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is this the israeli lynndie englund??
Israel soldier posed for photos with bound Arab
Facebook photos draw criticism from Israel, Palestinian officials
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38727852/ns ... tn_africa/
JERUSALEM — A former Israeli soldier posted photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, drawing sharp criticism Monday from the Israeli military and Palestinian officials.
Israeli news websites and blogs showed two photographs of the woman. In one, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier. His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned. Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
Israeli soldiers have run into trouble on the social media sites like Facebook and YouTube before. Most recently a group of combat soldiers were reprimanded for breaking into choreographed dance moves while on patrol in the West Bank town of Hebron. The dance featured prominently on YouTube.
Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib condemned the photos and said they pointed to a deeper malaise — how Israel's 43-year-old occupation of Palestinians has affected the Israelis who enforce it.
"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
The Israeli military also criticized the young woman, who Israeli news media and bloggers identified from her Facebook page as Eden Aberjil of the southern Israeli port town of Ashdod. No official confirmed her identity.
"These are disgraceful photos," said Capt. Barak Raz, an Israeli military spokesman. "Aside from matters of information security, we are talking about a serious violation of our morals and our ethical code and should this soldier be serving in active duty today, I would imagine that no doubt she would be court-martialed immediately," he told Associated Press Television News.
It was not clear whether the army could punish the woman, because she has finished her compulsory military service.
The comments by the woman and her friend in an exchange below one photograph suggested how casually the picture was treated, including jokes and sexual innuendoes.
"You're the sexiest like that," her friend wrote.
"I wonder if he's got Facebook!" the woman in the photograph responded. "I have to tag him in the picture!"
Aberjil did not respond to reporters' questions Monday.
The photographs were a reminder of snapshots taken in 2003 by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq that showed Iraqi detainees naked, humiliated and terrified. In that case, some soldiers went to prison after the photos came to light.
The photographs of the Israeli soldier and the Palestinians, by contrast, show no overt physical abuse or coercion of the prisoners, although they are ridiculed in the comments between the soldier and her friends.
Palestinians are routinely handcuffed and blindfolded when they are arrested to stop them from trying to flee.
Israel controls much of the occupied West Bank captured in a 1967 war that Palestinians want as part of a future state along with the Gaza Strip and a capital in East Jerusalem.
In cases where Israeli soldiers and police suspect Palestinians are involved in security breaches, they are sometimes bound and blindfolded while waiting to be taken for questioning.
Israel soldier posed for photos with bound Arab
Facebook photos draw criticism from Israel, Palestinian officials
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38727852/ns ... tn_africa/
JERUSALEM — A former Israeli soldier posted photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, drawing sharp criticism Monday from the Israeli military and Palestinian officials.
Israeli news websites and blogs showed two photographs of the woman. In one, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier. His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned. Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
Israeli soldiers have run into trouble on the social media sites like Facebook and YouTube before. Most recently a group of combat soldiers were reprimanded for breaking into choreographed dance moves while on patrol in the West Bank town of Hebron. The dance featured prominently on YouTube.
Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib condemned the photos and said they pointed to a deeper malaise — how Israel's 43-year-old occupation of Palestinians has affected the Israelis who enforce it.
"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
The Israeli military also criticized the young woman, who Israeli news media and bloggers identified from her Facebook page as Eden Aberjil of the southern Israeli port town of Ashdod. No official confirmed her identity.
"These are disgraceful photos," said Capt. Barak Raz, an Israeli military spokesman. "Aside from matters of information security, we are talking about a serious violation of our morals and our ethical code and should this soldier be serving in active duty today, I would imagine that no doubt she would be court-martialed immediately," he told Associated Press Television News.
It was not clear whether the army could punish the woman, because she has finished her compulsory military service.
The comments by the woman and her friend in an exchange below one photograph suggested how casually the picture was treated, including jokes and sexual innuendoes.
"You're the sexiest like that," her friend wrote.
"I wonder if he's got Facebook!" the woman in the photograph responded. "I have to tag him in the picture!"
