How About Those Minnesota Twins?

Kevinman

I hope the Vikings go 0-16 for Karma's sake.

Ok

Kevinman wrote:

I hope the Vikings go 0-16 for Karma's sake.

:roll:

The Fixer

Pearl James wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Awesome...I'm glad we're all PJ fans and a thread about baseball/fun/clinching a division title with absolutely NO ill-will or malicious intent has devolved into a "Minnesota sucks" thread. Thanks dude!

As for the Twins going to get beat up by the Yankees/Rays, I don't know. Everyone points to how bad the Twins pitching has been when in fact, the Twins are 3rd in the league for starting pitching (team ERA 0f 4.00). That's better than the Yankees and Rays. Also, keep in mind the Twins are 3rd in all of baseball for team hitting (.277 BA), and as a team have beaten David Price, Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, Zack Greinke (4 times), Trever Cahill, Mark Buerhle, Roy Halladay, Justin Verlander, Johan Santana etc.

My point is that yes the Rays and Yankees are good and have potent lineups. But the Twins have not, by any means, been "murdered" by them this year. They've got and demonstrated starting pitching that's effective, they've got a great bullpen, and a great starting lineup.

They just won a division title, weak division or not. Can I please enjoy it?

Sheesh...thanks a lot dickhead.

PS Yes 2 teams from the AL Central have made it to the post-season; once this decade (2006), which is incidentally the same number of times that 2 teams from the NL East have made it to the postseason.

You certainly havent spent enough time on a message board with sports fans. Obviously there are going to be people who dislike your team to an extent and will not be afraid to express it. The Twins record certainly proves themselves as the team they are. I dont remember a Twins team with this talent since 2006, and years before that. But I also think this is a prime example on how insecure Twins fans truly are. Every single time someone posts something that is in any way negative about the Twins, even something we can all agree with. A twins fan here has to post some sort of stat to stay contempt with themselves. Id like to reinforce the fact that you made this thread when, in fact, there is already another thread devoted to the Twins that has been maintained throughout the whole season. If you didnt want anyone to post their opinions about the Twins and the AL Central, you shouldnt have made this thread, its that simple. Its pathetic enough you start this then decide to insult someone personally when he/she is just giving their side to the argument. No one is telling you to not enjoy your division title either. But youve had 6 to enjoy this decade and nothing to show for it. So maybe you can prove yourself as an actual playoff threat and then you may be excited for postseason play.

thanks for posting this dude, appreciate it. I don't believe in getting personal or name calling. Like you said, I was just giving my opinion about what's gonna happen in the playoffs. People get their panties in a bunch way too easily.

vant0037

You certainly havent spent enough time on a message board with sports fans. Obviously there are going to be people who dislike your team to an extent and will not be afraid to express it. The Twins record certainly proves themselves as the team they are. I dont remember a Twins team with this talent since 2006, and years before that. But I also think this is a prime example on how insecure Twins fans truly are. Every single time someone posts something that is in any way negative about the Twins, even something we can all agree with. A twins fan here has to post some sort of stat to stay contempt with themselves. Id like to reinforce the fact that you made this thread when, in fact, there is already another thread devoted to the Twins that has been maintained throughout the whole season. If you didnt want anyone to post their opinions about the Twins and the AL Central, you shouldnt have made this thread, its that simple. Its pathetic enough you start this then decide to insult someone personally when he/she is just giving their side to the argument. No one is telling you to not enjoy your division title either. But youve had 6 to enjoy this decade and nothing to show for it. So maybe you can prove yourself as an actual playoff threat and then you may be excited for postseason play.

If I'm guilty of anything, it was not searching for a thread that was started back in April. As for being insecure, give me a break dude. My initial thread was celebratory. Last I checked, there was a 2010 Phillies post and never once did it cross my mind to go to that thread and talk shit about how awesome the Twins are and how shitty the Phillies are. Yet a purely celebratory thread about the Twins draws negative flack from non-Twins fans and I'm the one with the problem?

