No reason to be sore at the daily show quote. I think John Stewart is at his best when exposing the bullshit way of arguing just by modifying the subject slightly.
The point of the joke was to show how "guilt by association" is basically bullshit, and to show how easily it can be spun into something ludicrus using that mode of argumentation.
There's no credible way you can spin this imam into being a scary fundamentalist, sorry. His life, written works and cross-faith initiatives with jews and christians before this one testifies against him being a radical loonie. Some quotes that seem to land him squarely in democrat land isn't exactly anti-american or any such thing. Seriously, do anyone even question that American foreign policy had something to do with being attacked? Note I'm not talking about deserving, and neither does he in the quote mentioned.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..
“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]
and
I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
quote]
Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.
I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?
You don't see any thing wrong with these statments ?? Wow !!
So you actually agree with this guy ??
You need to go to listen to these links. After listening to him I don't think he's that moderate at all.
yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.
Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
Then there's stories like these on the same web site...
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Talk shit? No... I'm just making a point. And what is that behind the computer comment supposed to mean? Are you saying that if I were to say this to you in person... you would get violent about it? That mere words would set off some sort of psychopathic rage that cannot be dealt with using your mind... so, you have to resort to physical violence? What?
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Now... the Daily Show simply pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and his personal Charity, the Kingdom Foundation. They also pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and News Corporation. That's it. I got the basic idea from them.
I looked up Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal the referenced the article from that site for the information I used to put together that whole 'Connect The Dots/Follow The Money' thing. By using FOX News' Glenn Beck's methodology of connecting facts to come up with a conclusion that seems to make sense, i presumed it would validate my conclusion, in your mind. My reasoning was, if you think Glenn Beck's logical reasoning is valid... and I use the same model he does... then, you would validate my conclusion.
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Finally... what does that article you posted have to do with the Community Center in Manhattan?
If you are using that website as an example of referencing valid points... and it's the same website I used... then, the information I obtained from there are valid and verify my conclusion that you are, indeed, supporting the building of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
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Thank you... your questions and comments are welcomed.
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I caught this from the Daily Show...
A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
Ratings are based upon viewership.
...
Therefore...
*IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
Then,
Fox News gets higher ratings...
that attracts sponsors...
who pays Fox News...
which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
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Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
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reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/
Fox can not discriminate against anyone who wants to buy shares..... yet this shows that Muslims are "buying" America. Those putting this news out there thinking it will help there cause has just opened the eyes of the naive American people.
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Sorry... but, a little more explanation is needed here.
I know, anyone can buy stocks.
'Muslims' are buying America... because America is up for sale.
That last sentence... who is opening the eyes of naive Americans? FOX News? If they are... why aren't they exposing the connections of one of their co-owners to these 'Terror Groups'? Is it because they are more concerned about keeping their jobs, than alerting America?
OR...
Is FOX News part of the same plan to bring down America by people who hate America?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..
“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf
and
I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.
I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?
You don't see any thing wrong with these statments ?? Wow !!
So you actually agree with this guy ??
You need to go to listen to these links. After listening to him I don't think he's that moderate at all.
I can't say I agree with the first quote, because I'm not familiar with the word Sharia. That's why I said I don't see anything wrong with it instead of saying I agree.
I do agree with the 2nd & 3rd quotes, as do many, many Americans. They are simple observations (which shouldn't land anyone in hot water anyway since they're not value statements) and they're accurate. Terrorism against the United States is a reaction to U.S. policies. Is that really so radical a statement?
I can't say I "agree with this guy" based on these three statements. But I don't have any reason to disagree with him.
I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?
...Seriously, do anyone even question that American foreign policy had something to do with being attacked? Note I'm not talking about deserving, and neither does he in the quote mentioned.
Peace
Dan
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I believe that our decades of meddling in Middle Eastern internal political affairs and having our puppets run the show over there... for our benefit, not theirs... lead to the anger and hatred towards us. That whole, "They hate our Freedom' is complete bullshit that only the morons over here buy into. They don't hate us for who we are... they hate us for what we DO.
