Terry Jones cancels......

unsung

The fact of the matter is he has the Right to burn it, much like there is a Right to build a mosque, much like there is a Right to burn a US flag. It is all distasteful, but they all have the Right.

You can't have it both ways.

Boxes&Books

unsung wrote:

The fact of the matter is he has the Right to burn it, much like there is a Right to build a mosque, much like there is a Right to burn a US flag. It is all distasteful, but they all have the Right.

You can't have it both ways.

Has anyone on the board argued that he doesn't have the right to burn the books, aside from a permit .etc..?

The center is located two blocks away. Would 3 blocks not be distasteful? :roll:

gimmesometruth27

very interesting coincidence.....

"Quran-burning" Fla. pastor is Cape Girardeau native, ex-classmate of Rush Limbaugh
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/af07 ... 78c22.html

Turns out Rev. Terry Jones, the leader of a tiny Gainesville, Fla., congregation who is making considerable headlines with plans for a Islamic holy book-burning tomorrow, is from Cape Girardeau.

He graduated Cape Girardeau Central High in 1969. Another member of the class of '69? Radio talker Rush Limbaugh.

The connections have been made only in the last couple of days -- just a little bit less time than Jones has been famous.

Perhaps the first to piece it together was Ken Steinoff, also a Cape Central grad (1965), who runs Capecentralhigh.com. He tracked down the preacher's yearbook photo.

Steinoff noted that Limbaugh used to be the Cape's most famous export. Now -- for this news cycle, at least -- it is Jones. And while he's taken some grief for connecting the two famous grads, Steinoff said he was struck by the coincidence.

"When you have Rush Limbaugh and Terry Jones come out of the same class," Steinoff told the Post-Dispatch, "that's extraordinary."

Jones played on the Cape Central baseball team. His first wife, who died in 1996, was a Marble Hill, Mo., native.

Jones has little connection to the Cape today. And he seems to have little support among preachers in his hometown. In a letter to the editor published today in the Southeast Missourian, a preacher and five others asked Jones to reconsider his plan.

Boxes&Books

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

very interesting coincidence.....

"Quran-burning" Fla. pastor is Cape Girardeau native, ex-classmate of Rush Limbaugh
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/af07 ... 78c22.html

Turns out Rev. Terry Jones, the leader of a tiny Gainesville, Fla., congregation who is making considerable headlines with plans for a Islamic holy book-burning tomorrow, is from Cape Girardeau.

He graduated Cape Girardeau Central High in 1969. Another member of the class of '69? Radio talker Rush Limbaugh.

The connections have been made only in the last couple of days -- just a little bit less time than Jones has been famous.

Perhaps the first to piece it together was Ken Steinoff, also a Cape Central grad (1965), who runs Capecentralhigh.com. He tracked down the preacher's yearbook photo.

Steinoff noted that Limbaugh used to be the Cape's most famous export. Now -- for this news cycle, at least -- it is Jones. And while he's taken some grief for connecting the two famous grads, Steinoff said he was struck by the coincidence.

"When you have Rush Limbaugh and Terry Jones come out of the same class," Steinoff told the Post-Dispatch, "that's extraordinary."

Jones played on the Cape Central baseball team. His first wife, who died in 1996, was a Marble Hill, Mo., native.

Jones has little connection to the Cape today. And he seems to have little support among preachers in his hometown. In a letter to the editor published today in the Southeast Missourian, a preacher and five others asked Jones to reconsider his plan.

Very interesting...... I believe that there are a lot of big wig/hard right conservatives supporting this wacko and possibly showing support with hard cash!

Jason P

Interesting coincidence on the Limbaugh connection, but I don't know if it holds any water. I was classmates with Drew Brees . . . yet I can't throw a football over 30 yards and I know how to cut and comb my hair.

ONCE DEVIDED

unsung wrote:

The fact of the matter is he has the Right to burn it, much like there is a Right to build a mosque, much like there is a Right to burn a US flag. It is all distasteful, but they all have the Right.

