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the mosque at ground zero is not a mosque

CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
edited October 2010 in A Moving Train
nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Thank you! How are we supposed to have reasonable conversations with people when they look reality straight in the eye and deny it? (We seem to have that problem a lot around here.) If people don't like it, that's one thing. But when they explain their position, they shouldn't be dishonest about what it is. It makes it really difficult to take them seriously. (Plus, it makes them look stupid and is offensive in that they seem to think we're stupid enough to believe it if they keep repeating it.)
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    not that i don't agree 100% with you but i gotta say
    i am so sick of "mosque" threads.

    and scb you're right... if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    the hate and ignorance in this country makes me very sad

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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    haffajappa wrote:
    if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.

    Yeah, or even closer to the truth is that their FEAR of muslims makes them hate them but they can't admit that so therefore they try to find other justifications for their hatred.

    A situation like this is used as a golden opportunity for them to get other people to join in their paranoia.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    norm wrote:
    the hate and ignorance in this country makes me very sad

    ladies and gentlemen...pat boone

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=193897

    For fuck's sake. Where's a shaking-your-head-in-disbelief emoticon when you need one?
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    haffajappa wrote:
    not that i don't agree 100% with you but i gotta say
    i am so sick of "mosque" threads.

    and scb you're right... if people oppose this "mosque" they should jsut be honest and come out and say, "my hate for muslims makes me paranoid" because that's all it seems to be.

    I totally agree. But when I said people shouldn't be dishonest, I just meant they should call things what they are instead of re-naming them as a trick to induce fear and hatred.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    _outlaw wrote:
    I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.
    at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


    that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


    its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Commy wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.
    at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


    that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


    its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.
    i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    _outlaw wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.
    at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


    that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


    its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.
    i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves






    i see what you are saying, absolutely. i was thinking that if they agree its "only" a cultural center and still oppose it, that it would highlight their idiocy even more.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Commy wrote:
    nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.


    So someone can go there and stand near the entrance and hand out Bibles to those that are going to go inside and it will be ok?
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    scb wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:

    and scb you're right...

    I totally agree.
    :lol::lol:
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    scb wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:

    and scb you're right...

    I totally agree.
    :lol::lol:
    :lol::lol: :P
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    Saw this on tv this morning. Interview with the wife of Imam Feisal and a rabbi from the Manhattan JCC.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/de ... st=&page=1

    I don't really know anything about any of these two people but they seem pretty reasonable to me.
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  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    _outlaw wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    I'm not a fan of this argument because i personally don't give a shit whether it's a mosque or a community center, there is no difference in the eyes of islamophobes and it does not address the main issue.
    at the least be accurate when presenting an opinion.


    that is all i'm asking. you would think that goes without saying, but on this board apparently not.


    its not a mosque and it is relevant given the many failed analogies of building a church at mecca or a japanese war memorial at pearl harbor or whatever idiocy they come up with to defend hate.........if only for that alone its important to be accurate.
    i totally agree about having your facts straight. I just don't want the sentiment to be "oh ok, since it's not a mosque, i guess it's ok" because then we're just ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. my opinion is that we should treat this as an "even if it's a mosque, what the fuck is the big deal?" kinda thing, but then again some people say I like to stir shit up and make problems bigger. maybe it's true. or maybe those people need to go fuck themselves
    i agree even if it is a mosque it is not a big deal.

    i don't think anyone here who supports a mosque being built anywhere is ignoring the main issue of islamophobia. it's very clear that this is the real problem.

    merely just trying to show the haters that they don't even know what they are fighting against. they are fighting just because they can, because they're biggots.

    they're also gutless. gutless and despicable because they won't come out and say it directly. they prefer to hide behind the victims of 9/11 and use them as an excuse to further their hateful agenda.
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    If we're looking for maximum precision, I believe that the plan for the proposed cultural center includes a mosque.

    Not that this needs saying, I just need to vent, but this whole thing is so f***ing stupid. If this imam was actually some raving, jihadi lunatic I would understand. But from everything I've read, and from everything I've heard in conversation with people that know this guy personally, the imam building this thing is just about the most moderate, bridge-building Muslim leader around.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..
    “What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]

    and
    I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
    quote]

    Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... KNLE/quote]
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Well, doesn't he sound pretty much like an american liberal? He doesn't have to be a politically moderate (american style) in order to be a religious moderate (and indeed liberal).

    Now, liberal may be a curseword for you, but it's certainly not a label you'd put on Al Qaeda and similar loonies. They tend to be ultra fundamentalist conservatives...