If we weren't over there for all those years... they wouldn't have come here that September morning.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.
Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
Then there's stories like these on the same web site...
...
Talk shit? No... I'm just making a point. And what is that behind the computer comment supposed to mean? Are you saying that if I were to say this to you in person... you would get violent about it? That mere words would set off some sort of psychopathic rage that cannot be dealt with your mind... so, you have to resort to physical violence? What?
...
Now... the Daily Show simply pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and his personal Charity, the Kingdom Foundation. They also pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and News Corporation. That's it. I got the basic idea from them.
I looked up Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal the referenced the article from that site for the information I used to put together that whole 'Connect The Dots/Follow The Money' thing. By using FOX News' Glenn Beck's methodology of connecting facts to come up with a conclusion that seems to make sense, i presumed it would validate my conclusion, in your mind. My reasoning was, if you think Glenn Beck's logical reasoning is valid... and I use the same model he does... then, you would validate my conclusion.
...
Finally... what does that article you posted have to do with the Community Center in Manhattan?
If you are using that website as an example of referencing valid points... and it's the same website I used... then, the information I obtained from there are valid and verify my conclusion that you are, indeed, supporting the building of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Thank you... your questions and comments are welcomed.
I see it as taliking shit. I mean why are you singling me out ? Im not the only poster on here that doesn't support it being built at their chosen location.( and no I wouldn't smack you)
So I guees what your saying is everyone who watches fox news supports the cordoba project ?
I don' t agree with everything fox news does. For example: one of their biggest advertisers is progressive ins.
Peter B. Lewis is the current Chairman (and former CEO)
Board Chairman of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Corporation
Major donor to Democrat political candidates and leftist causes
Close friend of George Soros
“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf
"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
I can't say I agree with the first quote, because I'm not familiar with the word Sharia. That's why I said I don't see anything wrong with it instead of saying I agree.
I do agree with the 2nd & 3rd quotes, as do many, many Americans. They are simple observations (which shouldn't land anyone in hot water anyway since they're not value statements) and they're accurate. Terrorism against the United States is a reaction to U.S. policies. Is that really so radical a statement?
I can't say I "agree with this guy" based on these three statements. But I don't have any reason to disagree with him.
I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?
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"The term "Sharia" (a.k.a. Shari'a) literally means "the path to a watering hole." The Guardian newspaper in the UK describes Sharia as: "... a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." It is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life.
Sharia is derived both from:
The teachings of the Qur'an. This is the Muslim holy book, which corresponds to the Jews' Torah and the Christians' Holy Bible. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the Word of God, as dictated to the prophet Muhammad by the angel Gabriel.
From Sunna, which is referred to as Islamic "Custom or practice; particularly that associated with the exemplary life of the Prophet Muhammad, comprising his deeds and utterances as recorded in the hadith." The hadith literally means "report" or "narrative" .
ref. ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm )
... "What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state."
Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement would be true if in America, we adhere to a religious code of living. We all have to answer that question ourselves... we we, or don't we... specifically, Do I or don't I?
... "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
On the second statement... he is correct. Our foriegn policy in the Middle East is why they are pissed. They aren't angry at our Bill of Rights... anyone who believes that has to just step back and think about is for a minute... if they are capable of thought.
... "Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
On the third statement... absolutely true. We (under the Reagan Administration) created Usama bin Laden in the 1980s by trainning him and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Army's occupation of Afghanistan. This should make those who use the excuse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to re-think that ridiculously flawed reasoning... if they are able to use an enema to plop their heads out of their asses.
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I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?
Who cares ??? Are you freaking serious ?
I care and 100% of the 70 % of the Americans who are oppsed to thie cordoba projects location care.
I know i know were all just abunch of bigots and islamaphobes right ?? :roll:
I see it as taliking shit. I mean why are you singling me out ? Im not the only poster on here that doesn't support it being built at their chosen location.( and no I wouldn't smack you)
So I guees what your saying is everyone who watches fox news supports the cordoba project ?
I don' t agree with everything fox news does. For example: one of their biggest advertisers is progressive ins.
