Critical time for the War Resister support campaign

ONCE DEVIDED

my whole piont is that if you enlist you sign to follow orders, you are also educated in the rules of war. Now I know the US has ignored a few of those ie water boarding etc.but here in OZ its somthing we beleive in and have many lessons in this area. SO our miltary does instruct and support MORALS
today a soldier came out damming his top brass in afganistan,
heres the link to the militarys response
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/d ... 5927386825
this guy didnt run away he didnt hide. he told his story.

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

my whole piont is that if you enlist you sign to follow orders, you are also educated in the rules of war. Now I know the US has ignored a few of those ie water boarding etc.but here in OZ its somthing we beleive in and have many lessons in this area. SO our miltary does instruct and support MORALS
today a soldier came out damming his top brass in afganistan,
heres the link to the militarys response
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/d ... 5927386825
this guy didnt run away he didnt hide. he told his story.

Though couldn't it be argued that if the war itself is immoral and illegal then they have every right to refuse? The U.S has no right to be in Iraq or Afghanistan. They're not defending America or American citizens by being in these countries, they're just fighting to bolster the bank balances of the fat cats at companies like Halliburton. Nothing to do with defending America. Defence contractors are another thing altogether - basically merceneries for corporations and gangsters. Although maybe the difference between a military man and a mercenery isn't so great anymore.

Though I suppose the bottom line is that they shouldn't enlist in the first place. They're only gonna be fighting and killing on behalf of a bunch of crooks anyway.


'Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity'.

Jason P

I don't have a problem with soldiers running to Canada or any other country if they are can't cut it. They could be a safety risk to their unit. It is a pretty serious decision as you will never be allowed to return to your home and friends unless a pardon is issued . . . if someone is ready to accept this burden, so be it.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

I don't have a problem with soldiers running to Canada or any other country if they are can't cut it. They could be a safety risk to their unit. It is a pretty serious decision as you will never be allowed to return to your home and friends unless a pardon is issued . . . if someone is ready to accept this burden, so be it.

uhhh ... why won't you take these war-resistors for their word instead of trying to portray them as pansies?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I don't have a problem with soldiers running to Canada or any other country if they are can't cut it. They could be a safety risk to their unit. It is a pretty serious decision as you will never be allowed to return to your home and friends unless a pardon is issued . . . if someone is ready to accept this burden, so be it.

uhhh ... why won't you take these war-resistors for their word instead of trying to portray them as pansies?

I didn't imply they are pansies. Some people drop out of college because they can't cut it . . . not because they are pansies.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

I didn't imply they are pansies. Some people drop out of college because they can't cut it . . . not because they are pansies.

i am equating "can't cut it" to "pansies" ... either way tho - these war resistors are resisting not because they can't cut it ... it's because they don't believe in the morality of the mission and they are seeking refuge from a system that is ordering them without question to do things they are morally opposed to ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I didn't imply they are pansies. Some people drop out of college because they can't cut it . . . not because they are pansies.

i am equating "can't cut it" to "pansies" ... either way tho - these war resistors are resisting not because they can't cut it ... it's because they don't believe in the morality of the mission and they are seeking refuge from a system that is ordering them without question to do things they are morally opposed to ...

Lots of the military personnel have probably deeply regretted signing up to a four year commitment. Current military members should not be surprised they will be fighting wars (I don't think any current military member is under a commitment signed prior to 2001) but it is probably a huge dose of reality once the fighting actually starts and the combatant realizes it is much different from the movies and games.

I just hope that each war resister does a better job of weighing the decision to go AWOL much more diligently then when they signed up in the first place. If they have, then so be it.

Byrnzie

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Drowned Out

JebRand wrote:

As per the message below, Canadian Parliament will be making a decision on whether US War Resisters will be allowed to remain in Canada.

I urge you to support War Resisters in Canada and support Bill C-440.

Please act
- Andrew

Thanks for the head's up!



