the mosque at ground zero is not a mosque

keeponrockin

prfctlefts wrote:

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.

Commy

keeponrockin wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.

apparently prfctlefts holds Muslims to different standards.

Commy

yosi wrote:

If we're looking for maximum precision, I believe that the plan for the proposed cultural center includes a mosque.

i believe it includes an area that 'all religions can use'.



shall we call it a synagogue then, or a church?

this whole thing is so f***ing stupid.

agreed.

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.

apparently prfctlefts holds Muslims to different standards.

apparently you don't know what the hell you are talking about.. :roll:
and if you are so hell bent on the cordoba project and the 1st amendment then how come you havent said anything about St. Nicks church being rebuilt ?

_

prfctlefts wrote:

apparently you don't know what the hell you are talking about.. :roll:
and if you are so hell bent on the cordoba project and the 1st amendment then how come you havent said anything about St. Nicks church being rebuilt ?

Uh, I'm pretty sure you have the name wrong. But I take your persistence in perpetuating that name as another example of how you are trying to spin the situation.

Cosmo

I caught this from the Daily Show...
A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
Ratings are based upon viewership.
...
Therefore...
*IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
Then,
Fox News gets higher ratings...
that attracts sponsors...
who pays Fox News...
which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/

haffajappa

Cosmo wrote:

I caught this from the Daily Show...
A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
Ratings are based upon viewership.
...
Therefore...
*IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
Fox News gets higher ratings...
that attracts sponsors...
who pays Fox News...
which increases the value of News Corporation...
that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
that contributes funding to the Cordoba Project...
who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan.
...
Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/

Oh my :shock:

polaris_x

WaveCameCrashin

yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.

Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
Then there's stories like these on the same web site...

Obama’s Deep CIA Connections Revealed

http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/18/obama ... -revealed/

aerial

Cosmo wrote:

I caught this from the Daily Show...
A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
Ratings are based upon viewership.
...
Therefore...
*IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
Then,
Fox News gets higher ratings...
that attracts sponsors...
who pays Fox News...
which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/

Fox can not discriminate against anyone who wants to buy shares..... yet this shows that Muslims are "buying" America. Those putting this news out there thinking it will help there cause has just opened the eyes of the naive American people.

OutOfBreath

No reason to be sore at the daily show quote. I think John Stewart is at his best when exposing the bullshit way of arguing just by modifying the subject slightly.

The point of the joke was to show how "guilt by association" is basically bullshit, and to show how easily it can be spun into something ludicrus using that mode of argumentation.

There's no credible way you can spin this imam into being a scary fundamentalist, sorry. His life, written works and cross-faith initiatives with jews and christians before this one testifies against him being a radical loonie. Some quotes that seem to land him squarely in democrat land isn't exactly anti-american or any such thing. Seriously, do anyone even question that American foreign policy had something to do with being attacked? Note I'm not talking about deserving, and neither does he in the quote mentioned.

Peace
Dan

WaveCameCrashin

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..

“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]

and

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
quote]

Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... KNLE/quote]

I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?

You don't see any thing wrong with these statments ?? Wow !!
So you actually agree with this guy ??

You need to go to listen to these links. After listening to him I don't think he's that moderate at all.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... words.html


http://www.investigativeproject.org/212 ... radicalism

Cosmo

prfctlefts wrote:

yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.

Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
Then there's stories like these on the same web site...

Obama’s Deep CIA Connections Revealed

http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/18/obama ... -revealed/

...
Talk shit? No... I'm just making a point. And what is that behind the computer comment supposed to mean? Are you saying that if I were to say this to you in person... you would get violent about it? That mere words would set off some sort of psychopathic rage that cannot be dealt with using your mind... so, you have to resort to physical violence? What?
...
Now... the Daily Show simply pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and his personal Charity, the Kingdom Foundation. They also pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and News Corporation. That's it. I got the basic idea from them.
I looked up Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal the referenced the article from that site for the information I used to put together that whole 'Connect The Dots/Follow The Money' thing. By using FOX News' Glenn Beck's methodology of connecting facts to come up with a conclusion that seems to make sense, i presumed it would validate my conclusion, in your mind. My reasoning was, if you think Glenn Beck's logical reasoning is valid... and I use the same model he does... then, you would validate my conclusion.
...
Finally... what does that article you posted have to do with the Community Center in Manhattan?
If you are using that website as an example of referencing valid points... and it's the same website I used... then, the information I obtained from there are valid and verify my conclusion that you are, indeed, supporting the building of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Thank you... your questions and comments are welcomed.

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I caught this from the Daily Show...
A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
Ratings are based upon viewership.
...
Therefore...
*IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
Then,
Fox News gets higher ratings...
that attracts sponsors...
who pays Fox News...
which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/

Fox can not discriminate against anyone who wants to buy shares..... yet this shows that Muslims are "buying" America. Those putting this news out there thinking it will help there cause has just opened the eyes of the naive American people.

...
Sorry... but, a little more explanation is needed here.

I know, anyone can buy stocks.
'Muslims' are buying America... because America is up for sale.
That last sentence... who is opening the eyes of naive Americans? FOX News? If they are... why aren't they exposing the connections of one of their co-owners to these 'Terror Groups'? Is it because they are more concerned about keeping their jobs, than alerting America?
OR...
Is FOX News part of the same plan to bring down America by people who hate America?

_

prfctlefts wrote:

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..

“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf

and

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... 0xRv7KNLE/

I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?

You don't see any thing wrong with these statments ?? Wow !!
So you actually agree with this guy ??