Peter B. Lewis is the current Chairman (and former CEO)
Board Chairman of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Corporation
Major donor to Democrat political candidates and leftist causes
Close friend of George Soros
so does that mean I support him to ?
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Thanx for clearing that up...
I hope you see the flawed method i used to come up with a completely ridiculous conclusion.
I used the SAME METHODS employed by FOX News, specifically, Glenn Beck, to take facts (all of those statements in my first paragraph were true and factual) to somehow connect them in a way that seems to make sense and come up with the ridiculous conclusion that you are funding the Community Center (because that is what it is, a Community Center with a place set aside for prayer).
It is an example of how you can be manipulated by people who use facts in a muddled up way to come to conclusions that are false.
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I hope you watch FOX News with a bit of a jaundiced eye from now on... they are NOT looking out for your best interests... they are looking out for theirs. Rating = Money... that is what is important to them.
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peace...
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
On the third statement... absolutely true. We (under the Reagan Administration) created Usama bin Laden in the 1980s by trainning him and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Army's occupation of Afghanistan. This should make those who use the excuse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to re-think that ridiculously flawed reasoning... if they are able to use an enema to plop their heads out of their asses.
thats true that we trained the mujahadeen to defeat the soviets but that doesn't mean we trained him to help plot 911. That's one of the most absurd conclusions I've ever heard.
@cosmo
believe it or not I have started second guessing some of fox news and doing my own research. The only program I really watch on fox is special report
On the third statement... absolutely true. We (under the Reagan Administration) created Usama bin Laden in the 1980s by trainning him and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Army's occupation of Afghanistan. This should make those who use the excuse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to re-think that ridiculously flawed reasoning... if they are able to use an enema to plop their heads out of their asses.
thats true that we trained the mujahadeen to defeat the soviets but that doesn't mean we trained him to help plot 911. That's one of the most absurd conclusions I've ever heard.
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Then, you agree with:
"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
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That's all I'm saying... we created the monster.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.
I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?
Who cares ??? Are you freaking serious ?
I care and 100% of the 70 % of the Americans who are oppsed to thie cordoba projects location care.
I know i know were all just abunch of bigots and islamaphobes right ?? :roll:
I'm not a moderate. Does that mean I can't build a community center with a church in it? :?
I don' t agree with everything fox news does. For example: one of their biggest advertisers is progressive ins.
Peter B. Lewis is the current Chairman (and former CEO)
Board Chairman of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Corporation
Major donor to Democrat political candidates and leftist causes
Close friend of George Soros
so does that mean I support him to ?
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But... Progressive Insurance Company is a sponsor. You can choose to purchase car insurance elsewhere. It has nothing to do with FOX News or its parent company, News Corporation. Progressive does not have a say on editorial content of FOX News programs.
FOX News, on the other hand, has full control of what it decides for its programs. They point out that the same Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal's personal charity, the Kingdom Foundation, contributes to the Cordoba Project and ties that charity to Hamas and Iran... to convince FOX News viewers that there is a link to terrorism between Iran, Hamas and the Cordoba Project.
The SAME Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal that is the second largest shareholder of News Corp, after owner, Rupert Murdoch. They suggest that Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has terrorist connections... someone who OWNS $2.5-billion-worth of News Corp.
Do FOX News commentators ever mention his name on their boradcasts? NO, they don't.
Why don't they ever mention his name? Because he is a co-owner of the company they work for!!! They don't want to lose their jobs and those celebrity based salaries.
So, you can draw a Glenn Beck-esque connect the dots scenario that leads to the conclusion that... FOX News has ties to terrorism... and the people who watch FOX News are participating in terrorist activities by increasing their revenues, thus, raising their ratings. That is only IF.. you actually believe FOX News and their stories suggesting that Iran and Hamas has ties to the Cordoba Project. Because if you believe that line of reasoning... you have to follow the same line of reasoning that links Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal with FOX News and your participation in aiding terrorism by funding it.
So, who's best interests are FOX News commentators serving?
Answer: Their best interests (their high salaries) and NOT your best interests.