As for "someone giving their side of the argument?" What argument? Where in the OP did I ask for a debate on whether I should truly be happy that the Twins won their division?

As for me/the Twins having "6 [division titles] to enjoy and nothing to show for it?" Again...EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Of course I'd like them to win the World Series every year, but the fact that they don't doesn't make me any less happy when they take a first step toward doing it, regardless of the final outcome. The fact that you took the time to post on here why I shouldn't be happy about my team's success reminds me why I don't spend time on sports message boards.

I didn't invite negative commentary from non-Twins fans, and yet that's what I got. You've posted on here why I shouldn't be surprised about it, and then went further and tried to prove to me why I shouldn't be happy about the Twins.

Way to go pal.

pjhawks

Congrats to the Twins and especially to Jim Thome. Classy guy and great to see him in the playoffs again. Would love to see the Phils-Twins Series. Good luck Twins - take out those yankee sob's.

vant0037

thanks for posting this dude, appreciate it. I don't believe in getting personal or name calling. Like you said, I was just giving my opinion about what's gonna happen in the playoffs. People get their panties in a bunch way too easily.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you went ahead and found a post that was celebrating a division title for a team that you don't cheer for and made negative comments. Of course you're going to get backlash. I didn't find the Phillies thread and make negative comments; you did that for my Twins thread and I'm the one with the problem? That makes sense.

And I pointed out stats regarding the Twins not to be "contempt" (I'm sure he meant "content") with myself, but only to counter your point about how the Twins staff isn't any good or how they're going to get "murdered." But of course its easier to brush off stats/facts when they fly in the face of your opinion.

Jearlpam0925

Easy, tiger. It's all ball busting. You'd think being from Minnesota - with the chance of a WS in arctic weather - you'd have thicker skin.

Now I know why people outside of Philly think we're assholes. They just can't hang.

The Fixer

vant0037 wrote:

thanks for posting this dude, appreciate it. I don't believe in getting personal or name calling. Like you said, I was just giving my opinion about what's gonna happen in the playoffs. People get their panties in a bunch way too easily.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you went ahead and found a post that was celebrating a division title for a team that you don't cheer for and made negative comments. Of course you're going to get backlash. I didn't find the Phillies thread and make negative comments; you did that for my Twins thread and I'm the one with the problem? That makes sense.

And I pointed out stats regarding the Twins not to be "contempt" (I'm sure he meant "content") with myself, but only to counter your point about how the Twins staff isn't any good or how they're going to get "murdered." But of course its easier to brush off stats/facts when they fly in the face of your opinion.

dude, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't really care all that much. I didnt think my comments were overly negative. all I said was that I think the twins are gonna lose in round 1. Again.

I hear worse trash talk at my 6 year old nephews soccer games. You shouldn't let your inferiority complex shine through so glaringly.

And to repeat something else I said in this thread, I will be pulling for the twins in the playoffs...especially if they play the yanks.

81

rumor has it, on off days during the world series, they will flood the field and play hockey.

vant0037

The Fixer wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

thanks for posting this dude, appreciate it. I don't believe in getting personal or name calling. Like you said, I was just giving my opinion about what's gonna happen in the playoffs. People get their panties in a bunch way too easily.

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but you went ahead and found a post that was celebrating a division title for a team that you don't cheer for and made negative comments. Of course you're going to get backlash. I didn't find the Phillies thread and make negative comments; you did that for my Twins thread and I'm the one with the problem? That makes sense.

And I pointed out stats regarding the Twins not to be "contempt" (I'm sure he meant "content") with myself, but only to counter your point about how the Twins staff isn't any good or how they're going to get "murdered." But of course its easier to brush off stats/facts when they fly in the face of your opinion.

dude, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't really care all that much. I didnt think my comments were overly negative. all I said was that I think the twins are gonna lose in round 1. Again.