You can't have it both ways.

and you have the right to stir the pot
Sure he has rights to do whatever. BUT
and a big BUT
what about the young men and women of the world who are fighting in afganistan. do they have the right to not have fools like this goading the enemy, helpi the enemy recruit more suicide bombers etc.
and thats the problem.General P has already said enough I dont need to add.'
RIGHTS COME WITH RESPONSABILITY

Gary Carter

Jason P wrote:

mrvedderson wrote:

I say, let him burn them. Then he will be murdered by extremists. Everyone with a right mind will just shake their head in disgust. Then it will be done.

That would be fine if he was the only target, but if a cartoon can cause riots and the deaths of a significant number of people, this could be 10 times worse.

I really don't think it would be a bad idea for us to beat the crap out of this guy. Nobody worth a damn has supported this guy.

don't we have the right to free speech in america? i guess you wanna beat the crap outta people that burn the american flag at war protests or that god hates fags cult. would you wanna beat me up if i burned the holy bible right now and posted it on youtube for the whole world to see.

Jacurutu22

metsfan wrote:

Jason P wrote:

mrvedderson wrote:

I say, let him burn them. Then he will be murdered by extremists. Everyone with a right mind will just shake their head in disgust. Then it will be done.

That would be fine if he was the only target, but if a cartoon can cause riots and the deaths of a significant number of people, this could be 10 times worse.

I really don't think it would be a bad idea for us to beat the crap out of this guy. Nobody worth a damn has supported this guy.

don't we have the right to free speech in america? i guess you wanna beat the crap outta people that burn the american flag at war protests or that god hates fags cult. would you wanna beat me up if i burned the holy bible right now and posted it on youtube for the whole world to see.

Freedom of Speech as protected by the First Amendment only deals with government interference with our freedom of expression by way of congressional law. The First Amendment doesn't protect against anything BUT laws abridging the Freedom of Speech. I'm not in any way condoning the idea that violence be used to suppress expression, just pointing out that, as far as the Constitution is concerned, there's no freedom to speak without consequence, and no guarantees that people have to listen. Unless I'm congress passing a law to do so, I'm not infringing anything by telling another person to shut up.

cincybearcat

Jacurutu22 wrote:

Freedom of Speech as protected by the First Amendment only deals with government interference with our freedom of expression by way of congressional law.

Please tell this to all the musicians out there.

Jason P

metsfan wrote:

Jason P wrote:

mrvedderson wrote:

I say, let him burn them. Then he will be murdered by extremists. Everyone with a right mind will just shake their head in disgust. Then it will be done.

That would be fine if he was the only target, but if a cartoon can cause riots and the deaths of a significant number of people, this could be 10 times worse.

I really don't think it would be a bad idea for us to beat the crap out of this guy. Nobody worth a damn has supported this guy.

don't we have the right to free speech in america? i guess you wanna beat the crap outta people that burn the american flag at war protests or that god hates fags cult. would you wanna beat me up if i burned the holy bible right now and posted it on youtube for the whole world to see.

yes. :crazy:

Of course I don't really want to hurt anybody. But if 100% of people with political credentials tell someone to knock it off, and they don't knock it off, it is frustrating to see an "Oh well, what are you going to do" attitude. There is the potential for hundreds of people to die because of this man's actions and we just sit back and do nothing.

Gary Carter

Jason P wrote:

yes. :crazy:

Of course I don't really want to hurt anybody. But if 100% of people with political credentials tell someone to knock it off, and they don't knock it off, it is frustrating to see an "Oh well, what are you going to do" attitude. There is the potential for hundreds of people to die because of this man's actions and we just sit back and do nothing.

so what do you suggest we do to this crazed person

wolfamongwolves

metsfan wrote:

Jason P wrote:

mrvedderson wrote:

I say, let him burn them. Then he will be murdered by extremists. Everyone with a right mind will just shake their head in disgust. Then it will be done.

That would be fine if he was the only target, but if a cartoon can cause riots and the deaths of a significant number of people, this could be 10 times worse.

I really don't think it would be a bad idea for us to beat the crap out of this guy. Nobody worth a damn has supported this guy.

don't we have the right to free speech in america? i guess you wanna beat the crap outta people that burn the american flag at war protests or that god hates fags cult. would you wanna beat me up if i burned the holy bible right now and posted it on youtube for the whole world to see.