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nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.
even if it includes a mosque........the attacks on 9.11 were not religious, or motivated by religion or done to see 72 virgins in the sky......it was a political act. why else would they choose the twin towers, a symbol of american imperialism? if the goal was to kill americans....why not fly those planes into a stadium at a sporting event? they chose the twin towers because 9.11 was an attack against american imperialism, more than it was jihad against american infidels.
which makes the entire argument about whether to build a mosque at ground zero moot, unless you are a racist.
nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.
even if it includes a mosque........the attacks on 9.11 were not religious, or motivated by religion or done to see 72 virgins in the sky......it was a political act. why else would they choose the twin towers, a symbol of american imperialism? if the goal was to kill americans....why not fly those planes into a stadium at a sporting event? they chose the twin towers because 9.11 was an attack against american imperialism, more than it was jihad against american infidels.
which makes the entire argument about whether to build a mosque at ground zero moot, unless you are a racist.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
The developer behind the controversial Park51 Islamic cultural center has released the first official renderings of what the 16-story building might look like. The Islamic center is envisioned as having a sleek, modern design covered in hexagrams that resemble a honeycomb.
However, as has been the case throughout the controversy surrounding the project, critics are finding other messages in the design plans. Conservative blogger Pam Geller, a leading foe of the project, has denounced the honeycomb design as a representation of "crashing Stars of David," and described the design plan as "diabolically audacious."
Other observers have interpreted the conceptual plans as a statement on the project's broader interfaith message. Ed Pilkington, a writer for the U.K. Guardian, contends the structure's Star of David echo is one among several design elements crafted consciously in "homage to other religions"; the overall effect of the drawings, he argues, is to render Park51 a "decidedly upbeat and glamorous building, more festive than threatening." Meanwhile, a Park51 spokesman pointed out through Twitter that the hexagrams come from an Arabic architecture technique called Mashrabiya.
The project's developer, meanwhile, is confident the building will win over its many detractors."I don't think that once this thing gets built, anyone will be picketing," Sharif El-Gamal told the Associated Press.
El-Gamal told the AP that four of the 16 floors will be a swimming pool and sports center, one floor will be a child care center, and two floors at the bottom will be a prayer space for Muslims. A 9/11 memorial will be on the 12th floor. A restaurant, auditorium, artist studios and culinary school will take up the rest of the space.
The drawings come from Soma Architects, one of several firms competing for the contract. No architect has been picked, and fundraising has not officially begun for the project.
Here's the image of the interior:
And here's another interior view of the project:
exterior
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The developer behind the controversial Park51 Islamic cultural center has released the first official renderings of what the 16-story building might look like. The Islamic center is envisioned as having a sleek, modern design covered in hexagrams that resemble a honeycomb.
However, as has been the case throughout the controversy surrounding the project, critics are finding other messages in the design plans. Conservative blogger Pam Geller, a leading foe of the project, has denounced the honeycomb design as a representation of "crashing Stars of David," and described the design plan as "diabolically audacious."
Other observers have interpreted the conceptual plans as a statement on the project's broader interfaith message. Ed Pilkington, a writer for the U.K. Guardian, contends the structure's Star of David echo is one among several design elements crafted consciously in "homage to other religions"; the overall effect of the drawings, he argues, is to render Park51 a "decidedly upbeat and glamorous building, more festive than threatening." Meanwhile, a Park51 spokesman pointed out through Twitter that the hexagrams come from an Arabic architecture technique called Mashrabiya.
The project's developer, meanwhile, is confident the building will win over its many detractors."I don't think that once this thing gets built, anyone will be picketing," Sharif El-Gamal told the Associated Press.
El-Gamal told the AP that four of the 16 floors will be a swimming pool and sports center, one floor will be a child care center, and two floors at the bottom will be a prayer space for Muslims. A 9/11 memorial will be on the 12th floor. A restaurant, auditorium, artist studios and culinary school will take up the rest of the space.
The drawings come from Soma Architects, one of several firms competing for the contract. No architect has been picked, and fundraising has not officially begun for the project.