I hear worse trash talk at my 6 year old nephews soccer games. You shouldn't let your inferiority complex shine through so glaringly.

And to repeat something else I said in this thread, I will be pulling for the twins in the playoffs...especially if they play the yanks.

You went ahead and started an argument on a thread for a team you don't follow. I'd say you care.

All I pointed out were some stats that counter your claim that the Twins rotation isn't any good. I haven't heard a counter-point. If you want to debate the merits of the Twins this year, fine. But you haven't done that; instead you've made a point, not backed it up and then wondered why people are upset that you're posting here. If you think the Twins rotation is not good, great. Let's debate it (even though that was not my intention with posting about the Twins, fall sports and how awesome they are :? ). But until then, I'd say you're going to continue to get backlash by turning a benign post about a team you don't follow into a debate about why that team is good or not.

Something I've said before: I've never felt the need to go say that I think the Phillies are overrated or they suck or they won't win etc on the Phillies thread, because I don't care about the Phillies. So why do you feel the need to do that on a thread for a team you don't follow? I don't think I'm the one with an inferiority complex...

vant0037

I have GOT to get some work done today...

The Fixer

vant0037 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

dude, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't really care all that much. I didnt think my comments were overly negative. all I said was that I think the twins are gonna lose in round 1. Again.

I hear worse trash talk at my 6 year old nephews soccer games. You shouldn't let your inferiority complex shine through so glaringly.

And to repeat something else I said in this thread, I will be pulling for the twins in the playoffs...especially if they play the yanks.

You went ahead and started an argument on a thread for a team you don't follow. I'd say you care.

All I pointed out were some stats that counter your claim that the Twins rotation isn't any good. I haven't heard a counter-point. If you want to debate the merits of the Twins this year, fine. But you haven't done that; instead you've made a point, not backed it up and then wondered why people are upset that you're posting here. If you think the Twins rotation is not good, great. Let's debate it (even though that was not my intention with posting about the Twins, fall sports and how awesome they are :? ). But until then, I'd say you're going to continue to get backlash by turning a benign post about a team you don't follow into a debate about why that team is good or not.

Something I've said before: I've never felt the need to go say that I think the Phillies are overrated or they suck or they won't win etc on the Phillies thread, because I don't care about the Phillies. So why do you feel the need to do that on a thread for a team you don't follow? I don't think I'm the one with an inferiority complex...

honestly I don't take any of the teams from the central divisions in either league seriously. you beat up on teams like cleveland and KC, which inflates win totals and makes stats look good. congrats.

I subscribe to the theory that the central teams are roadkill in the playoffs until they prove otherwise...like STL and Detroit did in the last decade. I just think those cases are exceptions to the rule.

To your last point...first, I'm a huge baseball fan, so I follow both leagues. second, I'm a phils fan so I am keeping tabs on world series competition. I would love to see the phils draw the twins in the WS because I think that's by far the easiest path to another world series championship. A lot of national 'experts' have started talking up the twins. I'm not buying...especially with mauer banged up, morneau out, capps as the closer, and the mustache as their number 2 starter. yes please, I'll take some of that in the World Series.

Sorry if you took my prior posts as unnecessary jabs. We're all sports fans here and I don't think I crossed any lines. Your opinion is welcome in the phillies thread any time you feel the need to let us know what you think.

Go Twins!!

neilybabes86

neilybabes86

darthvedder81 wrote:

I hope the Twins go 11-0 in the playoffs just to shut some of these morons up.

Jearlpam0925

neilybabes86 wrote:

darthvedder81 wrote:

I hope the Twins go 11-0 in the playoffs just to shut some of these morons up.