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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    For what it's worth Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a Sufi muslim,and from what I have read they are suppose to be peacefull as Im sure most Muslims are. I just don't agree with some of his comments that he's made in the past. He doesn't seem to be moderate IMO as he says he is..
    “What’s right with America and what’s right with Islam are, in fact, very much in sync…I call America a Sharia compliant state.” – Feisal Abdul Rauf/quote]

    and
    I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
    quote]

    Because we have been an accessory to a lot of--of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it--in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... KNLE/quote]

    I don't see anything wrong with these statements. Many people who are not Muslim would say the same thing. When did it become suspect to make factual observations? How did trying to understand something get misinterpreted as supporting it?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    nor is it being built at ground zero. its a cultural center, that people of all faiths can enjoy. get your facts straight.


    So someone can go there and stand near the entrance and hand out Bibles to those that are going to go inside and it will be ok?
    ...
    Sure... I don't see why not.
    But, the guy shouldn't get upset if they go straight into the trash like all that other stuff that people hand you on the street.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
    FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    keeponrockin wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
    FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.
    apparently prfctlefts holds Muslims to different standards.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    yosi wrote:
    If we're looking for maximum precision, I believe that the plan for the proposed cultural center includes a mosque.



    i believe it includes an area that 'all religions can use'.



    shall we call it a synagogue then, or a church?
    this whole thing is so f***ing stupid.

    agreed.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Commy wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.
    FWIW, Glen Beck said the same thing.
    apparently prfctlefts holds Muslims to different standards.


    apparently you don't know what the hell you are talking about.. :roll:
    and if you are so hell bent on the cordoba project and the 1st amendment then how come you havent said anything about St. Nicks church being rebuilt ?
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    prfctlefts wrote:
    apparently you don't know what the hell you are talking about.. :roll:
    and if you are so hell bent on the cordoba project and the 1st amendment then how come you havent said anything about St. Nicks church being rebuilt ?

    Uh, I'm pretty sure you have the name wrong. But I take your persistence in perpetuating that name as another example of how you are trying to spin the situation.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I caught this from the Daily Show...
    A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
    The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
    Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
    News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
    Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
    Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
    Ratings are based upon viewership.
    ...
    Therefore...
    *IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
    Then,
    Fox News gets higher ratings...
    that attracts sponsors...
    who pays Fox News...
    which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
    that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
    who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
    that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
    who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
    that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
    ...
    Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
    ...
    reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Cosmo wrote:
    I caught this from the Daily Show...
    A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
    The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
    Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
    News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
    Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
    Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
    Ratings are based upon viewership.
    ...
    Therefore...
    *IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
    Fox News gets higher ratings...
    that attracts sponsors...
    who pays Fox News...
    which increases the value of News Corporation...
    that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
    who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
    that contributes funding to the Cordoba Project...
    who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan.
    ...
    Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
    ...
    reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/
    Oh my :shock:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :lol::lol:
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    yeah your real funny cosmo.. It's easy for you to talk shit when you can hide behind a computer.

    Keep in mind where you get your info from. The Daily show.. That says it all.. A host that doesn't even use his real last name..
    Then there's stories like these on the same web site...

    Obama’s Deep CIA Connections Revealed

    http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/18/obama ... -revealed/
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    Cosmo wrote:
    I caught this from the Daily Show...
    A major contributor to the Islamic Community Center is the Kingdom Foundation in Saudi Arabia.
    The Kindom Foundation is a personal charity of Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
    Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of News Corporation.
    News Corporation is the parent company of FOX News.
    Fox News generates revenue from sponsors of their broadcasts.
    Sponsors are attracted to stations because of their higher ratings.
    Ratings are based upon viewership.
    ...
    Therefore...
    *IF* PerfectLefts watches Fox News:
    Then,
    Fox News gets higher ratings...
    that attracts sponsors...
    who pays Fox News...
    which increases the value of News Corporation stock...
    that pays dividends to Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal...
    who heads the Kingdom Foundation...
    that uses the money to contribute funds to the Cordoba Project...
    who is planning to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan...
    that is mistitled as the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
    ...
    Conclusion... PerfectLefts is helping to fund the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
    ...
    reference: http://real-agenda.com/2010/08/23/saudi ... ro-mosque/

    Fox can not discriminate against anyone who wants to buy shares..... yet this shows that Muslims are "buying" America. Those putting this news out there thinking it will help there cause has just opened the eyes of the naive American people.
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