Here's the image of the interior:
And here's another interior view of the project:
exterior
well its CLEARLY a intentional insult to honeycombs cereal, winnie the pooh and colonies of bees worldwide.
damn disgrace! HOW DARE THEY!
The developer behind the controversial Park51 Islamic cultural center has released the first official renderings of what the 16-story building might look like. The Islamic center is envisioned as having a sleek, modern design covered in hexagrams that resemble a honeycomb.
However, as has been the case throughout the controversy surrounding the project, critics are finding other messages in the design plans. Conservative blogger Pam Geller, a leading foe of the project, has denounced the honeycomb design as a representation of "crashing Stars of David," and described the design plan as "diabolically audacious."
Other observers have interpreted the conceptual plans as a statement on the project's broader interfaith message. Ed Pilkington, a writer for the U.K. Guardian, contends the structure's Star of David echo is one among several design elements crafted consciously in "homage to other religions"; the overall effect of the drawings, he argues, is to render Park51 a "decidedly upbeat and glamorous building, more festive than threatening." Meanwhile, a Park51 spokesman pointed out through Twitter that the hexagrams come from an Arabic architecture technique called Mashrabiya.
The project's developer, meanwhile, is confident the building will win over its many detractors."I don't think that once this thing gets built, anyone will be picketing," Sharif El-Gamal told the Associated Press.
El-Gamal told the AP that four of the 16 floors will be a swimming pool and sports center, one floor will be a child care center, and two floors at the bottom will be a prayer space for Muslims. A 9/11 memorial will be on the 12th floor. A restaurant, auditorium, artist studios and culinary school will take up the rest of the space.
The drawings come from Soma Architects, one of several firms competing for the contract. No architect has been picked, and fundraising has not officially begun for the project.
Here's the image of the interior:
And here's another interior view of the project:
exterior
well its CLEARLY a intentional insult to honeycombs cereal, winnie the pooh and colonies of bees worldwide.
damn disgrace! HOW DARE THEY!
insectism is what it is. rubbing it in our face. the honey.
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The point of the joke was to show how "guilt by association" is basically bullshit, and to show how easily it can be spun into something ludicrus using that mode of argumentation.
There's no credible way you can spin this imam into being a scary fundamentalist, sorry. His life, written works and cross-faith initiatives with jews and christians before this one testifies against him being a radical loonie. Some quotes that seem to land him squarely in democrat land isn't exactly anti-american or any such thing. Seriously, do anyone even question that American foreign policy had something to do with being attacked? Note I'm not talking about deserving, and neither does he in the quote mentioned.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
You don't see any thing wrong with these statments ?? Wow !!
So you actually agree with this guy ??
You need to go to listen to these links. After listening to him I don't think he's that moderate at all.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... words.html
http://www.investigativeproject.org/212 ... radicalism
Talk shit? No... I'm just making a point. And what is that behind the computer comment supposed to mean? Are you saying that if I were to say this to you in person... you would get violent about it? That mere words would set off some sort of psychopathic rage that cannot be dealt with using your mind... so, you have to resort to physical violence? What?
...
Now... the Daily Show simply pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and his personal Charity, the Kingdom Foundation. They also pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and News Corporation. That's it. I got the basic idea from them.
I looked up Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal the referenced the article from that site for the information I used to put together that whole 'Connect The Dots/Follow The Money' thing. By using FOX News' Glenn Beck's methodology of connecting facts to come up with a conclusion that seems to make sense, i presumed it would validate my conclusion, in your mind. My reasoning was, if you think Glenn Beck's logical reasoning is valid... and I use the same model he does... then, you would validate my conclusion.
...
Finally... what does that article you posted have to do with the Community Center in Manhattan?
If you are using that website as an example of referencing valid points... and it's the same website I used... then, the information I obtained from there are valid and verify my conclusion that you are, indeed, supporting the building of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Thank you... your questions and comments are welcomed.
Hail, Hail!!!
Sorry... but, a little more explanation is needed here.
I know, anyone can buy stocks.
'Muslims' are buying America... because America is up for sale.