I just find it funny that you're not allowed to criticize, even though I'm complimenting on telling them that I like their team. But like all teams, they have holes. And it has nothing to do with not "rooting" for the Twins. I don't know if they know, but the people talking here follow ALL of baseball so I think we have a clue as to the Twins. Some people are just of a "delicate nature" I guess.

neilybabes86

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

darthvedder81 wrote:

I hope the Twins go 11-0 in the playoffs just to shut some of these morons up.

I just find it funny that you're not allowed to criticize, even though I'm complimenting on telling them that I like their team. But like all teams, they have holes. And it has nothing to do with not "rooting" for the Twins. I don't know if they know, but the people talking here follow ALL of baseball so I think we have a clue as to the Twins. Some people are just of a "delicate nature" I guess.

shit i hope i hit the lotto also ..but both things aren't gonna happen

vant0037

The Fixer wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

dude, you didn't hurt my feelings. I don't really care all that much. I didnt think my comments were overly negative. all I said was that I think the twins are gonna lose in round 1. Again.

I hear worse trash talk at my 6 year old nephews soccer games. You shouldn't let your inferiority complex shine through so glaringly.

And to repeat something else I said in this thread, I will be pulling for the twins in the playoffs...especially if they play the yanks.

You went ahead and started an argument on a thread for a team you don't follow. I'd say you care.

All I pointed out were some stats that counter your claim that the Twins rotation isn't any good. I haven't heard a counter-point. If you want to debate the merits of the Twins this year, fine. But you haven't done that; instead you've made a point, not backed it up and then wondered why people are upset that you're posting here. If you think the Twins rotation is not good, great. Let's debate it (even though that was not my intention with posting about the Twins, fall sports and how awesome they are :? ). But until then, I'd say you're going to continue to get backlash by turning a benign post about a team you don't follow into a debate about why that team is good or not.

Something I've said before: I've never felt the need to go say that I think the Phillies are overrated or they suck or they won't win etc on the Phillies thread, because I don't care about the Phillies. So why do you feel the need to do that on a thread for a team you don't follow? I don't think I'm the one with an inferiority complex...

honestly I don't take any of the teams from the central divisions in either league seriously. you beat up on teams like cleveland and KC, which inflates win totals and makes stats look good. congrats.

I subscribe to the theory that the central teams are roadkill in the playoffs until they prove otherwise...like STL and Detroit did in the last decade. I just think those cases are exceptions to the rule.

To your last point...first, I'm a huge baseball fan, so I follow both leagues. second, I'm a phils fan so I am keeping tabs on world series competition. I would love to see the phils draw the twins in the WS because I think that's by far the easiest path to another world series championship. A lot of national 'experts' have started talking up the twins. I'm not buying...especially with mauer banged up, morneau out, capps as the closer, and the mustache as their number 2 starter. yes please, I'll take some of that in the World Series.

Sorry if you took my prior posts as unnecessary jabs. We're all sports fans here and I don't think I crossed any lines. Your opinion is welcome in the phillies thread any time you feel the need to let us know what you think.

Go Twins!!

See? Now we're getting somewhere. Saying the Twins staff will get murdered without backing it up starts a fight. Saying you don't think they'll win plus why? That's starts a debate. Big difference. I didn't really want a debate about all of this, 1) because I LOVE debates and arguments and they usually give me an unwanted but irresistible distraction at work and 2) because the Twins had just clinched and I was excited about it. But I'd rather have a debate than a fight. Dig?

I think national experts talk up the first team that clinches. That happened this year with the Twins, so they get the attention. I disagree that the Twins stats (starters in particular) have been inflated against teams like KC and Cleveland. Their numbers have been good against everyone. The Twins have had the most trouble vs. Cleveland this year. Their inter-division records are: 13-5 vs. CWS, 12-6 vs. CLE, 12-3 vs. KC, 9-6 vs. DET. That could speak to a weak division, a solid Twins team or both. Probably both. But I don't think its fair to say that our numbers are inflated by playing KC and Cleveland when we've really played very well within our division top-to-bottom.

