NCAA College Football -

pjsteelerfan

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

F Me In The Brain

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

Agree on the blame idea...until there is a reason there is no way they are stopping this practice.

Also agree on the games -- Georgia is a good example.  I think Texas was stoked to have that stage, and UGA felt like they were deserving to be in the Playoff and didn't prepare well.

Do not agree on cutting the lower bowls -- I think perhaps they could look at limiting the number of bowl teams each conference can send.

Example -- 2 per conference.  This would make it meaningful and still allow fans of small schools to have realistic bowl goals.

Not everyone went to OSU, FSU, Miami, LSU, Bama, or USC. 

I think a bowl with the CUSA Champ (UAB) and the MAC Champ (NIU) is great.

Do I think the Boca Raton bowl sounds great?  No, but it featured 2 conference champs and I hope their students and fans enjoyed the hell out of it.

If we eliminate the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place schools from other conferences getting bowls perhaps there is more prestige (worldwide!) for wherever these 2 conference champs end up playing.

Just some thoughts...

KC138045

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

16 seed UMBC beat #1 seed Virginia last year in the tournament 

pjsteelerfan

KC138045 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

16 seed UMBC beat #1 seed Virginia last year in the tournament 

I know, that was my sarcasm at everyone who thinks the #1 seed in a college football playoff  would never lose in a playoff.

pjsteelerfan

F Me In The Brain said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

Agree on the blame idea...until there is a reason there is no way they are stopping this practice.

Also agree on the games -- Georgia is a good example.  I think Texas was stoked to have that stage, and UGA felt like they were deserving to be in the Playoff and didn't prepare well.

Do not agree on cutting the lower bowls -- I think perhaps they could look at limiting the number of bowl teams each conference can send.

Example -- 2 per conference.  This would make it meaningful and still allow fans of small schools to have realistic bowl goals.

Not everyone went to OSU, FSU, Miami, LSU, Bama, or USC. 

I think a bowl with the CUSA Champ (UAB) and the MAC Champ (NIU) is great.

Do I think the Boca Raton bowl sounds great?  No, but it featured 2 conference champs and I hope their students and fans enjoyed the hell out of it.

If we eliminate the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place schools from other conferences getting bowls perhaps there is more prestige (worldwide!) for wherever these 2 conference champs end up playing.

Just some thoughts...

That was a the point I was getting at. All for a MAC or Conference USA champ playing in a bowl.  But a 7-6 Purdue or a 6-7 Texas A&M team should not be a bowl game.  Unless it was the Catalina Wine Mixer bowl. 

HesCalledDyer

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

Virginia lost to a 16 seed in last year's NCAA tournament, but it is extremely rare (only time it's ever happened, and I think a 15 has beaten a 2 only 2 or 3 times).  But 8 teams is fair, I think.  You're spot on about the bowls though.  There are too many and they are meaningless.  Especially when you consider half the starters don't even play because they don't want to get hurt. There are so many bowls now that we have 6-6 teams going to bowls.  You can finish the year 6-7, a LOSING record, having gone to a bowl game.  Bowls are supposed to be a reward for success, not a token of mediocrity.  Hell I think last year or the year before we had a couple 5 win teams in bowls because there wern't enough 6 win teams to fill all the spots. And look at some of the lopsided matchups it creates, you have 10 win teams playing 7 win teams, 9 win teams playing 6, etc. At the very least you should have a winning record to get into a bowl game.  The whole 6 win prerequisite was when teams played an 11 game schedule with no conference championships. Rarely did a 6 win team make a bowl game then.  Mainly because there weren't half as many bowls as there are 1-A teams.  When you have 12/13 team conferences that send 9/10 teams to bowl games, something isn't right.

F Me In The Brain

pjsteelerfan said:

F Me In The Brain said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

Agree on the blame idea...until there is a reason there is no way they are stopping this practice.

Also agree on the games -- Georgia is a good example.  I think Texas was stoked to have that stage, and UGA felt like they were deserving to be in the Playoff and didn't prepare well.

Do not agree on cutting the lower bowls -- I think perhaps they could look at limiting the number of bowl teams each conference can send.

Example -- 2 per conference.  This would make it meaningful and still allow fans of small schools to have realistic bowl goals.

Not everyone went to OSU, FSU, Miami, LSU, Bama, or USC. 

I think a bowl with the CUSA Champ (UAB) and the MAC Champ (NIU) is great.

Do I think the Boca Raton bowl sounds great?  No, but it featured 2 conference champs and I hope their students and fans enjoyed the hell out of it.

If we eliminate the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place schools from other conferences getting bowls perhaps there is more prestige (worldwide!) for wherever these 2 conference champs end up playing.