That last sentence... who is opening the eyes of naive Americans? FOX News? If they are... why aren't they exposing the connections of one of their co-owners to these 'Terror Groups'? Is it because they are more concerned about keeping their jobs, than alerting America?
OR...
Is FOX News part of the same plan to bring down America by people who hate America?
Hail, Hail!!!
I can't say I agree with the first quote, because I'm not familiar with the word Sharia. That's why I said I don't see anything wrong with it instead of saying I agree.
I do agree with the 2nd & 3rd quotes, as do many, many Americans. They are simple observations (which shouldn't land anyone in hot water anyway since they're not value statements) and they're accurate. Terrorism against the United States is a reaction to U.S. policies. Is that really so radical a statement?
I can't say I "agree with this guy" based on these three statements. But I don't have any reason to disagree with him.
I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?
I believe that our decades of meddling in Middle Eastern internal political affairs and having our puppets run the show over there... for our benefit, not theirs... lead to the anger and hatred towards us. That whole, "They hate our Freedom' is complete bullshit that only the morons over here buy into. They don't hate us for who we are... they hate us for what we DO.
If we weren't over there for all those years... they wouldn't have come here that September morning.
Hail, Hail!!!
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I see it as taliking shit. I mean why are you singling me out ? Im not the only poster on here that doesn't support it being built at their chosen location.( and no I wouldn't smack you)
So I guees what your saying is everyone who watches fox news supports the cordoba project ?
I don' t agree with everything fox news does. For example: one of their biggest advertisers is progressive ins.
Peter B. Lewis is the current Chairman (and former CEO)
Board Chairman of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Corporation
Major donor to Democrat political candidates and leftist causes
Close friend of George Soros
so does that mean I support him to ?
"The term "Sharia" (a.k.a. Shari'a) literally means "the path to a watering hole." The Guardian newspaper in the UK describes Sharia as: "... a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." It is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life.
Sharia is derived both from:
The teachings of the Qur'an. This is the Muslim holy book, which corresponds to the Jews' Torah and the Christians' Holy Bible. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the Word of God, as dictated to the prophet Muhammad by the angel Gabriel.
From Sunna, which is referred to as Islamic "Custom or practice; particularly that associated with the exemplary life of the Prophet Muhammad, comprising his deeds and utterances as recorded in the hadith." The hadith literally means "report" or "narrative" .
ref. ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm )
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"What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state."
Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement would be true if in America, we adhere to a religious code of living. We all have to answer that question ourselves... we we, or don't we... specifically, Do I or don't I?
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"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
On the second statement... he is correct. Our foriegn policy in the Middle East is why they are pissed. They aren't angry at our Bill of Rights... anyone who believes that has to just step back and think about is for a minute... if they are capable of thought.
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"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
On the third statement... absolutely true. We (under the Reagan Administration) created Usama bin Laden in the 1980s by trainning him and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Army's occupation of Afghanistan. This should make those who use the excuse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to re-think that ridiculously flawed reasoning... if they are able to use an enema to plop their heads out of their asses.
Hail, Hail!!!
Who cares ??? Are you freaking serious ?
I care and 100% of the 70 % of the Americans who are oppsed to thie cordoba projects location care.
I know i know were all just abunch of bigots and islamaphobes right ?? :roll:
Thanx for clearing that up...
I hope you see the flawed method i used to come up with a completely ridiculous conclusion.
I used the SAME METHODS employed by FOX News, specifically, Glenn Beck, to take facts (all of those statements in my first paragraph were true and factual) to somehow connect them in a way that seems to make sense and come up with the ridiculous conclusion that you are funding the Community Center (because that is what it is, a Community Center with a place set aside for prayer).
It is an example of how you can be manipulated by people who use facts in a muddled up way to come to conclusions that are false.
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I hope you watch FOX News with a bit of a jaundiced eye from now on... they are NOT looking out for your best interests... they are looking out for theirs. Rating = Money... that is what is important to them.
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peace...
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thats true that we trained the mujahadeen to defeat the soviets but that doesn't mean we trained him to help plot 911. That's one of the most absurd conclusions I've ever heard.
believe it or not I have started second guessing some of fox news and doing my own research. The only program I really watch on fox is special report
Then, you agree with:
"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
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That's all I'm saying... we created the monster.
