The issue with "popular vote" is sometimes a minority (whatever it may be) has to be protected from the tyranny of the majority. Ex. slavery, civil rights in the 60's, women's right to vote etc.
Yeah I can see my error of debate, but I didn't mean to imply that. Overall I just strongly feel that there shouldn't be laws banning gay marriage, and if there are...they shouldn't be voted on by popular vote, which in turn makes me think that such laws wouldn't exist because the government would have no justification to deny them the marriage rights.
I get you - I was mainly contending the point about separation of church and state.
We don't disagree on the laws about marriage, although when we start limiting what can be a vote by the public I think it's a scary, slippery slope. In some ways, I wish the public could vote on EVERY issue and leave the politicians - who sell their votes for pork and lobbyist money - out of it.
Also, how many politicians consider themselves religious? And they are the the ones creating the laws we don't vote on.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The issue with "popular vote" is sometimes a minority (whatever it may be) has to be protected from the tyranny of the majority. Ex. slavery, civil rights in the 60's, women's right to vote etc.
I get that, although I think someone needs to be real careful when they decide the popular vote doesn't count. Whomever has that power is a scary person or entity.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yeah I can see my error of debate, but I didn't mean to imply that. Overall I just strongly feel that there shouldn't be laws banning gay marriage, and if there are...they shouldn't be voted on by popular vote, which in turn makes me think that such laws wouldn't exist because the government would have no justification to deny them the marriage rights.
I get you - I was mainly contending the point about separation of church and state.
We don't disagree on the laws about marriage, although when we start limiting what can be a vote by the public I think it's a scary, slippery slope. In some ways, I wish the public could vote on EVERY issue and leave the politicians - who sell their votes for pork and lobbyist money - out of it.
Also, how many politicians consider themselves religious? And they are the the ones creating the laws we don't vote on.
I can definitely agree with you there. There are certain laws that I too wish were strictly popular or public voting, and some that were politician voted.
That creates another discussion in its own of the character and integrity of our politicians. :roll:
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The issue with "popular vote" is sometimes a minority (whatever it may be) has to be protected from the tyranny of the majority. Ex. slavery, civil rights in the 60's, women's right to vote etc.
I get that, although I think someone needs to be real careful when they decide the popular vote doesn't count. Whomever has that power is a scary person or entity.
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Most of us agree with you... but, many Americans make a big deal out of it and the politicaians cater to them for their votes.[/quote]
Definitely. Unfortunately, at the root of it all, this shouldn't be a big deal in the first place. So there are homosexuals in this world, big fucking deal.[/quote]
That was my point.
So many real issues to focus on to worry about 2 guys getting married and spending the rest of their lives together (well 25-50% of the time )[/quote]
Religion is an ancient crutch that stubbornly hangs on in the modern age. It has always been, and continues to be about nothing more than the few finding a way to control the many. If god exists and wants his will carried out why not speak for himself to all? Instead he chooses someone and convienently speaks to them alone, far from anyone else. If people use man made systems like this to justify your own bigotry, well then shame on them.
Religion is an ancient crutch that stubbornly hangs on in the modern age. It has always been, and continues to be about nothing more than the few finding a way to control the many. If god exists and wants his will carried out why not speak for himself to all? Instead he chooses someone and convienently speaks to them alone, far from anyone else. If people use man made systems like this to justify your own bigotry, well then shame on them.
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9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
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9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
No - I'm just saying that not allowing people to vote on issues because of their religion is NOT the same thing as separation of church and state. These laws banning gay marriage were passed on a popular vote.
You're basically saying that religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote (I know you're not really saying that, but by indicating that separation of church and state is being ignored when these laws were voted into existence you kind of are)
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The thing that is getting this muddled up is this..
The Laws are created by the Government.
Voting is not a law making process... otherwise, we might still have segregated busses in the Southern States. Just because something is popular (or unpopular) does not make it legal.
Politicians used the voting process to try to wiggle off the hook on Gay Marriage. They were trying to shake their responsibilities and say, 'See... this is what the people want'. Well, just because the people may WANT it... it does not mean they get it. The Laws have to go through a process set forth by our Constitution. Politicians cannot side step their duty in order to wash their hands of the responsibilities WE pay them to do.
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So... we have a Law Making process... and a Voting process. They are different creatures. We cannot allow the mob to make our Laws. We ALL have to adhere to our Constitution and we ALL have to make sure that our wants do not violate the founding principles.
That is WHY some people will say, 'Well... let's just change the Constitution to fit our wants'. That's not how it works... we cannot violate the Constitutions Rights. Otherwise, it becomes a worthless piece of old paper.