Here's a link to the bulk email page I found thru your links if anyone else wants to send the email:
http://letthemstay.ca/action/email-your-mp/

ONCE DEVIDED

Send the cowards back to face judgement
yes I said cowards
thats what they are for deserting their post
no backbone to do as they signed on for
no backbone to fix the very things they are against
run and hide under a rock in canada COWARDS
I know I will get abused . but in my book thats what they are.

YOUR country voted the moron back in didnt they after he started his ileagle war for the corperations.
so it was the countries will

Commy

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Send the cowards back to face judgement
yes I said cowards
thats what they are for deserting their post
no backbone to do as they signed on for
no backbone to fix the very things they are against
run and hide under a rock in canada COWARDS
I know I will get abused . but in my book thats what they are.

YOUR country voted the moron back in didnt they after he started his ileagle war for the corperations.
so it was the countries will

the majority voted for Gore, Bush stole his re-election.



cowards follow unlawful orders.


cowards don't stand up to injustice.


cowards ask how high when told to jump.


refusing to serve the most powerful military machine on the planet....that takes balls.

catefrances

sometimes its more cowardly to go along because of a misplaced sense of duty rather than be able to admit you were wrong.

ONCE DEVIDED

coward dont run
cowards dont hide
heroes do and can refuse orders. I refused orders in my time in the service, I certainly didnt run. I was initialy charged and had it overturned at tribunal.( not that it made me a heroe, but I aint standing for stupid orders from stupid NCO's)
heroes stand and fight for injustice wherever and whenever it happened
they certainly dont hide in canada
BUSH was voted president by the american people, your opnion that it was stolen is just an opinion, If i read history it will state he won, the american people chose to keep him for another 4 years.

Commy

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

coward dont run
cowards dont hide
heroes do and can refuse orders. I refused orders in my time in the service, I certainly didnt run. I was initialy charged and had it overturned at tribunal.( not that it made me a heroe, but I aint standing for stupid orders from stupid NCO's)
heroes stand and fight for injustice wherever and whenever it happened
they certainly dont hide in canada
BUSH was voted president by the american people, your opnion that it was stolen is just an opinion, If i read history it will state he won, the american people chose to keep him for another 4 years.

true about keeping bush for four years;...but people refusing to kill innocent people should have a place to go.


that's what this is about...people refusing to murder needing a place to go.






if you refuse to serve an order that could kill innocent ppl...one way to rebel is to go awol.....and leave the jurisdiction of your military machine. as an american, that may involve slipping into canada.


that's standing up for human rights on a full scale.. that's honorable. that is what should be hapeneing on a scale counted in the millions. i believe it will get that big, when the war gets that big/.



a place to say no to murder/....we shoul have a [place where people can go and say no to murder./



right now its canada, as it should be.


these are true heroes of war, refusing to fire on innocents.and canada is their sanctuary

Commy

if you are a servicemen fightgintg to laylay down you arms,all all weclome to disarm.


go to canada en masse, in cananada you will find an end to the war.




lay down your guns uin canada. you wil ihave imunity.




the war will be over for you once you reach canada.



lay down you arms.

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

heroes stand and fight for injustice wherever and whenever it happened

A lot of the resisters have fought against injustice. They've fought the injustice of the Iraq war by being vocal about their beliefs and actions.

Cowards kill women and children, not heroes.

Commy

edit....accidental post

ONCE DEVIDED

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

heroes stand and fight for injustice wherever and whenever it happened

A lot of the resisters have fought against injustice. They've fought the injustice of the Iraq war by being vocal about their beliefs and actions.

Cowards kill women and children, not heroes.

heroes stand and fight against injustice, they dont run and hide in canada

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

heroes stand and fight against injustice, they dont run and hide in canada

It's not possible to fight injustice when you're incarcerated.

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

heroes stand and fight against injustice, they dont run and hide in canada

It's not possible to fight injustice when you're incarcerated.

nor is it possible to fight injustice when your orders are to commit it.....