Gays getting married

unsung

I don't have a stance because it doesn't change my life. However as a Libertarian/Constitutionalist I don't think you should deny someone something because you don't agree with them.

So this guy makes a suggestion where he says straight people should by law not be allowed to divorce because gays by law are not allowed to be married.

The bible thumpers are obviously the ones holding this all up, so what this guy is saying he is on the right path. Since bible thumpers say being gay is a sin and they don't want marriage for gays legal; isn't divorce a sin so it should also by the same logic be illegal?

Just a thought.

philthehip

I think that people who feel the need to impose on other peoples lives to such an extent should be made illegal to be honest

catefrances

unsung wrote:

I don't have a stance because it doesn't change my life. However as a Libertarian/Constitutionalist I don't think you should deny someone something because you don't agree with them.

So this guy makes a suggestion where he says straight people should by law not be allowed to divorce because gays by law are not allowed to be married.

The bible thumpers are obviously the ones holding this all up, so what this guy is saying he is on the right path. Since bible thumpers say being gay is a sin and they don't want marriage for gays legal; isn't divorce a sin so it should also by the same logic be illegal?

Just a thought.

may i suggest to this guy that he worry about his own life and not impose his belief system on others.

dcfaithful

catefrances wrote:

unsung wrote:

I don't have a stance because it doesn't change my life. However as a Libertarian/Constitutionalist I don't think you should deny someone something because you don't agree with them.

So this guy makes a suggestion where he says straight people should by law not be allowed to divorce because gays by law are not allowed to be married.

The bible thumpers are obviously the ones holding this all up, so what this guy is saying he is on the right path. Since bible thumpers say being gay is a sin and they don't want marriage for gays legal; isn't divorce a sin so it should also by the same logic be illegal?

Just a thought.

may i suggest to this guy that he worry about his own life and not impose his belief system on others.

That's exactly it, and is also the problem with the whole gay marriage "crisis" that is floating around today.

Not to hi-jack but for the sake of the topic, I wrote an argument piece for my English class last fall. If anyone is interested in reading it you can find it here: http://www.redbubble.com/people/stillframe/journal/5908055-plague-of-ignorance

In my opinion, religion should play no part in this discussion. Freedom of religion is freedom from religion.

know1

unsung wrote:

I don't have a stance because it doesn't change my life. However as a Libertarian/Constitutionalist I don't think you should deny someone something because you don't agree with them.

So this guy makes a suggestion where he says straight people should by law not be allowed to divorce because gays by law are not allowed to be married.

The bible thumpers are obviously the ones holding this all up, so what this guy is saying he is on the right path. Since bible thumpers say being gay is a sin and they don't want marriage for gays legal; isn't divorce a sin so it should also by the same logic be illegal?

Just a thought.

I agree with this. Government should get out of the marriage business.

know1

philthehip wrote:

I think that people who feel the need to impose on other peoples lives to such an extent should be made illegal to be honest

Exactly. Let's make the government illegal. It is the single biggest imposition on our lives and freedoms.

cincybearcat

Can we get past this stupid nonsense and focus on things that actually matter.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

my opinion is this:

-religion is a club. I am not a part of this club, but nonetheless. clubs can allow members as they wish, and also create the rules within their own club as they wish. this club only allows its members who are of opposite sex to get married. I have no problem with this. abide by the rules of the club, or find another club.

-civil unions are a different matter altogether. anyone who wants to get unified in the eyes of the government has that right, in my opinion.

-government should NOT be part of the aforementioned club, and therefore has no right to deny anyone the right to a civil union, and also guarantee that couple the same rights under the law that they give married couples. therein lies the whole issue.

acoustic guy

I am some what Religious but I dont think anyone hhas the right to decide whether two people can get married or not.
Its none of our business what people do with their lives...

keeponrockin

"My choice is what I choose to do
And if I'm causing no harm why should it bother you
And your choice is what you choose to be
If you're causing no harm you're alright with me"

dcfaithful

cincybearcat wrote:

Can we get past this stupid nonsense and focus on things that actually matter.

I know this isn't life changing for a lot of people, myself included, but for some...it's a big deal. It's unconstitutional for the government to actually enforce who you can or cannot marry. So, in that case...I think it does matter.

Certain people aren't getting defended by the government, which ultimately is the purpose of the government, or at least that's what it was meant to do when it was conceived...but I think we all have our own opinions on how that is a vision that may have since been lost.

I agree that this is stupid nonsense, but until people start being treated equally albeit their sexual preference, this does matter and the ignorant people that make this still existant should be silenced.

