How About Those Minnesota Twins?

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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    vant0037 wrote:
    As for divisional prowess...I'm not sure that the AL Central is any better or worse than the NL East, at least historically. The AL Central certainly has more WS titles than the NL East (12 vs. 6). Aside from the Marlins every 3-4 years, in the last 15 years, the Braves have been the most consistently competitive in the NL East. In the AL Central, its been the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, and in the 90s it was the Indians. There's at least an argument to be had for parity between the divisions; I don't think its accurate to say that top to bottom the NL East is a superior division. Possibly this year, but not in recent history.

    Ok. ..
    1 - What does total number of WS titles for a division have to do with anything?
    2 - Braves 3 (1914, 1957, 1995), Marlins 2 (1997, 2003), Mets 2 (1969, 1986), Phillies 2 (1980, 2008) - that makes 9.
    3 - White Sox 3 (1906, 1917, 2005), Indians 2 (1920, 1948), Tigers 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984), Royals 1 (1985), Twins 2 (1987, 1991, also Senators in 1924) - that makes 12 or 13.

    I don't think the 1906 Hitless Wonders or Denkinger's blown call in 1985 do anything to make the AL Central a better division. :?
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

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  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    vant0037 wrote:
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    duesing has an awesome record if im not mistaken


    imagine pavano against the yanks


    if you would have told me 6 years ago pavano's first playoff game(AFTER LEAVING THE MARLINS) would be AGAINST the yankees i would have shit myself

    He pitched well against them last year in the ALDS.


    oh shit he did :lol:
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • vant0037
    vant0037 Posts: 6,170
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    vant0037 wrote:
    As for divisional prowess...I'm not sure that the AL Central is any better or worse than the NL East, at least historically. The AL Central certainly has more WS titles than the NL East (12 vs. 6). Aside from the Marlins every 3-4 years, in the last 15 years, the Braves have been the most consistently competitive in the NL East. In the AL Central, its been the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, and in the 90s it was the Indians. There's at least an argument to be had for parity between the divisions; I don't think its accurate to say that top to bottom the NL East is a superior division. Possibly this year, but not in recent history.

    Ok. ..
    1 - What does total number of WS titles for a division have to do with anything?
    2 - Braves 3 (1914, 1957, 1995), Marlins 2 (1997, 2003), Mets 2 (1969, 1986), Phillies 2 (1980, 2008) - that makes 9.
    3 - White Sox 3 (1906, 1917, 2005), Indians 2 (1920, 1948), Tigers 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984), Royals 1 (1985), Twins 2 (1987, 1991, also Senators in 1924) - that makes 12 or 13.

    I don't think the 1906 Hitless Wonders or Denkinger's blown call in 1985 do anything to make the AL Central a better division. :?

    Of course not. I'm only making the case that the AL Central isn't clearly a weaker division than the NL East. Possibly this year, but in the last decade, the 2 divisions been pretty comparable. For every Braves team, there's been a Twins or a White Sox team that's solid. For every Phillies team, there's a been a solid White Sox team. For the AL Central's Royals, there's been an equally bad Nationals team (worse???). My point is that recently, and historically, parity exists. The AL Central may be weak this year (although for a while there were 3 teams in legitimate contention) but in this decade I think its a stretch to say that its been markedly worse than the NL East. In the 2000s, 3 of the 5 teams in the AL Central have won a division title; 3 of 5 teams in the NL East have won a division title. Without splitting hairs, its a reasonable conclusion that the NL East and AL Central are relatively comparable divisions.

    My fault on the miscount of WS titles.
    1998-06-30 Minneapolis
    2003-06-16 St. Paul
    2006-06-26 St. Paul
    2007-08-05 Chicago
    2009-08-23 Chicago
    2009-08-28 San Francisco
    2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
    2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
    2011-09-03 PJ20
    2011-09-04 PJ20
    2011-09-17 Winnipeg
    2012-06-26 Amsterdam
    2012-06-27 Amsterdam
    2013-07-19 Wrigley
    2013-11-21 San Diego
    2013-11-23 Los Angeles
    2013-11-24 Los Angeles
    2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
    2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
    2014-10-09 Lincoln
    2014-10-19 St. Paul
    2014-10-20 Milwaukee
    2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
    2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
    2018-06-18 London 1
    2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
    2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
    2022-09-16 Nashville
    2023-08-31 St. Paul
    2023-09-02 St. Paul
    2023-09-05 Chicago 1
    2024-08-31 Wrigley 2
    2024-09-15 Fenway 1
    2024-09-27 Ohana 1
    2024-09-29 Ohana 2
    2025-05-03 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    philles and twins combined = the yanks from 96-2000 :lol::lol::lol:
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • darthvedder81
    darthvedder81 Posts: 688
    The whole NL is weak. If the Twins were in the National League they'd win the pennant every year.
    So this life is sacrifice...
    6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    philles and twins combined = the yanks from 96-2000 :lol::lol::lol:

    Just keep on living in the 20th Century - you're gonna need it!
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    philles and twins combined = the yanks from 96-2000 :lol::lol::lol:

    Just keep on living in the 20th Century - you're gonna need it!


    just pointing out history


    and we are defending 21st century champs
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    Sorry for derailing this thread. Actually Neily did it. :arrow:

    I don't really have much of an argument anyway. Phila has been celebrating the Broad St Bullies for 35 years.
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Sorry for derailing this thread. Actually Neily did it. :arrow:

    I don't really have much of an argument anyway. Phila has been celebrating the Broad St Bullies for 35 years.


    speaking of which im off to MSG for a real hockey team :lol:

    have a great night ya'll
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Sorry for derailing this thread. Actually Neily did it. :arrow:

    I don't really have much of an argument anyway. Phila has been celebrating the Broad St Bullies for 35 years.


    speaking of which im off to MSG for a real hockey team :lol:

    have a great night ya'll

    see, we know you're lying. they don't still have hockey in NYC

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