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Religion is an ancient crutch that stubbornly hangs on in the modern age. It has always been, and continues to be about nothing more than the few finding a way to control the many. If god exists and wants his will carried out why not speak for himself to all? Instead he chooses someone and convienently speaks to them alone, far from anyone else. If people use man made systems like this to justify your own bigotry, well then shame on them.
Yeah and you know what about. I don't believe in gay marriage I'm not a bigget.
Religion is an ancient crutch that stubbornly hangs on in the modern age. It has always been, and continues to be about nothing more than the few finding a way to control the many. If god exists and wants his will carried out why not speak for himself to all? Instead he chooses someone and convienently speaks to them alone, far from anyone else. If people use man made systems like this to justify your own bigotry, well then shame on them.
Yeah and you know what about. I don't believe in gay marriage I'm not a bigget.
May I ask why you think not all people should have the same rights and protections under the law?
Religion is an ancient crutch that stubbornly hangs on in the modern age. It has always been, and continues to be about nothing more than the few finding a way to control the many. If god exists and wants his will carried out why not speak for himself to all? Instead he chooses someone and convienently speaks to them alone, far from anyone else. If people use man made systems like this to justify your own bigotry, well then shame on them.
Yeah and you know what about. I don't believe in gay marriage I'm not a bigget.
May I ask why you think not all people should have the same rights and protections under the law?
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
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How do you know what God wants you to do? Is it like a voice inside your head or what?
I'm asking... because I don't hear it.
I believe God just wants us to be happy and live in peace.
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Hail, Hail!!!
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
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How do you know what God wants you to do? Is it like a voice inside your head or what?
I'm asking... because I don't hear it.
I believe God just wants us to be happy and live in peace.
It's called the bible. He's never talked to me and I don't expect him to. I believe god wants us to be happy and live in peace also.
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
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How do you know what God wants you to do? Is it like a voice inside your head or what?
I'm asking... because I don't hear it.
I believe God just wants us to be happy and live in peace.
It's called the bible. He's never talked to me and I don't expect him to. I believe god wants us to be happy and live in peace also.
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Okay... I'm speaking to all of the other people reading this...
See? Didn't I say this?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
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Jesus said, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
When you have no sins logged against you... then go ahead and support the denial of rights to (American) citizens... cast your stone of judgement upon them.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
not jesus though, that was the bat shit crazy old testiment, maybe you should read it before making comments you have no clue about. get educated
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
not jesus though, that was the bat shit crazy old testiment, maybe you should read it before making comments you have no clue about. get educated
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Homosexuality is mentioned in Leviticus. Leviticus is also the place where we are supposed to stone someone to death for working on Sunday... how come we aren't killing all of the people who works for the NFL or NASCAR?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
You guys treat God and Christianity with no respect what so ever. You talk about it like a biggit that says fag or nigger. No respect for religion in this place and it's messed up. Hipocritz of the worst kind in here. Have a nice life people. I can't stand to be in a place anymore. Take care.
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
not jesus though, that was the bat shit crazy old testiment, maybe you should read it before making comments you have no clue about. get educated
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Homosexuality is mentioned in Leviticus. Leviticus is also the place where we are supposed to stone someone to death for working on Sunday... how come we aren't killing all of the people who works for the NFL or NASCAR?
You guys treat God and Christianity with no respect what so ever. You talk about it like a biggit that says fag or nigger. No respect for religion in this place and it's messed up. Hipocritz of the worst kind in here. Have a nice life people. I can't stand to be in a place anymore. Take care.
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That is quite the arguement. Confronted with questions triggers this type of childish tantrums instead of providing me answers to the many questions I have about God. Call me a hypocrite... because I ask questions instead of just taking it as it is dictated to me on Sunday?
It is also a perfect example of why I seperate God from religion. I much prefer my current, personal relationship with God, than having to work through the barriers that religion places between us. Maybe there would be more respect for religion... if it were explained to us instead of just taking it's ball in a tizzy fit and going home.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
He didn't say "the bible", he said "Jesus"
I wonder, since you follow biblical law so closely, do you also believe these things are correct?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
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I get you - I was mainly contending the point about separation of church and state.
We don't disagree on the laws about marriage, although when we start limiting what can be a vote by the public I think it's a scary, slippery slope. In some ways, I wish the public could vote on EVERY issue and leave the politicians - who sell their votes for pork and lobbyist money - out of it.
