to practice their habit in front of their kids.
Godfather.
It seems you have no concept of what it is to be a parent, or at least a good parent. Even if they were fighting the good fight, and not just pothead deadbeats, because to be fair we don't really know much about them, but let's assume they are fighting strongly to change the pot laws.....you still think that's worth losing your kids?
Every single person who participates in the marijuana culture is protesting the law to some degree. It doesn’t mean they are taking the message to the street, in fact, a lot of people, based on these ridiculous social stigmatisms, can’t reveal that they indulge, so they can’t openly protest. Basically, what you are saying is that every person busted during prohibition, those operating the underground railroad, Rosa Parks, and all those who suffered for women’s sufferage, they were all idiots that had negative consequences coming because they knowingly BROKE THE LAW!!! rather than hold an acceptable rally somewhere. Good for them, I say. Good for them.
But you are right about being a good parent. I suck at being a parent. That’s why my children work in the acid mine. Also, if my kid so much as looks at my stash, that's an automatic timeout.
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If I had kids, I would be making money off of them and if one of them went near the narcotics, thats an automatic hit on the side of the head with a glass bottle...the time out takes place afterwards
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This is so true- the kid is 11 yrs old - who knows what else is going on in the household and maybe - he just wanted help... The parents needed to be more careful of what they do in front of young kids.
If the parents wanted to smoke weed - go for it - but kids do not need to see it at such a young age. And I do know that the D.A.R.E. program scares the hell out of most kids...
I remember when my daughter went thru that program in 5th grade - she questioned everything... I couldn't even open up a bottle "wine" without her asking questions about alcohal....