Mauer's banged up but by all reports, nothing serious. He'll likely be back this next week. Morneau's been out, but the Twins have surged without him. No reason to think that'll stop now.

As for divisional prowess...I'm not sure that the AL Central is any better or worse than the NL East, at least historically. The AL Central certainly has more WS titles than the NL East (12 vs. 6). Aside from the Marlins every 3-4 years, in the last 15 years, the Braves have been the most consistently competitive in the NL East. In the AL Central, its been the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, and in the 90s it was the Indians. There's at least an argument to be had for parity between the divisions; I don't think its accurate to say that top to bottom the NL East is a superior division. Possibly this year, but not in recent history.

Capps is the reincarnation of Eddie Guardado. Racks up saves, but in a nerve-wracking way. Always gives up hits and walks, but usually works out of it. Adding Brian Fuentes was big and the resurgence of Jesse Crain has helped. Their bullpen ERA as a whole is near tops in the game. That says something, shaky Capps or not. Starting rotation ERA is also 3rd in the AL.

I say that all to highlight that I don't think the Twins have been or are the "easier" road to a WS title. The Rangers without Josh Hamilton have fallen off. Season series don't mean anything, but the Twins have had some changes since they played Philly. Valencia in the starting lineup, Duensing in the rotation, Crain and Fuentes effective out of the bullpen. On Philly's side, if I recall, Utley's back (and he was injured when they played). If nothing else, I don't think its clear what the better matchup for Philly would be. The Twins played them tough and both teams have had changes since they played.

vant0037

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

darthvedder81 wrote:

I hope the Twins go 11-0 in the playoffs just to shut some of these morons up.

I just find it funny that you're not allowed to criticize, even though I'm complimenting on telling them that I like their team. But like all teams, they have holes. And it has nothing to do with not "rooting" for the Twins. I don't know if they know, but the people talking here follow ALL of baseball so I think we have a clue as to the Twins. Some people are just of a "delicate nature" I guess.

It has nothing to do with a "delicate nature"; negative comments that aren't backed up by numbers will start a fight, because they come across as antagonistic, especially in a thread with a positive slant. Now if you have a negative comment and you're willing to support it or debate it, that's a different story. Until now, many of the negative comments were not supported and so they came across as antagonistic. Antagonistic comments will naturally receive backlash. That's what happened. It has nothing to do with a "delicate nature."

neilybabes86

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

vant0037

neilybabes86 wrote:

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

neilybabes86

vant0037 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

well considering the rays play seattle baltimore and kc to end the year..its pretty much a no- brainer

The Fixer

vant0037 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

This sums up why I think your squad is in trouble. That rotation isn't very intimidating. Blackburn vs the yanks lineup?? yikes. Looking at that rotation I think Liriano HAS to beat sabathia twice in the series for the twins to have a shot because I don't see any gimme wins out of pavano, duensing, and especially blackburn.

Also, sabathia/pettitte kinda takes thome out of the equation and he's been a huge part of the twins success this year.

I'd say in a yanks-twins series the pivotal players for the twins will be liriano, delmon young (who looks like a fish by the way), and cuddyer. The RH sticks are gonna have to be big against the yanks lefty starters.

This board should make for some nice trash talk between yanks/twins fans once this series starts.

vant0037

neilybabes86 wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

well considering the rays play seattle baltimore and kc to end the year..its pretty much a no- brainer

Whoa. NYY closes out with Boston/Toronto/Boston, right? Twins close out against Detroit/KC (road), and then 4 at home against Toronto.

The Fixer

vant0037 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

You went ahead and started an argument on a thread for a team you don't follow. I'd say you care.

All I pointed out were some stats that counter your claim that the Twins rotation isn't any good. I haven't heard a counter-point. If you want to debate the merits of the Twins this year, fine. But you haven't done that; instead you've made a point, not backed it up and then wondered why people are upset that you're posting here. If you think the Twins rotation is not good, great. Let's debate it (even though that was not my intention with posting about the Twins, fall sports and how awesome they are :? ). But until then, I'd say you're going to continue to get backlash by turning a benign post about a team you don't follow into a debate about why that team is good or not.

