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More Canadian politics - Tamil trapped in boat of coast

fifefife Posts: 3,327
edited August 2010 in A Moving Train
I don't know how much people know about this but i thought that this is not be reported that much in the world news but i could be wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... toews.html
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this is an interesting story ... as it would set a huge precedence to afford them refugee status ... i myself am torn because i do feel this is human traffiking and that the criminal profiteering should not be encouraged ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    this is an interesting story ... as it would set a huge precedence to afford them refugee status ... i myself am torn because i do feel this is human traffiking and that the criminal profiteering should not be encouraged ...

    I agree but you know that the public will look at it as illegals robbing us. With dumb ass Harper as PM, he might raise this as an issues of national security and how the liberals are soft on crime.

    From what i have heard there was more than 50 women and 50 children on board. that will make things much more sticky.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    I agree but you know that the public will look at it as illegals robbing us. With dumb ass Harper as PM, he might raise this as an issues of national security and how the liberals are soft on crime.

    From what i have heard there was more than 50 women and 50 children on board. that will make things much more sticky.

    i really don't think they have a choice but to send them back ... and i'm guessing the liberals aren't gonna touch this one ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I agree but you know that the public will look at it as illegals robbing us. With dumb ass Harper as PM, he might raise this as an issues of national security and how the liberals are soft on crime.

    From what i have heard there was more than 50 women and 50 children on board. that will make things much more sticky.

    i really don't think they have a choice but to send them back ... and i'm guessing the liberals aren't gonna touch this one ...

    its not that easy to send them back. they can all apply for compassion grounds for entry and that can mean that they are here for years.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    its not that easy to send them back. they can all apply for compassion grounds for entry and that can mean that they are here for years.

    yeah ... but they have to be able to step foot on canadian soil first i think ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    its not that easy to send them back. they can all apply for compassion grounds for entry and that can mean that they are here for years.

    yeah ... but they have to be able to step foot on canadian soil first i think ...

    they are already have a trial today in Vancouver.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... :b36567454

    This is going to get very messy.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    its not that easy to send them back. they can all apply for compassion grounds for entry and that can mean that they are here for years.

    yeah ... but they have to be able to step foot on canadian soil first i think ...

    they are already have a trial today in Vancouver.

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... :b36567454

    This is going to get very messy.

    thanks ... will see what happens i guess ...
  • sourdough09sourdough09 Posts: 37
    By international law we cannot just "send them back" without first processing them and investigating the legitimacy of their refugee claims. They do not have to set foot on Canadian soil but merely enter Canadian waters.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    sourdough09 wrote:
    By international law we cannot just "send them back" without first processing them and investigating the legitimacy of their refugee claims. They do not have to set foot on Canadian soil but merely enter Canadian waters.

    thx for the info ... i just assumed they were treated like some airline passengers when they try to enter canada and their visa is denied ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Great day for American politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... ogran.html

    Oh shit this is our pro-police and security conservative Canadian government. I guess we spent all our money on that fake pool.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... :b36594632

    now comes the law changes.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    Great day for American politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... ogran.html

    Oh shit this is our pro-police and security conservative Canadian government. I guess we spent all our money on that fake pool.

    every arms-length body that used to run independent of gov't is now being micro-managed by harper ... he can't push too much of his agenda thru the house so he uses these agencies to push forth his right-wing agenda ...

    it's really a sad state of affairs ... but sadly, those that vote for him will probably always vote for him ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    Great day for American politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... ogran.html

    Oh shit this is our pro-police and security conservative Canadian government. I guess we spent all our money on that fake pool.

    every arms-length body that used to run independent of gov't is now being micro-managed by harper ... he can't push too much of his agenda thru the house so he uses these agencies to push forth his right-wing agenda ...

    it's really a sad state of affairs ... but sadly, those that vote for him will probably always vote for him ...

    hopefully, this wakes people on the left the fuck up.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    hopefully, this wakes people on the left the fuck up.

    nobody on the left has ever voted for harper ... the issue are the centrists ... harper's got a solid 30% base ... the question is which way the centrists will blow ...

    what we really need here is an overhaul of our electoral system that includes some kind of proportional representation ...
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    HOLY SHIT!!!!nothing to do with politics, they are trying to jump the queue ahead of legit claims. Send them back immediately and stop these boats from entering our waters period. Canadians pay enough in taces without picking up the expenses of illegals.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    polaris_x wrote:
    what we really need here is an overhaul of our electoral system that includes some kind of proportional representation ...

    yeah this needs to happen in the US as well...
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    lukin2006 wrote:
    HOLY SHIT!!!!nothing to do with politics, they are trying to jump the queue ahead of legit claims. Send them back immediately and stop these boats from entering our waters period. Canadians pay enough in taces without picking up the expenses of illegals.

    yeah we get them here in australia... those bastards we should just send them back to their war torn countries and be done with them all. :shock: ;)
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    lukin2006 wrote:
    HOLY SHIT!!!!nothing to do with politics, they are trying to jump the queue ahead of legit claims. Send them back immediately and stop these boats from entering our waters period. Canadians pay enough in taces without picking up the expenses of illegals.

    as was mentioned before, we can't just send them back. there are international laws that we must follow. will be really hard to stop these boats from coming into our waters unless we increase the size of our Navy which I don't know if we want to do that.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    catefrances wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    HOLY SHIT!!!!nothing to do with politics, they are trying to jump the queue ahead of legit claims. Send them back immediately and stop these boats from entering our waters period. Canadians pay enough in taces without picking up the expenses of illegals.

    yeah we get them here in australia... those bastards we should just send them back to their war torn countries and be done with them all. :shock: ;)

    come on, you know its not that simple. there are many war torn countries and i don't think its feasible that countries should just accept all of the citizens. its just not possible. also, the added issues is that Canada has stated that they recognize the Tamil tigers to be a terrorist organization. Now, i am not say9ng that these people are terrorists but you have to watch out for that. I would assume every country would do the same thing.
  • sourdough09sourdough09 Posts: 37
    This is a human rights issue isn't it? None of us know their stories or the circumstances that they have come from or what they are at risk of enduring if they were to be sent back so can we resist the urge to jump to conclusions? IF they are legitimate refugees which is certainly possible considering the persecution that the Tamils have experienced as an ethnic minority in Sri Lanka, then to send them back where they may subject to torture or death would be incredibly immoral and unethical. IF there are traffickers and exploitation then obviously they should be sent back. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    fife wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    HOLY SHIT!!!!nothing to do with politics, they are trying to jump the queue ahead of legit claims. Send them back immediately and stop these boats from entering our waters period. Canadians pay enough in taces without picking up the expenses of illegals.

    yeah we get them here in australia... those bastards we should just send them back to their war torn countries and be done with them all. :shock: ;)

    come on, you know its not that simple. there are many war torn countries and i don't think its feasible that countries should just accept all of the citizens. its just not possible. also, the added issues is that Canada has stated that they recognize the Tamil tigers to be a terrorist organization. Now, i am not say9ng that these people are terrorists but you have to watch out for that. I would assume every country would do the same thing.

    why would you assume that? do you remember when the maragret thatcher as prime minister of great britain called the ANC a terrorist organisation?

    funny when people speak of globalisation (not saying you are) it only extends economically. i think its a misnomer to vaildate the first worlds raping and subjugation of the 3rd world.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    oh i totally forgot to post about this the other day but i definitely meant to...

    from what i know the people are being held in Maple Ridge, which is right across the water from me.
    They arrived somewhere on the west side of vancouver island i think...
    (sorry I only skimmed this thread)

    I think they had sent a ship within the last couple years as somewhat of a test run for this one (and maybe more to come) and the women and children were a huge integral part to the operation of course, because it changes the dynamics of public opinion greatly...

    Anyways, I'm majorly torn about this as well.
    My mom thinks they should be sent back and come here legally like anybody else has/had to (my dad included)
    But then I said, when you think about it, not everyone has the means to do so legally.
    BUT THEN you hear that they paid 40k to the smugglers to come here...
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    Great day for American politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... ogran.html

    Oh shit this is our pro-police and security conservative Canadian government. I guess we spent all our money on that fake pool.

    every arms-length body that used to run independent of gov't is now being micro-managed by harper ... he can't push too much of his agenda thru the house so he uses these agencies to push forth his right-wing agenda ...

    it's really a sad state of affairs ... but sadly, those that vote for him will probably always vote for him ...
    But he dropped GST by two whole percent. The man is a saint. ;)
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    Great day for American politics

    http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... ogran.html

    Oh shit this is our pro-police and security conservative Canadian government. I guess we spent all our money on that fake pool.

    every arms-length body that used to run independent of gov't is now being micro-managed by harper ... he can't push too much of his agenda thru the house so he uses these agencies to push forth his right-wing agenda ...

    it's really a sad state of affairs ... but sadly, those that vote for him will probably always vote for him ...
    But he dropped GST by two whole percent. The man is a saint. ;)
    He did?
    I thought he just gave BC and Ontario incentives to convert to HST....
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    haffajappa wrote:
    oh i totally forgot to post about this the other day but i definitely meant to...

    from what i know the people are being held in Maple Ridge, which is right across the water from me.
    They arrived somewhere on the west side of vancouver island i think...
    (sorry I only skimmed this thread)

    I think they had sent a ship within the last couple years as somewhat of a test run for this one (and maybe more to come) and the women and children were a huge integral part to the operation of course, because it changes the dynamics of public opinion greatly...

    Anyways, I'm majorly torn about this as well.
    My mom thinks they should be sent back and come here legally like anybody else has/had to (my dad included)
    But then I said, when you think about it, not everyone has the means to do so legally.
    BUT THEN you hear that they paid 40k to the smugglers to come here...

    If they paid 40 k, then they really are not poor, or that money is coming from the tamil community within Canada and they should be investigated by the RCMP, if wrong doing is taking place charges need to be laid. The Navy needs to intercept these ships and turn them back, sorry if people don't like the tough stance.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    lukin2006 wrote:

    If they paid 40 k, then they really are not poor, or that money is coming from the tamil community within Canada and they should be investigated by the RCMP, if wrong doing is taking place charges need to be laid. The Navy needs to intercept these ships and turn them back, sorry if people don't like the tough stance.
    yeah like i said i'm torn...
    a part of me really wants to sympathize because a lot of these people might be genuine refugees...
    but then is it fair that other genuine refugees are not skipping the line up and have to wait while these guys float on in?

    and of course if we allow it, it sets a precedent for future boats
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    haffajappa wrote:
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:

    every arms-length body that used to run independent of gov't is now being micro-managed by harper ... he can't push too much of his agenda thru the house so he uses these agencies to push forth his right-wing agenda ...

    it's really a sad state of affairs ... but sadly, those that vote for him will probably always vote for him ...
    But he dropped GST by two whole percent. The man is a saint. ;)
    He did?
    I thought he just gave BC and Ontario incentives to convert to HST....
    I said the man was a saint, not Jesus. ;)
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    lukin2006 wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    oh i totally forgot to post about this the other day but i definitely meant to...

    from what i know the people are being held in Maple Ridge, which is right across the water from me.
    They arrived somewhere on the west side of vancouver island i think...
    (sorry I only skimmed this thread)

    I think they had sent a ship within the last couple years as somewhat of a test run for this one (and maybe more to come) and the women and children were a huge integral part to the operation of course, because it changes the dynamics of public opinion greatly...

    Anyways, I'm majorly torn about this as well.
    My mom thinks they should be sent back and come here legally like anybody else has/had to (my dad included)
    But then I said, when you think about it, not everyone has the means to do so legally.
    BUT THEN you hear that they paid 40k to the smugglers to come here...

    If they paid 40 k, then they really are not poor, or that money is coming from the tamil community within Canada and they should be investigated by the RCMP, if wrong doing is taking place charges need to be laid. The Navy needs to intercept these ships and turn them back, sorry if people don't like the tough stance.

    actually, I know this guy who works for the Canadian centre for people against torture who once told me that alot of poor people paid alot of money to go somewhere liek canada and america and what actually is teh case is that they must send money back to these load sharks who gave them teh money to start. therefore, yes they may hav epaid 40k but inreality they are slaves to these load sharks.

    This is a international issues that i don't think can be resloved by just saying send them back.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    fife wrote:

    actually, I know this guy who works for the Canadian centre for people against torture who once told me that alot of poor people paid alot of money to go somewhere liek canada and america and what actually is teh case is that they must send money back to these load sharks who gave them teh money to start. therefore, yes they may hav epaid 40k but inreality they are slaves to these load sharks.

    This is a international issues that i don't think can be resloved by just saying send them back.
    we have a large number of filipinos in my area now and i know that this is the case with a lot of them, as i work at a canada post and they are always sending moneygrams that are like their entire paycheques back to the philippines otherwise their families are in debt or something...
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    haffajappa wrote:
    fife wrote:

    actually, I know this guy who works for the Canadian centre for people against torture who once told me that alot of poor people paid alot of money to go somewhere liek canada and america and what actually is teh case is that they must send money back to these load sharks who gave them teh money to start. therefore, yes they may hav epaid 40k but inreality they are slaves to these load sharks.

    This is a international issues that i don't think can be resloved by just saying send them back.
    we have a large number of filipinos in my area now and i know that this is the case with a lot of them, as i work at a canada post and they are always sending moneygrams that are like their entire paycheques back to the philippines otherwise their families are in debt or something...

    so very sad, you try to improve your life and your families life and stuff like this happens.
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