although not exactly sure ... but canada is like one of the top places in the world to live ... our social infrastructure is much better equiped for refugees and immigrants ... i would say if we weren't a northern climate - many more would try to come here ...
They like all the goodies that us taxpayers pay for, but they get just by showing up in a boat and claiming to be a refugee. Until their claims are heard who supports them? who feeds them? who provides medical? I'll tell you who the taxpayer!!! From what I understand they are still dealing with refugees from as much as 2 years back. Then if approved what do they do? Who supports them?
My guess the taxpayer. Sorry they can leave anytime, the only immigrants I want are ones who can contribute to our society in a positive way, as far as I'm concerned all new comers to this country should have to pay for medical for at least 5 years before they go on the same system we do, they should have to attend mandatory education class's explaining our way of life paid for by them, they should be able to read, write and speak English or French. I know these views won't be popular with many on this board, but I don't really care. I worked with a fellow who had a stroke and after 30 years of working gets very little fucking help from the government, but yet they got millions to send to Pakistan and millions more to waste dealing with these refugees. Start by helping our own first.
While i understand some of the things you are saying i can't agree to all of them. To begin, you right away are stating that these people "will not contribute to our society in a positive way" which is impossible to know. secondly, what is exactly the Canadian way that you want to teach? many people here would say that helping those who have less is the Canadian way. that why you have the health care system also. Every year we are ranked one of the top countries to live in, why? because of what we believe. we believe in universal health care, we believe in multiculturalism, we believe in taking care of others. WE BELIEVE IN HOCKEY as the greatest sport . sometimes we get ripped off because of it but that is who we are.
I under the frustration about how our government spends money, but i do think that there are situation in which yes one country may have problems but when you compare them to another country I.e. the major flood in Pakistan, we understand that the need is more there.
To keep this brief, as for Canadian Ways, examples gay people get married in Canada some even adopt kids, women are an an equal member of our society, barbaric sharia law is not tolerated here as just a few examples, it does hurt hurt to educate newcomers to this country about what except-able and not except able and those are just some examples. As for the ability to read, write and speak English or french are a must.
As for Pakistan, they could get 25 million just for turning over bin laden, jk. They won't get any direct contribution from me though.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
ok ... so, whether or not we should have entered into gun registry is moot ... the fact is we spent the money already and now the fucking thing is working and is highly cost-effective ... but here we have the conservatives governing strictly to their base again ...
the police services all are in favour of this registry ... and yet again - in another undemocratic move, harper is ousting the head of the police services because he won't tow his line ...
So, you're right, they have passed through a number of countries that technically could have sheltered them, however not all countries abide by international law. For example, a boat load of Burmese refugees was heading to Thailand when the Thai border patrol illegally turned them away. This led to the deaths of thousands of Burmese refugees who had few supplies or provisions to take them beyond Thailand. There are many other examples and perhaps, the refugee process may not be quite as fair as the Canadian process.
As to only accepting refugees who "contribute in a positive way", studies have shown that refugees are often the most loyal and productive immigrants. To insinuate that they are all parasitic drains on the system is a needless attack. God forbid you are ever in a situation where you are no longer safe at home.
The "take care of your own first" arguments get old. Seriously. If we truly believe all human life is equal than borders should really mean very little when life is at stake. Yes, there is poverty and suffering at home, but there is a moral and ethical responsibility to help others as well.
I'll stand by the take care of our own argument, forever. Borders have been with us since seemingly the beginning of time. As for Canada we have done far to much in the way of international help over the years. It's time we seriously fix our own problems and contribute internationally when we have fixed so many of our own problems.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
To keep this brief, as for Canadian Ways, examples gay people get married in Canada some even adopt kids, women are an an equal member of our society, barbaric sharia law is not tolerated here as just a few examples, it does hurt hurt to educate newcomers to this country about what except-able and not except able and those are just some examples. As for the ability to read, write and speak English or french are a must.
most canadians are not bilingual - so, that is an unfair requirement
and although i don't generally like pointing these things out ... asking someone to be able to read, write and speak english - you would think you would know the difference between exceptable and acceptable ...
ok ... so, whether or not we should have entered into gun registry is moot ... the fact is we spent the money already and now the fucking thing is working and is highly cost-effective ... but here we have the conservatives governing strictly to their base again ...
the police services all are in favour of this registry ... and yet again - in another undemocratic move, harper is ousting the head of the police services because he won't tow his line ...
the problem with the gun registry is the way it was sold. the liberals said it would prevent crime an dtrue be told, it is impossible to prove this.
however, i hate how the conservatives are saying that this cost 1 billion dollars which is not correct. 1 billion is what we spent on a 2 day conference in Downtown Toronto. but from what i heard that was money well used. i hear the journalist love out fake ass pool.
the problem with the gun registry is the way it was sold. the liberals said it would prevent crime an dtrue be told, it is impossible to prove this.
however, i hate how the conservatives are saying that this cost 1 billion dollars which is not correct. 1 billion is what we spent on a 2 day conference in Downtown Toronto. but from what i heard that was money well used. i hear the journalist love out fake ass pool.
crime rates are down for the most part across the country ... the police services have found the registry very useful and consider it integral ... i don't think this is merely speculation that it is working ...
the problem with the gun registry is the way it was sold. the liberals said it would prevent crime an dtrue be told, it is impossible to prove this.
however, i hate how the conservatives are saying that this cost 1 billion dollars which is not correct. 1 billion is what we spent on a 2 day conference in Downtown Toronto. but from what i heard that was money well used. i hear the journalist love out fake ass pool.
crime rates are down for the most part across the country ... the police services have found the registry very useful and consider it integral ... i don't think this is merely speculation that it is working ...
you can spin the crime rate going down as well a lot of crime goes unreported as we have seen from this government, stats mean nothing. who cares if police like it, the conservatives are saying the same thing they said about the long form census.
you can spin the crime rate going down as well a lot of crime goes unreported as we have seen from this government, stats mean nothing. who cares if police like it, the conservatives are saying the same thing they said about the long form census.
the sad part is that none of these things will change conservative voters opinion ...
you can spin the crime rate going down as well a lot of crime goes unreported as we have seen from this government, stats mean nothing. who cares if police like it, the conservatives are saying the same thing they said about the long form census.
the sad part is that none of these things will change conservative voters opinion ...
yep, but lets just hope that it makes liberal voters (don't mean the party) realize what is going on and hopefully we can beat these people. i still believe that the conservatives will not be winning the next elections.
So, you're right, they have passed through a number of countries that technically could have sheltered them, however not all countries abide by international law. For example, a boat load of Burmese refugees was heading to Thailand when the Thai border patrol illegally turned them away. This led to the deaths of thousands of Burmese refugees who had few supplies or provisions to take them beyond Thailand. There are many other examples and perhaps, the refugee process may not be quite as fair as the Canadian process.
As to only accepting refugees who "contribute in a positive way", studies have shown that refugees are often the most loyal and productive immigrants. To insinuate that they are all parasitic drains on the system is a needless attack. God forbid you are ever in a situation where you are no longer safe at home.
The "take care of your own first" arguments get old. Seriously. If we truly believe all human life is equal than borders should really mean very little when life is at stake. Yes, there is poverty and suffering at home, but there is a moral and ethical responsibility to help others as well.
I'll stand by the take care of our own argument, forever. Borders have been with us since seemingly the beginning of time. As for Canada we have done far to much in the way of international help over the years. It's time we seriously fix our own problems and contribute internationally when we have fixed so many of our own problems.
Actually, borders are really a relatively new invention (1648) but more to the point, WHEN will we ever get to a point when we're ready to contribute internationally? We've already got some of the best social services, one of the most vibrant economies with safe streets and low poverty rates. Yes, we do have our problems, but do you ever foresee a point when there are ZERO problems and then we'll be able to think outside our borders?
Canada really hasn't done a ton of overseas help. The idea that Canadians are still leaders in peacekeeping has been largely myth for decades. We contribute a pittance towards international development compared with our pledged commitment.
