As for divisional prowess...I'm not sure that the AL Central is any better or worse than the NL East, at least historically. The AL Central certainly has more WS titles than the NL East (12 vs. 6). Aside from the Marlins every 3-4 years, in the last 15 years, the Braves have been the most consistently competitive in the NL East. In the AL Central, its been the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, and in the 90s it was the Indians. There's at least an argument to be had for parity between the divisions; I don't think its accurate to say that top to bottom the NL East is a superior division. Possibly this year, but not in recent history.
Ok. ..
1 - What does total number of WS titles for a division have to do with anything?
2 - Braves 3 (1914, 1957, 1995), Marlins 2 (1997, 2003), Mets 2 (1969, 1986), Phillies 2 (1980, 2008) - that makes 9.
3 - White Sox 3 (1906, 1917, 2005), Indians 2 (1920, 1948), Tigers 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984), Royals 1 (1985), Twins 2 (1987, 1991, also Senators in 1924) - that makes 12 or 13.
I don't think the 1906 Hitless Wonders or Denkinger's blown call in 1985 do anything to make the AL Central a better division. :?
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
As for divisional prowess...I'm not sure that the AL Central is any better or worse than the NL East, at least historically. The AL Central certainly has more WS titles than the NL East (12 vs. 6). Aside from the Marlins every 3-4 years, in the last 15 years, the Braves have been the most consistently competitive in the NL East. In the AL Central, its been the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, and in the 90s it was the Indians. There's at least an argument to be had for parity between the divisions; I don't think its accurate to say that top to bottom the NL East is a superior division. Possibly this year, but not in recent history.
Ok. ..
1 - What does total number of WS titles for a division have to do with anything?
2 - Braves 3 (1914, 1957, 1995), Marlins 2 (1997, 2003), Mets 2 (1969, 1986), Phillies 2 (1980, 2008) - that makes 9.
3 - White Sox 3 (1906, 1917, 2005), Indians 2 (1920, 1948), Tigers 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984), Royals 1 (1985), Twins 2 (1987, 1991, also Senators in 1924) - that makes 12 or 13.
I don't think the 1906 Hitless Wonders or Denkinger's blown call in 1985 do anything to make the AL Central a better division. :?
Of course not. I'm only making the case that the AL Central isn't clearly a weaker division than the NL East. Possibly this year, but in the last decade, the 2 divisions been pretty comparable. For every Braves team, there's been a Twins or a White Sox team that's solid. For every Phillies team, there's a been a solid White Sox team. For the AL Central's Royals, there's been an equally bad Nationals team (worse???). My point is that recently, and historically, parity exists. The AL Central may be weak this year (although for a while there were 3 teams in legitimate contention) but in this decade I think its a stretch to say that its been markedly worse than the NL East. In the 2000s, 3 of the 5 teams in the AL Central have won a division title; 3 of 5 teams in the NL East have won a division title. Without splitting hairs, its a reasonable conclusion that the NL East and AL Central are relatively comparable divisions.
My fault on the miscount of WS titles.
1998-06-30 Minneapolis
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2 2018-06-18 London 1 2018-08-18 Wrigley 1 2018-08-20 Wrigley 2 2022-09-16 Nashville 2023-08-31 St. Paul 2023-09-02 St. Paul 2023-09-05 Chicago 1 2023-08-31 Wrigley 2 2023-09-15 Fenway 1
philles and twins combined = the yanks from 96-2000
Just keep on living in the 20th Century - you're gonna need it!
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Sorry for derailing this thread. Actually Neily did it. :arrow:
I don't really have much of an argument anyway. Phila has been celebrating the Broad St Bullies for 35 years.
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Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
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Ok. ..
1 - What does total number of WS titles for a division have to do with anything?
2 - Braves 3 (1914, 1957, 1995), Marlins 2 (1997, 2003), Mets 2 (1969, 1986), Phillies 2 (1980, 2008) - that makes 9.
3 - White Sox 3 (1906, 1917, 2005), Indians 2 (1920, 1948), Tigers 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984), Royals 1 (1985), Twins 2 (1987, 1991, also Senators in 1924) - that makes 12 or 13.
I don't think the 1906 Hitless Wonders or Denkinger's blown call in 1985 do anything to make the AL Central a better division. :?
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
oh shit he did
Of course not. I'm only making the case that the AL Central isn't clearly a weaker division than the NL East. Possibly this year, but in the last decade, the 2 divisions been pretty comparable. For every Braves team, there's been a Twins or a White Sox team that's solid. For every Phillies team, there's a been a solid White Sox team. For the AL Central's Royals, there's been an equally bad Nationals team (worse???). My point is that recently, and historically, parity exists. The AL Central may be weak this year (although for a while there were 3 teams in legitimate contention) but in this decade I think its a stretch to say that its been markedly worse than the NL East. In the 2000s, 3 of the 5 teams in the AL Central have won a division title; 3 of 5 teams in the NL East have won a division title. Without splitting hairs, its a reasonable conclusion that the NL East and AL Central are relatively comparable divisions.
My fault on the miscount of WS titles.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
2023-08-31 Wrigley 2
2023-09-15 Fenway 1
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
Just keep on living in the 20th Century - you're gonna need it!
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
just pointing out history
and we are defending 21st century champs
I don't really have much of an argument anyway. Phila has been celebrating the Broad St Bullies for 35 years.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
speaking of which im off to MSG for a real hockey team
have a great night ya'll
see, we know you're lying. they don't still have hockey in NYC