Something I've said before: I've never felt the need to go say that I think the Phillies are overrated or they suck or they won't win etc on the Phillies thread, because I don't care about the Phillies. So why do you feel the need to do that on a thread for a team you don't follow? I don't think I'm the one with an inferiority complex...

honestly I don't take any of the teams from the central divisions in either league seriously. you beat up on teams like cleveland and KC, which inflates win totals and makes stats look good. congrats.

I subscribe to the theory that the central teams are roadkill in the playoffs until they prove otherwise...like STL and Detroit did in the last decade. I just think those cases are exceptions to the rule.

To your last point...first, I'm a huge baseball fan, so I follow both leagues. second, I'm a phils fan so I am keeping tabs on world series competition. I would love to see the phils draw the twins in the WS because I think that's by far the easiest path to another world series championship. A lot of national 'experts' have started talking up the twins. I'm not buying...especially with mauer banged up, morneau out, capps as the closer, and the mustache as their number 2 starter. yes please, I'll take some of that in the World Series.

Sorry if you took my prior posts as unnecessary jabs. We're all sports fans here and I don't think I crossed any lines. Your opinion is welcome in the phillies thread any time you feel the need to let us know what you think.

Go Twins!!

See? Now we're getting somewhere. Saying the Twins staff will get murdered without backing it up starts a fight. Saying you don't think they'll win plus why? That's starts a debate. Big difference. I didn't really want a debate about all of this, 1) because I LOVE debates and arguments and they usually give me an unwanted but irresistible distraction at work and 2) because the Twins had just clinched and I was excited about it. But I'd rather have a debate than a fight. Dig?

so you didn't like the 'murdered' comment? Fair enough, I can see how that might ruffle some feathers. I honestly didn't intend for that to get a reaction, just a bad choice of words on my part. Sorry about that.

It's obvious you're a legit fan, which I respect. I will be pulling for you guys. Hopefully the twins can prove me wrong and we'll be back at this come World Series time.

vant0037

The Fixer wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

the champs are coming to town... get ready

CC vs. liriano game 1

petitte vs pavano/duesing game 2


hughes vs. pavano/duesing game 3

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

This sums up why I think your squad is in trouble. That rotation isn't very intimidating. Blackburn vs the yanks lineup?? yikes. Looking at that rotation I think Liriano HAS to beat sabathia twice in the series for the twins to have a shot because I don't see any gimme wins out of pavano, duensing, and especially blackburn.

Also, sabathia/pettitte kinda takes thome out of the equation and he's been a huge part of the twins success this year.

I'd say in a yanks-twins series the pivotal players for the twins will be liriano, delmon young (who looks like a fish by the way), and cuddyer. The RH sticks are gonna have to be big against the yanks lefty starters.

This board should make for some nice trash talk between yanks/twins fans once this series starts.

But that's what I'm saying -- no one shakes in their boots for names like Pavano, Duensing (the rest of the league hasn't heard of him) or Blackburn. Everyone fears the Yankees rotation because of the names there (Sabathia, Pettitte etc). But numbers have shown the Twins guys to be really effective this year, perhaps more effective as whole than the Yankees guys. Definitely more stars in the NYY rotation but again, the Twins guys have given the team chances to win, which is what you're ultimately shooting for. That's why I don't think its a given they'll get killed. To be honest, I'm more worried about Liriano than any of them. He's been really good this year, but when he's off, you're in trouble because he'll give up 6 in 3 innings, which in turn kills the bullpen right off the bat. When Pavano's been off, he still gives you 6 or 7 innings.