Cosmo

cincybearcat wrote:

Can we get past this stupid nonsense and focus on things that actually matter.

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Most of us agree with you... but, many Americans make a big deal out of it and the politicaians cater to them for their votes.

eyedclaar

Yeah, but now that we're "getting back to God" in the Beckian sense, I smell a shit ton of even more intolerance coming down the road.

dcfaithful

Cosmo wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Can we get past this stupid nonsense and focus on things that actually matter.

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Most of us agree with you... but, many Americans make a big deal out of it and the politicaians cater to them for their votes.

Definitely. Unfortunately, at the root of it all, this shouldn't be a big deal in the first place. So there are homosexuals in this world, big fucking deal.

Cosmo

dcfaithful wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Can we get past this stupid nonsense and focus on things that actually matter.

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Most of us agree with you... but, many Americans make a big deal out of it and the politicaians cater to them for their votes.

Definitely. Unfortunately, at the root of it all, this shouldn't be a big deal in the first place. So there are homosexuals in this world, big fucking deal.

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Ain't that the truth.
I have found that the basis of their reasoning is eventually rooted in the Bible... all that abomination stuff. But what is also found in the Bible is Jesus saying, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." So, as long as they have no sins logged against them in their lives, they can go after the Gays. But, I think this pretty much eliminates 100% of the population... DEFINATELY, 100% of the politicians.

dcfaithful

Cosmo wrote:

Ain't that the truth.
I have found that the basis of their reasoning is eventually rooted in the Bible... all that abomination stuff. But what is also found in the Bible is Jesus saying, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." So, as long as they have no sins logged against them in their lives, they can go after the Gays. But, I think this pretty much eliminates 100% of the population... DEFINATELY, 100% of the politicians.

It is really frustrating to see religious beliefs forced upon people who aren't religious, or don't practice the same religion. I'm not religious, but to me that seems completely paradoxical to the whole concept of religion.

Shouldn't one be able to choose and freely abide by their own faith? :?

"Imagine no religion...it's easy if you try."

Lash me if you will...but I think the world would be a much better place without it.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

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Ain't that the truth.
I have found that the basis of their reasoning is eventually rooted in the Bible... all that abomination stuff. But what is also found in the Bible is Jesus saying, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." So, as long as they have no sins logged against them in their lives, they can go after the Gays. But, I think this pretty much eliminates 100% of the population... DEFINATELY, 100% of the politicians.

You forgot about Tim Tebow and Mother Teresa. But I'd agree that 99.9999% of the population is eliminated

know1

dcfaithful wrote:

It is really frustrating to see religious beliefs forced upon people who aren't religious, or don't practice the same religion. I'm not religious, but to me that seems completely paradoxical to the whole concept of religion.

Shouldn't one be able to choose and freely abide by their own faith? :?

"Imagine no religion...it's easy if you try."

Lash me if you will...but I think the world would be a much better place without it.

You can choose and freely abide by your own faith? Who said you couldn't?

It's pretty difficult to FORCE someone to believe something.

dcfaithful

know1 wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

It is really frustrating to see religious beliefs forced upon people who aren't religious, or don't practice the same religion. I'm not religious, but to me that seems completely paradoxical to the whole concept of religion.

Shouldn't one be able to choose and freely abide by their own faith? :?

"Imagine no religion...it's easy if you try."

Lash me if you will...but I think the world would be a much better place without it.

You can choose and freely abide by your own faith? Who said you couldn't?

It's pretty difficult to FORCE someone to believe something.

I know I can. But by prohibiting gay marriage through legality based primarily on religious beliefs, said beliefs are enforced on the people.

know1

dcfaithful wrote:

know1 wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

It is really frustrating to see religious beliefs forced upon people who aren't religious, or don't practice the same religion. I'm not religious, but to me that seems completely paradoxical to the whole concept of religion.

Shouldn't one be able to choose and freely abide by their own faith? :?

"Imagine no religion...it's easy if you try."

Lash me if you will...but I think the world would be a much better place without it.

You can choose and freely abide by your own faith? Who said you couldn't?

It's pretty difficult to FORCE someone to believe something.

I know I can. But by prohibiting gay marriage through legality based primarily on religious beliefs, said beliefs are enforced on the people.

But that's not religion forcing that on the people. That's the governmental process.

And that's a practice and not a belief.

dcfaithful

know1 wrote:

But that's not religion forcing that on the people. That's the governmental process.

And that's a practice and not a belief.

That is why I feel that the government is failing in it's overall mission, and separation of church and state is being ignored.

The bottom line for me is that if you want to dive into the realm of marriage, nothing or nobody should be able to tell you who or what you want to do it with.