Also, how many politicians consider themselves religious? And they are the the ones creating the laws we don't vote on.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I get that, although I think someone needs to be real careful when they decide the popular vote doesn't count. Whomever has that power is a scary person or entity.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I can definitely agree with you there. There are certain laws that I too wish were strictly popular or public voting, and some that were politician voted.
That creates another discussion in its own of the character and integrity of our politicians. :roll:
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no doubt
So civil rights are not important. damm wish i knew that
Most of us agree with you... but, many Americans make a big deal out of it and the politicaians cater to them for their votes.[/quote]
Definitely. Unfortunately, at the root of it all, this shouldn't be a big deal in the first place. So there are homosexuals in this world, big fucking deal.[/quote]
That was my point.
So many real issues to focus on to worry about 2 guys getting married and spending the rest of their lives together (well 25-50% of the time
sorry cincy please forgot my last post.
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The thing that is getting this muddled up is this..
The Laws are created by the Government.
Voting is not a law making process... otherwise, we might still have segregated busses in the Southern States. Just because something is popular (or unpopular) does not make it legal.
Politicians used the voting process to try to wiggle off the hook on Gay Marriage. They were trying to shake their responsibilities and say, 'See... this is what the people want'. Well, just because the people may WANT it... it does not mean they get it. The Laws have to go through a process set forth by our Constitution. Politicians cannot side step their duty in order to wash their hands of the responsibilities WE pay them to do.
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So... we have a Law Making process... and a Voting process. They are different creatures. We cannot allow the mob to make our Laws. We ALL have to adhere to our Constitution and we ALL have to make sure that our wants do not violate the founding principles.
That is WHY some people will say, 'Well... let's just change the Constitution to fit our wants'. That's not how it works... we cannot violate the Constitutions Rights. Otherwise, it becomes a worthless piece of old paper.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yeah and you know what about. I don't believe in gay marriage I'm not a bigget.
May I ask why you think not all people should have the same rights and protections under the law?
I myself don't believe in gay marriage. I'm not gay so I don't have to worry about it. I don't sit around and hate on gay people I just don't agree with it. I'm a Christian so I gotta side with my father. I love god and believe he is very real and not a crutch like you said. I can't believe we are here for no reason. God the creator ask us to do certain things, we have the choice to do them or not do them.
What is there to 'Believe in'? Is Gay Marriage like a religion or Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?
Hail, Hail!!!
How do you know what God wants you to do? Is it like a voice inside your head or what?
I'm asking... because I don't hear it.
I believe God just wants us to be happy and live in peace.
Hail, Hail!!!
but gay marriage isn't a belief,
you can still be apposed to gay marriage and it be legal, just because Christan's don't "believe" in it shouldn't stop it from happening. Honestly i don't think jesus ever mentioned gay marriage, infact i dont think he really mentioned homosexuality, it wasn't banned by the church until the early 1900's
It's called the bible. He's never talked to me and I don't expect him to. I believe god wants us to be happy and live in peace also.
I don't support it is what I'm saying. Be gay all day long I don't care.
Okay... I'm speaking to all of the other people reading this...
See? Didn't I say this?
Hail, Hail!!!
Lol. The bible does mention. Homosexuality. Maybe you and alot of people should read it before making comments you have no clue about. Get educated.
Jesus said, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
When you have no sins logged against you... then go ahead and support the denial of rights to (American) citizens... cast your stone of judgement upon them.
Hail, Hail!!!
not jesus though, that was the bat shit crazy old testiment, maybe you should read it before making comments you have no clue about. get educated
Homosexuality is mentioned in Leviticus. Leviticus is also the place where we are supposed to stone someone to death for working on Sunday... how come we aren't killing all of the people who works for the NFL or NASCAR?
Hail, Hail!!!
hence why i said bat shit crazy old testiment
That is quite the arguement. Confronted with questions triggers this type of childish tantrums instead of providing me answers to the many questions I have about God. Call me a hypocrite... because I ask questions instead of just taking it as it is dictated to me on Sunday?
It is also a perfect example of why I seperate God from religion. I much prefer my current, personal relationship with God, than having to work through the barriers that religion places between us. Maybe there would be more respect for religion... if it were explained to us instead of just taking it's ball in a tizzy fit and going home.
Hail, Hail!!!
He didn't say "the bible", he said "Jesus"
I wonder, since you follow biblical law so closely, do you also believe these things are correct?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Talk abotu jesus. JESUS F Christ is it hard to understand what I meant AFTER I already clarified???
I agree with you. It dumb for people to spend so much time on this instead of just allowing equal rights.