Police: Soldiers looted flotilla ship

yosi

Would you suggest that black people not get upset about racism cause slavery ended well over a century ago? Get it through your thick skull. This isn't about the Holocaust. This is about you recognizing that you made a racist comment and got called out for it.

An apology would be appropriate.

Commy

yosi wrote:

And I'm not talking about Israel. I'm talking about Commy recognizing that he crossed a line, and it is not fucking cool.

you're talking about violence and i'm the one who should apologize? don't think so.

yosi said...

And if you said this shit to my face you'd be gagging on your teeth right now

nevermind how it would turn out for you....you are missing a key fucking point. and its gradeschool, its fucking obvious to anyone not under holocaust hysteria...



telling blonde jokes does not mean i hate them.......can you understand that simple point?>

TriumphantAngel

yosi wrote:

And I'm not threatening you.

yes you are.

yosi wrote:

And if you said this shit to my face you'd be gagging on your teeth right now.

thing is yosi, you have deliberately tried to make something there that is not. you replied to Commy a few days ago, you were looking for a fight and he ignored you. and rightly so.

you come back tonight ranting and raving and your first post was all in CAP locks, looking for a fight, and you didn't get it. you don't want to listen to reason. it's Yosis way or the highway.

you always want to play the victim. you're not reasonable. the only one firing up here is you. i mean you just threatened to have me gagging on my teeth and i'm not firing up. it's impossible to reason with you. you twist words, threaten violence and then say you don't.

yosi

You didn't tell a blond joke. You told a Jews-are-cheap-and-they-steal-and-cheat joke (also known as an antisemitic joke). And it doesn't make any difference whether you hate Jews or not. What you said was racist.

yosi

I'm angry because I'm Jewish and proud of it, and somebody said something that is overtly antisemitic. And yes, I'm looking for a fight, because racism should never be allowed to go unchallenged. If I said something racist about Palestinians would you let it slide? Even if I said I was only joking?

Smellyman

Catholics like little boys.

TriumphantAngel

yosi wrote:

I'm angry because I'm Jewish and proud of it, and somebody said something that is overtly antisemitic. And yes, I'm looking for a fight, because racism should never be allowed to go unchallenged. If I said something racist about Palestinians would you let it slide? Even if I said I was only joking?

no body said anything racist about Jews.

that's your perception Yosi. and i'm sorry to break it to you, but you're not always right.

Commy

Smellyman wrote:

Catholics like little boys.

i am going to punch you in the face.

yosi

Commy wrote:

wait. let me get this straight. Jews sold something they got for free?


this is news indeed.

The above quoted statement is antisemitic. It plays off classic antisemitic tropes about Jews being cheap, cheaters, money-grubbing, thieves, etc. Just because it was meant as a joke doesn't make it any less racist.

Commy

yosi wrote:

Commy wrote:

wait. let me get this straight. Jews sold something they got for free?


this is news indeed.

The above quoted statement is antisemitic. It plays off classic antisemitic tropes about Jews being cheap, cheaters, money-grubbing, thieves, etc. Just because it was meant as a joke doesn't make it any less racist.

This blonde cop stops a blonde driver and asks for identification.

The blonde driver looks all around in her purse and can’t find her license. “I must have left it at home, officer.”

“Well, do you have any kind of identification on you?” asks the cop.

The blonde takes out a pocket mirror and says, “I do have this picture of me.”

“Let me see it,” says the cop. She holds up the mirror and looks in it. Then she says, “Sorry. If I had known you were a police officer, I wouldn’t have stopped you.”

FiveB247x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

yosi

I'm done with this. Triumphant, you're a hypocrite. Commy, I'm sure you weren't lying about having Jewish friends. Tell them what you said, word for word, and see what they say. In my book your comments were antisemitic.

TriumphantAngel

yosi wrote:

I'm done with this. Triumphant, you're a hypocrite. Commy, I'm sure you weren't lying about having Jewish friends. Tell them what you said, word for word, and see what they say. In my book your comments were antisemitic.

how am i a hypocrite?

i like how you have attacked all night and yet i have not attacked you once. i've tried to stay reasonable and i think with what you have thrown at me i've done a reasonable job.

according to you i'm racist a hypocrite AND your going to smash my teeth.

FiveB247x

This is your final solution to the thread huh? When will we ever learn? :twisted:

yosi wrote:

I'm done with this. Triumphant, you're a hypocrite. Commy, I'm sure you weren't lying about having Jewish friends. Tell them what you said, word for word, and see what they say. In my book your comments were antisemitic.

yosi

Triumphant, it just seems to me that you are very quick to point out prejudice, but only when it suits you. I've encountered a lot of antisemitism in my life (thank god most of it not directed at me personally). I know it when I see it. But please, since you are so convinced that this is not antisemitic. please explain to me how that is so.