You need to go to listen to these links. After listening to him I don't think he's that moderate at all.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... words.html


http://www.investigativeproject.org/212 ... radicalism

I can't say I agree with the first quote, because I'm not familiar with the word Sharia. That's why I said I don't see anything wrong with it instead of saying I agree.

I do agree with the 2nd & 3rd quotes, as do many, many Americans. They are simple observations (which shouldn't land anyone in hot water anyway since they're not value statements) and they're accurate. Terrorism against the United States is a reaction to U.S. policies. Is that really so radical a statement?

I can't say I "agree with this guy" based on these three statements. But I don't have any reason to disagree with him.

I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?

Cosmo

OutOfBreath wrote:

...Seriously, do anyone even question that American foreign policy had something to do with being attacked? Note I'm not talking about deserving, and neither does he in the quote mentioned.

Peace
Dan

...
I believe that our decades of meddling in Middle Eastern internal political affairs and having our puppets run the show over there... for our benefit, not theirs... lead to the anger and hatred towards us. That whole, "They hate our Freedom' is complete bullshit that only the morons over here buy into. They don't hate us for who we are... they hate us for what we DO.
If we weren't over there for all those years... they wouldn't have come here that September morning.

OutOfBreath

As to what Sharia means:

Sharia (شريعة Šarīʿa; [ʃaˈriːʕa], "way" or "path") is the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences among themselves as to exactly what it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.

Peace
Dan

WaveCameCrashin

Cosmo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.

Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
Then there's stories like these on the same web site...

Obama’s Deep CIA Connections Revealed

http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/18/obama ... -revealed/

...
Talk shit? No... I'm just making a point. And what is that behind the computer comment supposed to mean? Are you saying that if I were to say this to you in person... you would get violent about it? That mere words would set off some sort of psychopathic rage that cannot be dealt with your mind... so, you have to resort to physical violence? What?
...
Now... the Daily Show simply pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and his personal Charity, the Kingdom Foundation. They also pointed out the connection between Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal and News Corporation. That's it. I got the basic idea from them.
I looked up Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal the referenced the article from that site for the information I used to put together that whole 'Connect The Dots/Follow The Money' thing. By using FOX News' Glenn Beck's methodology of connecting facts to come up with a conclusion that seems to make sense, i presumed it would validate my conclusion, in your mind. My reasoning was, if you think Glenn Beck's logical reasoning is valid... and I use the same model he does... then, you would validate my conclusion.
...
Finally... what does that article you posted have to do with the Community Center in Manhattan?
If you are using that website as an example of referencing valid points... and it's the same website I used... then, the information I obtained from there are valid and verify my conclusion that you are, indeed, supporting the building of the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
...
Thank you... your questions and comments are welcomed.

I see it as taliking shit. I mean why are you singling me out ? Im not the only poster on here that doesn't support it being built at their chosen location.( and no I wouldn't smack you)
So I guees what your saying is everyone who watches fox news supports the cordoba project ?
I don' t agree with everything fox news does. For example: one of their biggest advertisers is progressive ins.
Peter B. Lewis is the current Chairman (and former CEO)
Board Chairman of the Cleveland-based Progressive Insurance Corporation
Major donor to Democrat political candidates and leftist causes
Close friend of George Soros

so does that mean I support him to ?

Cosmo

scb wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf

"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."

I can't say I agree with the first quote, because I'm not familiar with the word Sharia. That's why I said I don't see anything wrong with it instead of saying I agree.

I do agree with the 2nd & 3rd quotes, as do many, many Americans. They are simple observations (which shouldn't land anyone in hot water anyway since they're not value statements) and they're accurate. Terrorism against the United States is a reaction to U.S. policies. Is that really so radical a statement?

I can't say I "agree with this guy" based on these three statements. But I don't have any reason to disagree with him.

I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?

...
"The term "Sharia" (a.k.a. Shari'a) literally means "the path to a watering hole." The Guardian newspaper in the UK describes Sharia as: "... a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians." It is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life.
Sharia is derived both from:
The teachings of the Qur'an. This is the Muslim holy book, which corresponds to the Jews' Torah and the Christians' Holy Bible. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is the Word of God, as dictated to the prophet Muhammad by the angel Gabriel.
From Sunna, which is referred to as Islamic "Custom or practice; particularly that associated with the exemplary life of the Prophet Muhammad, comprising his deeds and utterances as recorded in the hadith." The hadith literally means "report" or "narrative" .
ref. ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm )
...
"What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state."
Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement would be true if in America, we adhere to a religious code of living. We all have to answer that question ourselves... we we, or don't we... specifically, Do I or don't I?
...
"I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."
On the second statement... he is correct. Our foriegn policy in the Middle East is why they are pissed. They aren't angry at our Bill of Rights... anyone who believes that has to just step back and think about is for a minute... if they are capable of thought.
...
"Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
On the third statement... absolutely true. We (under the Reagan Administration) created Usama bin Laden in the 1980s by trainning him and the Mujahadeen to fight the Soviet Army's occupation of Afghanistan. This should make those who use the excuse, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to re-think that ridiculously flawed reasoning... if they are able to use an enema to plop their heads out of their asses.

WaveCameCrashin

scb wrote:

I don't have time to listen to the links today. But if they supposedly prove he's not a moderate, who cares? Must everyone be a moderate to have an opinion in this country?

Who cares ??? Are you freaking serious ?
I care and 100% of the 70 % of the Americans who are oppsed to thie cordoba projects location care.

I know i know were all just abunch of bigots and islamaphobes right ?? :roll: