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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    If the detained group was familiar with each other, then the blindfolds would serve to cut off communication by eye contact. Judging by the pictures, they appear to be in a make-shift (i hope) detention center. It is probably for safety protocol.

    Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.

    soo ... if you are driving across the border into canada and say your name matches with someone on a terrorist list ... are you saying it's ok for you to be handcuffed and blindfolded?

    and gimmesometruth - we aren't missing the point ... we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we happen to think there is a larger issue with regards to how they treat the people they detain ...
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rafie wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    rafie wrote:
    As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.

    ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?

    The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
    As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
    i've been trying for half an hour to post this. my hands won't stop shaking.

    how can a child already in custody, plan an attack against the might of the IDF?

    10 year old Amir was blindfolded. he had his eyes covered by a hat and was held in a room where he could hear a dog panting. He was ten years old. his crime? apart from being born Palestinian, he was accused of throwing stones which he says he only admitted to because he was was interrogated and traumatised. he did admit to throwing stones earlier in the week.

    somebody PLEASE stop this. it's almost too much to think about anymore. it has to stop.

    Jail ordeal of hundreds of Palestinian children arrested for throwing stonesRights groups express concern at the rising number of juveniles as young as 12 who are held behind bars and 'treated like terrorists'

    With more than 300 Palestinian children being held in Israeli prisons, human rights groups and Palestinian officials are increasingly concerned about the actions of the Israeli military.

    The Israeli group B'Tselem said that security forces had "severely violated" the rights of a number of children, aged between 12 and 15, who had been taken into custody in recent months.

    The family of one 13-year-old boy from Hebron who was arrested on 27 February by a military patrol and detained for eight days have brought a legal case against the authorities. The teenager, Al-Hasan Muhtaseb, described how he had been interrogated without a lawyer late into the night, forced to confess to throwing stones, made to sign a confession in Hebrew that he couldn't read, jailed with adults and brought before a military court. He was only released on bail eight days later, after considerable legal effort by several human rights groups. As he had signed a confession, he still faces a possible indictment for throwing stones – a charge that usually brings several months in jail but carries a maximum penalty of 20 years' jail.

    Although most international attention focuses on diplomatic sparring in the Middle East, it is cases such as this teenager's arrest that are the reality for Palestinians living under Israeli military occupation. The surprise about the teenager's experience is not that it is exceptional, but that it is a common occurrence.

    As of the end of February, 343 Palestinian children were being held in Israeli prisons, according to Defence for Children International (DCI), which took up the Muhtaseb case. Israel routinely prosecutes Palestinian children as young as 12 and the Israeli legal system treats Palestinians as adults when they turn 16, but Israelis become adults only at 18. Ill-treatment and torture of Palestinian children are "widespread, systematic and institutionalised", DCI said in a report last year.

    Al-Hasan Muhtaseb was arrested early in the afternoon as he and his 10-year-old brother Amir were walking home through Hebron, in the occupied West Bank, after visiting their aunt.

    "Two soldiers came to us and told us: 'Come over here.' We went to them," said Al-Hasan, a slight boy, neatly dressed, who barely looks his 13 years. "They took my brother and I don't know where they took him. I was sent inside the station and I never saw him after that."

    They were detained separately. Amir was released later that night, deeply traumatised. "He was in a very, very bad psychological state," said his father, Fadel Muhtaseb, 45. "He had wet himself. He was terrified." The boy said he had been held with his eyes covered by a hat in a room where there was also a dog, which he could hear panting.

    Al-Hasan was interrogated at an Israeli military post in Kiryat Arba, a Jewish settlement in Hebron. "I was asked: 'Did you throw stones? Did you hurt the soldiers or hit their vehicles? How close were you to the soldiers? Why were you throwing stones?'," he said. Eventually he had admitted throwing stones, although in an interview last week Al-Hasan said it was untrue: on that day he had not thrown stones, although earlier in the week he had.

    He had been made to sign a statement in Hebrew, a language he doesn't speak or read. He was blindfolded and taken to Ofer military prison, where he arrived at 3.30am. "There were no other children," he said. "I was afraid." Three days after his arrest he appeared at a military court. But his father, who works as a tiler, could not afford the 2,000 shekels (£350) bail. "My father told them he couldn't pay this much money," said Al-Hasan. His father, who sat next to him through the interview, burst into tears.

    Last Sunday the boy was freed under a bail arrangement in which his father faces arrest if his son does not appear at the next summons. "Even if he were throwing stones, he is only 13," said Fadel. "They treated him like a terrorist. They claim they are democratic and human, but they are not."

    The Israeli Defence Force defended the arrest, saying Israeli troops were acting to prevent violence. Both boys are now incontinent and Amir has been hospitalised. "He wakes up in the middle of the night screaming," said Fadel. "We try to comfort him, but he's getting worse and worse."

    The Palestinian Authority highlighted the case of the two Muhtaseb brothers, saying Israel was breaching international law and has recently seemed to take a stronger stance against the more routine challenges of the occupation, including the effect of the West Bank barrier. Israeli security forces have warned of a broader crackdown if the protests escalate.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ted-israel
  • dimitrispearljam
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    polaris_x wrote:
    we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we ...
    no,no idiot...is wrong..its illigal what she is doing
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i've been trying for half an hour to post this. my hands won't stop shaking.

    how can a child already in custody, plan an attack against the might of the IDF?

    10 year old Amir was blindfolded. he had his eyes covered by a hat and was held in a room where he could hear a dog panting. He was ten years old. his crime? apart from being born Palestinian, he was accused of throwing stones which he says he only admitted to because he was was interrogated and traumatised. he did admit to throwing stones earlier in the week.

    somebody PLEASE stop this. it's almost too much to think about anymore. it has to stop.

    Jail ordeal of hundreds of Palestinian children arrested for throwing stonesRights groups express concern at the rising number of juveniles as young as 12 who are held behind bars and 'treated like terrorists'

    With more than 300 Palestinian children being held in Israeli prisons, human rights groups and Palestinian officials are increasingly concerned about the actions of the Israeli military.

    The Israeli group B'Tselem said that security forces had "severely violated" the rights of a number of children, aged between 12 and 15, who had been taken into custody in recent months.

    The family of one 13-year-old boy from Hebron who was arrested on 27 February by a military patrol and detained for eight days have brought a legal case against the authorities. The teenager, Al-Hasan Muhtaseb, described how he had been interrogated without a lawyer late into the night, forced to confess to throwing stones, made to sign a confession in Hebrew that he couldn't read, jailed with adults and brought before a military court. He was only released on bail eight days later, after considerable legal effort by several human rights groups. As he had signed a confession, he still faces a possible indictment for throwing stones – a charge that usually brings several months in jail but carries a maximum penalty of 20 years' jail.

    Although most international attention focuses on diplomatic sparring in the Middle East, it is cases such as this teenager's arrest that are the reality for Palestinians living under Israeli military occupation. The surprise about the teenager's experience is not that it is exceptional, but that it is a common occurrence.

    As of the end of February, 343 Palestinian children were being held in Israeli prisons, according to Defence for Children International (DCI), which took up the Muhtaseb case. Israel routinely prosecutes Palestinian children as young as 12 and the Israeli legal system treats Palestinians as adults when they turn 16, but Israelis become adults only at 18. Ill-treatment and torture of Palestinian children are "widespread, systematic and institutionalised", DCI said in a report last year.

    Al-Hasan Muhtaseb was arrested early in the afternoon as he and his 10-year-old brother Amir were walking home through Hebron, in the occupied West Bank, after visiting their aunt.

    "Two soldiers came to us and told us: 'Come over here.' We went to them," said Al-Hasan, a slight boy, neatly dressed, who barely looks his 13 years. "They took my brother and I don't know where they took him. I was sent inside the station and I never saw him after that."

    They were detained separately. Amir was released later that night, deeply traumatised. "He was in a very, very bad psychological state," said his father, Fadel Muhtaseb, 45. "He had wet himself. He was terrified." The boy said he had been held with his eyes covered by a hat in a room where there was also a dog, which he could hear panting.

    Al-Hasan was interrogated at an Israeli military post in Kiryat Arba, a Jewish settlement in Hebron. "I was asked: 'Did you throw stones? Did you hurt the soldiers or hit their vehicles? How close were you to the soldiers? Why were you throwing stones?'," he said. Eventually he had admitted throwing stones, although in an interview last week Al-Hasan said it was untrue: on that day he had not thrown stones, although earlier in the week he had.

    He had been made to sign a statement in Hebrew, a language he doesn't speak or read. He was blindfolded and taken to Ofer military prison, where he arrived at 3.30am. "There were no other children," he said. "I was afraid." Three days after his arrest he appeared at a military court. But his father, who works as a tiler, could not afford the 2,000 shekels (£350) bail. "My father told them he couldn't pay this much money," said Al-Hasan. His father, who sat next to him through the interview, burst into tears.

    Last Sunday the boy was freed under a bail arrangement in which his father faces arrest if his son does not appear at the next summons. "Even if he were throwing stones, he is only 13," said Fadel. "They treated him like a terrorist. They claim they are democratic and human, but they are not."

    The Israeli Defence Force defended the arrest, saying Israeli troops were acting to prevent violence. Both boys are now incontinent and Amir has been hospitalised. "He wakes up in the middle of the night screaming," said Fadel. "We try to comfort him, but he's getting worse and worse."

    The Palestinian Authority highlighted the case of the two Muhtaseb brothers, saying Israel was breaching international law and has recently seemed to take a stronger stance against the more routine challenges of the occupation, including the effect of the West Bank barrier. Israeli security forces have warned of a broader crackdown if the protests escalate.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ted-israel
    absolutely fucking disgusting!!! :twisted: :twisted:
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we ...
    no,no idiot...is wrong..its illigal what she is doing

    not in israel it isn't ... :(
  • rafie
    rafie Posts: 2,160
    Jason P wrote:
    If the detained group was familiar with each other, then the blindfolds would serve to cut off communication by eye contact. Judging by the pictures, they appear to be in a make-shift (i hope) detention center. It is probably for safety protocol.

    Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.
    By the looks of the pic, I can tell you that it was probably taken at a road checkpoint or inside of a regular base during transfer, and not at any kind of prison facility (They are usually kept blindfolded and handcuffed until they reach an actual containment facility). The people who do the actual questioning of Palestinian prisoners are not the IDF, but the "Shaback", which stands for "general security service". Problem is, it can some times take the Shaback a while to arrive to the base to pick them up.
    The soldier in the pic had no business being any where near the detainees.
    polaris_x wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we ...
    no,no idiot...is wrong..its illigal what she is doing

    not in israel it isn't ... :(

    Charges are being brought up against her and like I posted earlier, I hope she goes to jail.

    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    when they transfer prisoner must be in handcuffing...when they are in a yard of a prison must be free of anything,,prisoner have rights...i think they are like this for make fun of them,the girl and the fotographer..
    this is wrong...again.. when u have the power..you use it in bad ways..ofcourse im sure if hamas get a israelian soldier as a prisoner,he will have the same luck with those poor people iin this fotos
    Like I wrote above, they were still being transported.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    If the detained group was familiar with each other, then the blindfolds would serve to cut off communication by eye contact. Judging by the pictures, they appear to be in a make-shift (i hope) detention center. It is probably for safety protocol.

    Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.

    soo ... if you are driving across the border into canada and say your name matches with someone on a terrorist list ... are you saying it's ok for you to be handcuffed and blindfolded?

    and gimmesometruth - we aren't missing the point ... we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we happen to think there is a larger issue with regards to how they treat the people they detain ...
    If I was a flight risk and they didn't have appropriate detention facilities, they would probably either blindfold me or tie my ankles up. I've seen people hogtied at border checks before. What is worse? A blindfold or being hog-tied with zip ties? Actually, I thought I was going to find that out the hard way while traveling into Alberta after having a Canadian border agent do just about everything except pull the rubber gloves on . . .

    In regards to the moral issue at hand . . . the girl is an idiot and did something foolish. Her punishment has already been executed . . . scorn, anger, and public judgement from all over the world has been showered down upon her.

    However, on the "outrage" scale, this ranks about a 1.5 while the flotilla ranks a 10.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    if I was a flight risk and they didn't have appropriate detention facilities, they would probably either blindfold me or tie my ankles up. I've seen people hogtied at border checks before. What is worse? A blindfold or being hog-tied with zip ties? Actually, I thought I was going to find that out the hard way while traveling into Alberta after having a Canadian border agent do just about everything except pull the rubber gloves on . . .

    In regards to the moral issue at hand . . . the girl is an idiot and did something foolish. Her punishment has already been executed . . . scorn, anger, and public judgement from all over the world has been showered down upon her.

    However, on the "outrage" scale, this ranks about a 1.5 while the flotilla ranks a 10.

    my buddy is on a list because his name matches someone of interest but nothing else matches ... in any case - every time we cross over, he is detained ... i can't imagine he or anyone in general taking too kindly to being blindfolded and handcuffed while they sort it out ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    my buddy is on a list because his name matches someone of interest but nothing else matches ... in any case - every time we cross over, he is detained ... i can't imagine he or anyone in general taking too kindly to being blindfolded and handcuffed while they sort it out ...
    That would suck! How long does it take him to get through?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    That would suck! How long does it take him to get through?

    it's usually about 20 mins ... based on our 6:30 am crossings to catch a flight from buffalo ... i'm lucky in that i'm usually in another car so we just go right thru ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    That would suck! How long does it take him to get through?

    it's usually about 20 mins ... based on our 6:30 am crossings to catch a flight from buffalo ... i'm lucky in that i'm usually in another car so we just go right thru ...
    That is a bad break for your friend. I guess if someone named John Smith became a "person of interest" there would be quite a few pissed-off John Smiths in the world.

    I thought that the Buffalo border was pretty easy to get through. Didn't some drunk guys from Toronto get a ten foot tall wooden statue of Thurman Thomas through there last year? :lol:
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    rafie wrote:
    As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
    this particular incident isn't a generalization of all of Israel. However, this is a clear side effect of Israeli occupation. An occupation by default dehumanizes the people it's occupying. That's the problem here. She's taking a picture with these blindfolded Palestinians as if they're deer she just hunted down, or some fish she just caught.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    polaris_x wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?

    well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...
    actually Israeli prisons quite often torture Palestinian detainees, and there are even reports about sexual assault as a form of torture (which was I think even used on children).
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    rafie wrote:
    Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
    This is a lie.

    "From the beginning of the intifada (December 9, 1987) until today, thousands of Palestinians have been held in administrative detention for periods ranging from six months to several years.

    Administrative detention is detention without charge or trial that is authorized by administrative order rather than by judicial decree. Under international law, it is allowed under certain circumstances. However, because of the serious injury to due-process rights inherent in this measure and the obvious danger of its abuse, international law has placed rigid restrictions on its application. According to international law, administrative detention can be used only in the most exceptional cases, as the last means available for preventing danger that cannot be thwarted by less harmful means.

    Israel's use of administrative detention blatantly violates these restrictions. It is carried out under the thick cover of privilege, which denies detainees the possibility of mounting a proper defense. Over the years, Israel has administratively detained thousands of Palestinian for prolonged periods of time, without prosecuting them, without informing them of the charges against them, and without allowing them or their attorneys to study the evidence, making a mockery of the protections specified in Israeli and international law to protect the right to liberty and due process, the right of defendants to state their case, and the presumption of innocence."

    http://www.btselem.org/english/Administ ... /Index.asp
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    rafie wrote:
    The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
    As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.

    uhhh ... is there no innocent until proven guilty notion in israel? ... are you truly a democracy that respects human rights if you are handcuffing and blindfolding just people of interest? ... many of these guys get let go after questioning ...

    we're not talking about actual people who committed crimes - these are just people they want to question and it could be for whatever reason ...
    If the detained group was familiar with each other, then the blindfolds would serve to cut off communication by eye contact. Judging by the pictures, they appear to be in a make-shift (i hope) detention center. It is probably for safety protocol.

    Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.
    Jason P, I'm afraid you're misunderstanding the situation entirely. This isn't US jails, this is an occupation. Occupations dehumanize and terrorize the indigenous population. Just look at this quote:

    ""I wanted to see if it was possible to see Palestinians as human beings..."

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... s-1.308233
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    rafie wrote:
    As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.308582

    'Facebook photos of soldiers posing with bound Palestinians are the norm'
    Rights group Breaking the Silence refutes IDF claim that photos posted by female soldier under the heading 'the time of my life' are an anomaly.

    Facebook photos depicting Israel Defense Forces soldiers pictured alongside handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinian detainees represent the norm, not the exception, in IDF conduct, an Israeli human rights group said on Tuesday, thus refuting an official army statement claiming the opposite.