TriumphantAngel

yosi wrote:

Triumphant, it just seems to me that you are very quick to point out prejudice, but only when it suits you. I've encountered a lot of antisemitism in my life (thank god most of it not directed at me personally). I know it when I see it. But please, since you are so convinced that this is not antisemitic. please explain to me how that is so.

yosi, i already have explained. many times in this thread. if you need anymore clarification, please read back.

again,

blonde jokes doesn't mean people hate me because i'm blonde or that they think i'm dumb.
irish jokes, doesn't mean people hate Irishman or they think Irish are stupid.
catholic jokes doesn't mean people hate catholics or they think all priests molest children.
jewish jokes doesn't mean people hate jews or that all jews are tight with money.

it's that simple Yosi. nothing more, nothing less. please don't turn it into something it's not,

gimmesometruth27

yosi wrote:

There are 132 views for this thread. Can someone please help me. Seriously. I know there are other people reading this. This isn't right. Can someone please help me explain why you can't just go around spouting racism and then hide behind "I was only making a joke."

i have read this entire thread, and you have made no comment either condemning or backing the soldiers stealing these items, which was the original point of the thread. you have done a nice job talking about everything but that. to my eyes, you are saying that all jews are victims, including the soldiers in this case, and that is simply not right in this case. i am sure many people have read this thread and see things like i do so they are not willing to go out of their way to back your position. in my opinion the actions of these soldiers is indefensable. i know i am not interested in backing someone claiming victimhood, and there is absolutely no possible way that i can think of to defend these soldiers or their actions. to kill 9 people AND THEN steal and use their credit cards and other items confiscated illegally is simply adding insult to injury. israeli or not, american or not, black or not, their actions were clearly wrong and there is nothing you can say that is going to persuade anyone to defend their actions. if people were interested in jumping in to help you i am sure they would have by now.

yosi

Forgive me, but it is not that simple. If a Jew makes antisemitic jokes, fine, I have no problem with that. If a comedian makes antisemitic jokes I have no problem with that so long as their general schtick is to be insulting to everyone (Lisa Lampanelli, for example) so that it is understood that the joke is only a joke. This is not either of those situations. Here a guy that I don't know made an antisemitic joke in a public forum. That isn't cool. I would imagine that if I started talking about "camel jockeys," and making jokes about how much they like fucking their goats, that Arab readers on this site might get offended, and it wouldn't much matter to them if I said I was just joking. And they would be right to be offended, because they don't know me, and I would have said something really offensive about them in public. That is how I view the situation.

(I in know way mean to insult Arabs. I'm just trying to illustrate a point.)

yosi

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yosi wrote:

There are 132 views for this thread. Can someone please help me. Seriously. I know there are other people reading this. This isn't right. Can someone please help me explain why you can't just go around spouting racism and then hide behind "I was only making a joke."

i have read this entire thread, and you have made no comment either condemning or backing the soldiers stealing these items, which was the original point of the thread. you have done a nice job talking about everything but that. to my eyes, you are saying that all jews are victims, including the soldiers in this case, and that is simply not right in this case. i am sure many people have read this thread and see things like i do so they are not willing to go out of their way to back your position. in my opinion the actions of these soldiers is indefensable. i know i am not interested in backing someone claiming victimhood, and there is absolutely no possible way that i can think of to defend these soldiers or their actions. to kill 9 people AND THEN steal and use their credit cards and other items confiscated illegally is simply adding insult to injury. israeli or not, american or not, black or not, their actions were clearly wrong and there is nothing you can say that is going to persuade anyone to defend their actions. if people were interested in jumping in to help you i am sure they would have by now.

I'm not talking about the soldiers. I do not intend to cast them as victims. If they stole people's credit cards they should be arrested for theft.

I'm talking about the fact that nobody here aside from me seems to be at all bothered by off-hand racism. I'm not even saying that Commy is a racist (never met him, couldn't say, but very willing to take his word that he isn't), but what he wrote is racist, and I would just like for that to be acknowledged.

Commy

yosi wrote:

Forgive me, but it is not that simple. If a Jew makes antisemitic jokes, fine, I have no problem with that. If a comedian makes antisemitic jokes I have no problem with that so long as their general schtick is to be insulting to everyone (Lisa Lampanelli, for example) so that it is understood that the joke is only a joke. This is not either of those situations. Here a guy that I don't know made an antisemitic joke in a public forum. That isn't cool. I would imagine that if I started talking about "camel jockeys," and making jokes about how much they like fucking their goats, that Arab readers on this site might get offended, and it wouldn't much matter to them if I said I was just joking. And they would be right to be offended, because they don't know me, and I would have said something really offensive about them in public. That is how I view the situation.

(I in know way mean to insult Arabs. I'm just trying to illustrate a point.)

so if i get paid to make jokes its ok? not sure i follow your logic.


or do i have to make fun of everyone for it to be ok? like T/A said, the irish drink, catholics rape and blondes are stupid....because we've been over that. i made a blonde joke too. or what is the criteria....do i have to say x number of jokes about x people in order to make a joke about...something specific, jew/asian/illegal/cracker/mexican/whatever...