Just some thoughts...

That was a the point I was getting at. All for a MAC or Conference USA champ playing in a bowl.  But a 7-6 Purdue or a 6-7 Texas A&M team should not be a bowl game.  Unless it was the Catalina Wine Mixer bowl. 

We agree....and The Catalina Wine Mixer bowl needs to happen.

KC138045

pjsteelerfan said:

KC138045 said:

pjsteelerfan said:

Don't blame teams for scheduling cupcakes, happens in all sports. I look at it this way,  a #16 seed will NEVER upset a #1 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament, so no need to have them play that game.  So it probably won't happen in football either. 

Also, getting fired up to play what is in reality a meaningless exhibition game is not the same as preparation to play in a playoff game that means advancing to another round. Its hard to judge bowl game performances that don't mean anything. 

Might help if they cut all these 2nd and 3rd tier bowls. Should be if you don't win at least 8 or 9 games, you don't qualify.  

16 seed UMBC beat #1 seed Virginia last year in the tournament 

I know, that was my sarcasm at everyone who thinks the #1 seed in a college football playoff  would never lose in a playoff.

Oh got ya. I thought maybe you were being sarcastic but wasn’t sure 

HesCalledDyer

There are twice as many bowl games today as there were 20 years ago.  We've had as many as 41 bowl games recently (2016).  In 1995 there were 18 bowls, 20 in 1999, 25 in 2000, 41 in 2016, 38 this year.  There are too many god damn bowl games and about half of them need cut.

HesCalledDyer

If I wanna see two 6-6 teams duke it out, I'll go to a Pitt/Wake Forest game in October, not the Quartet Office Bulletin Board Bowl.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

There are twice as many bowl games today as there were 20 years ago.  We've had as many as 41 bowl games recently (2016).  In 1995 there were 18 bowls, 20 in 1999, 25 in 2000, 41 in 2016, 38 this year.  There are too many god damn bowl games and about half of them need cut.

Agreed.

Watered down and devalued. It's not hard to qualify for a bowl game.

Trimming back the number of bowl games will never happen for the right reasons though.

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

There are twice as many bowl games today as there were 20 years ago.  We've had as many as 41 bowl games recently (2016).  In 1995 there were 18 bowls, 20 in 1999, 25 in 2000, 41 in 2016, 38 this year.  There are too many god damn bowl games and about half of them need cut.

When the Canes were killing it there was either the Orange, Sugar, or Cotton bowls and the Rose Bowl was about a parade not so much the game as the teams weren't competing for a National Championship but those were the 3 I always remember anything else like the Aloha Bowl was put on just to pass the time.

We also used to joke that teams made it to "The Toilet Bowl" if they were ranked really low.

F Me In The Brain

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

#6 played #9...

Like I said...

HesCalledDyer

Even in the days of 18-20 bowl games, the lesser bowls had some marquee matchups.  The Independence and Sun Bowls used to be pretty big games featuring top 25 teams.  Now they each match up two 7-5ish teams annually.

Camping World Stadium in Orlando held 3, that's 1-2-T-H-R-E-E, different bowl games this year alone.

F Me In The Brain

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

#6 played #9...

Like I said...

I know you qualified it as being of a certain time period so you are not incorrect, of course.

If you look at the history I think the Big 10 and Pac 12 have won their share of national championships, placed NFL players, etc.

Plus -- I just love the game, and loved it even before I went to USC and became biased. 

tempo_n_groove

F Me In The Brain said:

tempo_n_groove said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

#6 played #9...

Like I said...

I know you qualified it as being of a certain time period so you are not incorrect, of course.

If you look at the history I think the Big 10 and Pac 12 have won their share of national championships, placed NFL players, etc.

Plus -- I just love the game, and loved it even before I went to USC and became biased. 

How come you like the Rose Bowl so much?  When USC was good for a few years they were in there and the game really meant something.

Any other time it was just a game to watch but there were some good matchups I remember.

lolobugg

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

me too, friend. one of the best ever!

tempo_n_groove

lolobugg said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

me too, friend. one of the best ever!

Really?

I now it's quite the party and people sleep on the sidewalks to maintain their spots for the parade.

lolobugg

tempo_n_groove said:

lolobugg said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Rose Bowl is the top bowl - the Granddaddy of them all!

I miss Keith Jackson

me too, friend. one of the best ever!

Really?

I now it's quite the party and people sleep on the sidewalks to maintain their spots for the parade.

nope. I was talking about Keith Jackson.  LOL, Chris.

although I would love to see a game at the Rose Bowl.