Hail, Hail!!!
Thanks!
I'm not a moderate. Does that mean I can't build a community center with a church in it? :?
But... Progressive Insurance Company is a sponsor. You can choose to purchase car insurance elsewhere. It has nothing to do with FOX News or its parent company, News Corporation. Progressive does not have a say on editorial content of FOX News programs.
FOX News, on the other hand, has full control of what it decides for its programs. They point out that the same Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal's personal charity, the Kingdom Foundation, contributes to the Cordoba Project and ties that charity to Hamas and Iran... to convince FOX News viewers that there is a link to terrorism between Iran, Hamas and the Cordoba Project.
The SAME Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal that is the second largest shareholder of News Corp, after owner, Rupert Murdoch. They suggest that Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has terrorist connections... someone who OWNS $2.5-billion-worth of News Corp.
Do FOX News commentators ever mention his name on their boradcasts? NO, they don't.
Why don't they ever mention his name? Because he is a co-owner of the company they work for!!! They don't want to lose their jobs and those celebrity based salaries.
So, you can draw a Glenn Beck-esque connect the dots scenario that leads to the conclusion that... FOX News has ties to terrorism... and the people who watch FOX News are participating in terrorist activities by increasing their revenues, thus, raising their ratings. That is only IF.. you actually believe FOX News and their stories suggesting that Iran and Hamas has ties to the Cordoba Project. Because if you believe that line of reasoning... you have to follow the same line of reasoning that links Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal with FOX News and your participation in aiding terrorism by funding it.
So, who's best interests are FOX News commentators serving?
Answer: Their best interests (their high salaries) and NOT your best interests.
Hail, Hail!!!
even if it includes a mosque........the attacks on 9.11 were not religious, or motivated by religion or done to see 72 virgins in the sky......it was a political act. why else would they choose the twin towers, a symbol of american imperialism? if the goal was to kill americans....why not fly those planes into a stadium at a sporting event? they chose the twin towers because 9.11 was an attack against american imperialism, more than it was jihad against american infidels.
which makes the entire argument about whether to build a mosque at ground zero moot, unless you are a racist.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Developers release renderings of controversial Park51 community center
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... s-released
The developer behind the controversial Park51 Islamic cultural center has released the first official renderings of what the 16-story building might look like. The Islamic center is envisioned as having a sleek, modern design covered in hexagrams that resemble a honeycomb.
However, as has been the case throughout the controversy surrounding the project, critics are finding other messages in the design plans. Conservative blogger Pam Geller, a leading foe of the project, has denounced the honeycomb design as a representation of "crashing Stars of David," and described the design plan as "diabolically audacious."
Other observers have interpreted the conceptual plans as a statement on the project's broader interfaith message. Ed Pilkington, a writer for the U.K. Guardian, contends the structure's Star of David echo is one among several design elements crafted consciously in "homage to other religions"; the overall effect of the drawings, he argues, is to render Park51 a "decidedly upbeat and glamorous building, more festive than threatening." Meanwhile, a Park51 spokesman pointed out through Twitter that the hexagrams come from an Arabic architecture technique called Mashrabiya.
The project's developer, meanwhile, is confident the building will win over its many detractors."I don't think that once this thing gets built, anyone will be picketing," Sharif El-Gamal told the Associated Press.
El-Gamal told the AP that four of the 16 floors will be a swimming pool and sports center, one floor will be a child care center, and two floors at the bottom will be a prayer space for Muslims. A 9/11 memorial will be on the 12th floor. A restaurant, auditorium, artist studios and culinary school will take up the rest of the space.
The drawings come from Soma Architects, one of several firms competing for the contract. No architect has been picked, and fundraising has not officially begun for the project.
Here's the image of the interior:
And here's another interior view of the project:
exterior
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
damn disgrace! HOW DARE THEY!
stupid cow.
insectism is what it is. rubbing it in our face. the honey.
and that shit is sticky, get it out of my face.
insectism. classic.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."