Like I said way earlier, I won't predict the winners, but I don't think on paper its clear that the Twins or any other team is primed to get smoked one way or another.

vant0037

See? Now we're getting somewhere. Saying the Twins staff will get murdered without backing it up starts a fight. Saying you don't think they'll win plus why? That's starts a debate. Big difference. I didn't really want a debate about all of this, 1) because I LOVE debates and arguments and they usually give me an unwanted but irresistible distraction at work and 2) because the Twins had just clinched and I was excited about it. But I'd rather have a debate than a fight. Dig?



so you didn't like the 'murdered' comment? Fair enough, I can see how that might ruffle some feathers. I honestly didn't intend for that to get a reaction, just a bad choice of words on my part. Sorry about that.

It's obvious you're a legit fan, which I respect. I will be pulling for you guys. Hopefully the twins can prove me wrong and we'll be back at this come World Series time.

Haha...no worries. I love sports and talking sports, but I can't stand trash-talk, especially in baseball where any micro-stat can prove any point while ignoring a bigger picture. That's why I got riled about it. Like I said, no worries. NOW my problem is that I've wasted an hour and a half looking up baseball shit and perusing this board while at work...

The Fixer

vant0037 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Liriano, Pavano, Duensing, Blackburn. They flipped Pavano/Duensing. I've got my tickets. Should be a good one. (THIS is what I was looking for when posting...)

This sums up why I think your squad is in trouble. That rotation isn't very intimidating. Blackburn vs the yanks lineup?? yikes. Looking at that rotation I think Liriano HAS to beat sabathia twice in the series for the twins to have a shot because I don't see any gimme wins out of pavano, duensing, and especially blackburn.

Also, sabathia/pettitte kinda takes thome out of the equation and he's been a huge part of the twins success this year.

I'd say in a yanks-twins series the pivotal players for the twins will be liriano, delmon young (who looks like a fish by the way), and cuddyer. The RH sticks are gonna have to be big against the yanks lefty starters.

This board should make for some nice trash talk between yanks/twins fans once this series starts.

But that's what I'm saying -- no one shakes in their boots for names like Pavano, Duensing (the rest of the league hasn't heard of him) or Blackburn. Everyone fears the Yankees rotation because of the names there (Sabathia, Pettitte etc). But numbers have shown the Twins guys to be really effective this year, perhaps more effective as whole than the Yankees guys. Definitely more stars in the NYY rotation but again, the Twins guys have given the team chances to win, which is what you're ultimately shooting for. That's why I don't think its a given they'll get killed. To be honest, I'm more worried about Liriano than any of them. He's been really good this year, but when he's off, you're in trouble because he'll give up 6 in 3 innings, which in turn kills the bullpen right off the bat. When Pavano's been off, he still gives you 6 or 7 innings.

Like I said way earlier, I won't predict the winners, but I don't think on paper its clear that the Twins or any other team is primed to get smoked one way or another.

I'm shocked that duensing has had the success he's had since moving from the pen.

Throw the stats and stuff out the window come playoff time. the playoffs are an entirely different animal. I'll take pettitte in the playoffs over any of the twins starters.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the yanks are unbeatable. I have posted in the yanks thread that I think they are much more vulnerable this year than they were last year.

I do like the twins bullpen...except for capps. he stinks

how is the new stadium? looks awesome on TV

neilybabes86

duesing has an awesome record if im not mistaken


imagine pavano against the yanks


if you would have told me 6 years ago pavano's first playoff game(AFTER LEAVING THE MARLINS) would be AGAINST the yankees i would have shit myself

vant0037

neilybabes86 wrote:

duesing has an awesome record if im not mistaken


imagine pavano against the yanks


if you would have told me 6 years ago pavano's first playoff game(AFTER LEAVING THE MARLINS) would be AGAINST the yankees i would have shit myself

He pitched well against them last year in the ALDS.

vant0037

how is the new stadium? looks awesome on TV

Its pretty awesome. I've got season tickets right on first base...super nice park, good sight lines, very easy to get to.