    Photographs uploaded by Eden Abergil released earlier this week and labeled "IDF – the best time of my life," sparked massive public outrage. The photos depicted Abergil smiling next to Palestinian prisoners with their hands bound and their eyes covered.

    A comment attached to one of the photos of the soldier smiling in front of two blindfold men and posted by one of Abergil's friends read "That looks really sexy for you," with Abergil's response reading: "I wonder if he is on Facebook too – I'll have to tag him in the photo."

    An IDF spokesman had issued a response on Monday, saying that "on the face of it the behavior exhibited by the soldier is base and crude."

    In a statement released Tuesday by Breaking the Silence, an organization that collects testimonies of Israeli soldiers on alleged abuse of Palestinians in the territories, the group said that while the IDF claimed to be "shocked" by Abergil's photos, it did not represent "the ugly behavior of just one person."

    The statement released in a Facebook page called "The Norm that IDF Spokesman Avi Benayahu Denies," also included several graphic photos depicting soldiers posing next to the bodies of suspected militants as well as next to handcuffed detainees [viewer discretion is advised].

    In the Facebook page, Breaking the Silence said that the norms the photos allegedly expose were the" necessary result of a long-term military control of a civilian population."

    "We suggest that the IDF Spokesman not insult the intelligence of the Israeli public, and clarify that it is a widespread phenomenon, not an aberration caused by a single soldier," the statement said, adding that the enclosed photos were taken at several times during the last ten years and represented only a "preliminary batch."

    Speaking to Army Radio earlier Tuesday, Abergil, whose Facebook photos caused a worldwide media storm, said she still couldn't see what was wrong with the images, saying the "pictures were taken in good faith, there was no statement in them."

    Referring to the possibility that the images could injure Israel's image in the international arena, Abergil said: "We will always be attacked. Whatever we do, we will always be attacked."
  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just another example of how Israel deliberately subjects Palestinians to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in order to terrorize, intimidate and humiliate them.

    an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?

    I don't have one ounce of sympathy for the Palestinians in this photo. I'm sure Obama will be weighing in very soon.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just another example of how Israel deliberately subjects Palestinians to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in order to terrorize, intimidate and humiliate them.

    an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?

    I don't have one ounce of sympathy for the Palestinians in this photo. I'm sure Obama will be weighing in very soon.
    why would you? your racism transcends any bounds of sympathy you could carry.
  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    _outlaw wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just another example of how Israel deliberately subjects Palestinians to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in order to terrorize, intimidate and humiliate them.

    an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?

    I don't have one ounce of sympathy for the Palestinians in this photo. I'm sure Obama will be weighing in very soon.
    why would you? your racism transcends any bounds of sympathy you could carry.

    Why would you insinuate that I'm a racist? Is it because I side with Israel and because I don't like Obama? That's the trendy liberal line these days. If you disagree with Obama, then you MUST be one of those racists. You're comment shows what a shallow, ignorant individual you must be.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I don't have one ounce of sympathy for the Palestinians in this photo. I'm sure Obama will be weighing in very soon.
    why would you? your racism transcends any bounds of sympathy you could carry.

    Why would you insinuate that I'm a racist? Is it because I side with Israel and because I don't like Obama? That's the trendy liberal line these days. If you disagree with Obama, then you MUST be one of those racists. You're comment shows what a shallow, ignorant individual you must be.
    No. In fact, Obama has been extremely pro-Israeli so far. If he weighs in, which he won't in this case, it's in support of Israel. I wouldn't expect you to know that though since, after all, Obama IS one of those Muslims and probably supports Palestinians, am I right?

    I insinuate you're a racist because you have a complete and utter lack of sympathy for the blindfolded people in the photo simply because they are Palestinian. I know this because there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest they have even done anything illegal (ever) and, as I've posted above, it is very normal for Israel to hold Palestinians in prison for long periods of time without ever charging them. Yet, despite this, you don't care to understand the situation at all. Typical signs of racism behind all this. This doesn't even take into account the fact that you compared Muslims, as a religion, in another thread to the SS. I won't take the time to call you ignorant, unlearned, etc, because you can't be racist without displaying all of these attributes as well.

    Have a nice day, dude ;)

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