Having the right to do something doesn't automatically mean that you should do it. There are responsibilities that come with rights. Rights do not exist in isolation from each other, and if you invoke you rights unquestioningly just because you have them, and don't consider the impact on others, you run the serious risk of violating someone else's rights in the processs. Which undermines the very point of rights in the first place. And that is precisely what is happening here.

Yes, he has the right to free speech (not just in America either - it's a universal right), but his actions violates Muslim's right to "freedom of thought, conscience and religion... and to manifest [their] religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance" i.e. via the Qur'an.

wolfamongwolves

Terry Jones: "Not today, not ever."

Jacurutu22

Ohio redneck Garrison Seeger: "America knows, if they put their glasses on that the Muslim Nation is definitely after us,"

http://www.wytv.com/mostpopular/story/Islamic-Holy-Book-Burns-in-North-Lima/mqxCKcsDqkiyniS_ate0Aw.cspx

I guess there's no escaping the slowest common denominator...

catefrances

i cant understand how someone who represents so little gets so much time and space.

StillHere

catefrances wrote:

i cant understand how someone who represents so little gets so much time and space.

you made it, you played it, your sh**t is over-rated....that's what i have to say about all this crap.

overblown, over-reaction, over-reported, over-the-top...just like he planned....

we should just ignore ppl who do things like this, regardless of denomination or what group they are hating on today or tomorrow...

let it all be ignored and go away without any fanfare at all

then maybe they wouldn't have an incentive to do such inane assenine things

its like the 3 year old who has a tantrum so someone will notice him..ignore him and he stops crying

same idea

that's how i see it

i know a lot of you disagree...but think about it...if no one responded, what would be the point of any of these extremists continuing with this crap? really? hmmmm?

catefrances

my favourite part of this whole billshit is when he said theres been an agreement between him and those responsible for the cultural centre in manhattan... he stops the quran burning and theyll stop the building. yeah right little man.

wolfamongwolves

StillHere wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i cant understand how someone who represents so little gets so much time and space.

you made it, you played it, your sh**t is over-rated....that's what i have to say about all this crap.

overblown, over-reaction, over-reported, over-the-top...just like he planned....

we should just ignore ppl who do things like this, regardless of denomination or what group they are hating on today or tomorrow...

let it all be ignored and go away without any fanfare at all

then maybe they wouldn't have an incentive to do such inane assenine things

its like the 3 year old who has a tantrum so someone will notice him..ignore him and he stops crying

same idea

that's how i see it

i know a lot of you disagree...but think about it...if no one responded, what would be the point of any of these extremists continuing with this crap? really? hmmmm?

I don't disagree. I think that's pretty much about the size of it, theoretically. Much harder to put into practice, though.

StillHere

wolfamongwolves wrote:

StillHere wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i cant understand how someone who represents so little gets so much time and space.

you made it, you played it, your sh**t is over-rated....that's what i have to say about all this crap.

overblown, over-reaction, over-reported, over-the-top...just like he planned....

we should just ignore ppl who do things like this, regardless of denomination or what group they are hating on today or tomorrow...

let it all be ignored and go away without any fanfare at all

then maybe they wouldn't have an incentive to do such inane assenine things

its like the 3 year old who has a tantrum so someone will notice him..ignore him and he stops crying

same idea

that's how i see it

i know a lot of you disagree...but think about it...if no one responded, what would be the point of any of these extremists continuing with this crap? really? hmmmm?

I don't disagree. I think that's pretty much about the size of it, theoretically. Much harder to put into practice, though.

wolfy...i know you are right...i tend to be a bit idealistic in my thinking...it would be so nice if things could go the way i envision them, but you, the realist, are absolutely correct, much easier said than done :problem: :wave:

catefrances

StillHere wrote:

wolfy...i know you are right...i tend to be a bit idealistic in my thinking...it would be so nice if things could go the way i envision them, but you, the realist, are absolutely correct, much easier said than done :problem: :wave:

the world needs idealists.

it would be cool if we could ignore the fools and hypocrites who hijack things for their own means.. but tis what makes us such an interestng species. how boring would it be if we all agreed on everything?? i for one would be comatose.