I really think that if we sincerely believe in human equality, than it should not matter whether people suffer here or there but that we (not only Canadians) have the responsibility to help others in need. Lt. General Romeo Dallaire said it best, "All humans are human, but some are more human than others."
you can spin the crime rate going down as well a lot of crime goes unreported as we have seen from this government, stats mean nothing. who cares if police like it, the conservatives are saying the same thing they said about the long form census.
the sad part is that none of these things will change conservative voters opinion ...
yep, but lets just hope that it makes liberal voters (don't mean the party) realize what is going on and hopefully we can beat these people. i still believe that the conservatives will not be winning the next elections.
They'll keep winning so long as the rest of us are split 3 ways.
To keep this brief, as for Canadian Ways, examples gay people get married in Canada some even adopt kids, women are an an equal member of our society, barbaric sharia law is not tolerated here as just a few examples, it does hurt hurt to educate newcomers to this country about what except-able and not except able and those are just some examples. As for the ability to read, write and speak English or french are a must.
most canadians are not bilingual - so, that is an unfair requirement
and although i don't generally like pointing these things out ... asking someone to be able to read, write and speak english - you would think you would know the difference between exceptable and acceptable ...
Before you go around correcting folks, maybe you should brush up on your reading and ability to comprehend whats written, I never said bilingual I said either or, big difference, and that's not to much to ask.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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To keep this brief, as for Canadian Ways, examples gay people get married in Canada some even adopt kids, women are an an equal member of our society, barbaric sharia law is not tolerated here as just a few examples, it does hurt hurt to educate newcomers to this country about what except-able and not except able and those are just some examples. As for the ability to read, write and speak English or french are a must.
As for Pakistan, they could get 25 million just for turning over bin laden, jk. They won't get any direct contribution from me though.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
the police services all are in favour of this registry ... and yet again - in another undemocratic move, harper is ousting the head of the police services because he won't tow his line ...
I'll stand by the take care of our own argument, forever. Borders have been with us since seemingly the beginning of time. As for Canada we have done far to much in the way of international help over the years. It's time we seriously fix our own problems and contribute internationally when we have fixed so many of our own problems.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
most canadians are not bilingual - so, that is an unfair requirement
and although i don't generally like pointing these things out ... asking someone to be able to read, write and speak english - you would think you would know the difference between exceptable and acceptable ...
the problem with the gun registry is the way it was sold. the liberals said it would prevent crime an dtrue be told, it is impossible to prove this.
however, i hate how the conservatives are saying that this cost 1 billion dollars which is not correct. 1 billion is what we spent on a 2 day conference in Downtown Toronto. but from what i heard that was money well used. i hear the journalist love out fake ass pool.
crime rates are down for the most part across the country ... the police services have found the registry very useful and consider it integral ... i don't think this is merely speculation that it is working ...
you can spin the crime rate going down as well a lot of crime goes unreported
the sad part is that none of these things will change conservative voters opinion ...
yep, but lets just hope that it makes liberal voters (don't mean the party) realize what is going on and hopefully we can beat these people. i still believe that the conservatives will not be winning the next elections.
Actually, borders are really a relatively new invention (1648) but more to the point, WHEN will we ever get to a point when we're ready to contribute internationally? We've already got some of the best social services, one of the most vibrant economies with safe streets and low poverty rates. Yes, we do have our problems, but do you ever foresee a point when there are ZERO problems and then we'll be able to think outside our borders?
Canada really hasn't done a ton of overseas help. The idea that Canadians are still leaders in peacekeeping has been largely myth for decades. We contribute a pittance towards international development compared with our pledged commitment.
I really think that if we sincerely believe in human equality, than it should not matter whether people suffer here or there but that we (not only Canadians) have the responsibility to help others in need. Lt. General Romeo Dallaire said it best, "All humans are human, but some are more human than others."
Before you go around correcting folks, maybe you should brush up on your reading and ability to comprehend whats written, I never said bilingual I said either or, big difference, and that's not to much to ask.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon