the mosque at ground zero is not a mosque

Commy

nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.

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Thank you! How are we supposed to have reasonable conversations with people when they look reality straight in the eye and deny it? (We seem to have that problem a lot around here.) If people don't like it, that's one thing. But when they explain their position, they shouldn't be dishonest about what it is. It makes it really difficult to take them seriously. (Plus, it makes them look stupid and is offensive in that they seem to think we're stupid enough to believe it if they keep repeating it.)

haffajappa

not that i don't agree 100% with you but i gotta say
i am so sick of "mosque" threads.

and scb you're right... if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.

norm

the hate and ignorance in this country makes me very sad

ladies and gentlemen...pat boone

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193897

justam

haffajappa wrote:

if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.

Yeah, or even closer to the truth is that their FEAR of muslims makes them hate them but they can't admit that so therefore they try to find other justifications for their hatred.

A situation like this is used as a golden opportunity for them to get other people to join in their paranoia.

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norm wrote:

the hate and ignorance in this country makes me very sad

ladies and gentlemen...pat boone

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193897

For fuck's sake. Where's a shaking-your-head-in-disbelief emoticon when you need one?

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haffajappa wrote:

not that i don't agree 100% with you but i gotta say
i am so sick of "mosque" threads.

and scb you're right... if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.

I totally agree. But when I said people shouldn't be dishonest, I just meant they should call things what they are instead of re-naming them as a trick to induce fear and hatred.

fuck

I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.

Commy

_outlaw wrote:

I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.

at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.

fuck

Commy wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.

at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.

i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves

Commy

_outlaw wrote:

Commy wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.

at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.

i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves

i see what you are saying, absolutely. i was thinking that if they agree its "only" a cultural center and still oppose it, that it would highlight their idiocy even more.

unsung

Commy wrote:

nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.

So someone can go there and stand near the entrance and hand out Bibles to those that are going to go inside and it will be ok?

Eliot Rosewater

scb wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

and scb you're right...

I totally agree.

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Eliot Rosewater wrote:

scb wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

and scb you're right...

I totally agree.

:P

markin ball

Saw this on tv this morning. Interview with the wife of Imam Feisal and a rabbi from the Manhattan JCC.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/de ... st=&page=1

I don't really know anything about any of these two people but they seem pretty reasonable to me.

TriumphantAngel

_outlaw wrote:

Commy wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.

at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.

i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves

i agree even if it is a mosque it is not a big deal.

i don't think anyone here who supports a mosque being built anywhere is ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. it's very clear that this is the real problem.

merely just trying to show the haters that they don't even know what they are fighting against. they are fighting just because they can, because they're biggots.

they're also gutless. gutless and despicable because they won't come out and say it directly. they prefer to hide behind the victims of 9/11 and use them as an excuse to further their hateful agenda.

yosi

If we're looking for maximum precision, I believe that the plan for the proposed cultural center includes a mosque.

Not that this needs saying, I just need to vent, but this whole thing is so f***ing stupid. If this imam was actually some raving, jihadi lunatic I would understand. But from everything I've read, and from everything I've heard in conversation with people that know this guy personally, the imam building this thing is just about the most moderate, bridge-building Muslim leader around.

WaveCameCrashin

For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..

“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]

and

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
quote]

Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... KNLE/quote]

OutOfBreath

Well, doesn't he sound pretty much like an american liberal? He doesn't have to be a politically moderate (american style) in order to be a religious moderate (and indeed liberal).

Now, liberal may be a curseword for you, but it's certainly not a label you'd put on Al Qaeda and similar loonies. They tend to be ultra fundamentalist conservatives...

Peace
Dan

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prfctlefts wrote:

For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..

“What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]

and

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
quote]

Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... KNLE/quote]

I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

Commy wrote:

nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.

So someone can go there and stand near the entrance and hand out Bibles to those that are going to go inside and it will be ok?

...
Sure... I don't see why not.
But, the guy shouldn't get upset if they go straight into the trash like all that other stuff that people hand you on the street.