Aberjil did not respond to reporters' questions Monday.
The photographs were a reminder of snapshots taken in 2003 by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq that showed Iraqi detainees naked, humiliated and terrified. In that case, some soldiers went to prison after the photos came to light.
The photographs of the Israeli soldier and the Palestinians, by contrast, show no overt physical abuse or coercion of the prisoners, although they are ridiculed in the comments between the soldier and her friends.
Palestinians are routinely handcuffed and blindfolded when they are arrested to stop them from trying to flee.
Israel controls much of the occupied West Bank captured in a 1967 war that Palestinians want as part of a future state along with the Gaza Strip and a capital in East Jerusalem.
In cases where Israeli soldiers and police suspect Palestinians are involved in security breaches, they are sometimes bound and blindfolded while waiting to be taken for questioning.
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an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
2010: 9/7/10 - Bilbao
2012: 26-27/6/12 - Amsterdam ~~ 29/6/12 - Werchter ~~ 4-5/7/12 - Berlin
2014: 25/6/14 - Vienna ~~ 26/6/14 - Berlin
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
the girl in the foto seems not respect human life..must be punished..the problem is how she grow up..the sad thing is that alot of israelians,or palestines grow up to hate eachothers.,..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
2010: 9/7/10 - Bilbao
2012: 26-27/6/12 - Amsterdam ~~ 29/6/12 - Werchter ~~ 4-5/7/12 - Berlin
2014: 25/6/14 - Vienna ~~ 26/6/14 - Berlin
uhhh ... is there no innocent until proven guilty notion in israel? ... are you truly a democracy that respects human rights if you are handcuffing and blindfolding just people of interest? ... many of these guys get let go after questioning ...
we're not talking about actual people who committed crimes - these are just people they want to question and it could be for whatever reason ...
this is wrong...again.. when u have the power..you use it in bad ways..ofcourse im sure if hamas get a israelian soldier as a prisoner,he will have the same luck with those poor people iin this fotos
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
yup, and then they got some of the best medical treatment anybody could ask for.
Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/ ... 9386.shtml
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... -site.html
doesn't sound like decent medical treatment to me.... medical treatment includes mental health and treatment...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
soo ... if you are driving across the border into canada and say your name matches with someone on a terrorist list ... are you saying it's ok for you to be handcuffed and blindfolded?
and gimmesometruth - we aren't missing the point ... we've already agreed the soldier was an idiot ... we happen to think there is a larger issue with regards to how they treat the people they detain ...
how can a child already in custody, plan an attack against the might of the IDF?
10 year old Amir was blindfolded. he had his eyes covered by a hat and was held in a room where he could hear a dog panting. He was ten years old. his crime? apart from being born Palestinian, he was accused of throwing stones which he says he only admitted to because he was was interrogated and traumatised. he did admit to throwing stones earlier in the week.
somebody PLEASE stop this. it's almost too much to think about anymore. it has to stop.
Jail ordeal of hundreds of Palestinian children arrested for throwing stonesRights groups express concern at the rising number of juveniles as young as 12 who are held behind bars and 'treated like terrorists'
With more than 300 Palestinian children being held in Israeli prisons, human rights groups and Palestinian officials are increasingly concerned about the actions of the Israeli military.
The Israeli group B'Tselem said that security forces had "severely violated" the rights of a number of children, aged between 12 and 15, who had been taken into custody in recent months.
The family of one 13-year-old boy from Hebron who was arrested on 27 February by a military patrol and detained for eight days have brought a legal case against the authorities. The teenager, Al-Hasan Muhtaseb, described how he had been interrogated without a lawyer late into the night, forced to confess to throwing stones, made to sign a confession in Hebrew that he couldn't read, jailed with adults and brought before a military court. He was only released on bail eight days later, after considerable legal effort by several human rights groups. As he had signed a confession, he still faces a possible indictment for throwing stones – a charge that usually brings several months in jail but carries a maximum penalty of 20 years' jail.
Although most international attention focuses on diplomatic sparring in the Middle East, it is cases such as this teenager's arrest that are the reality for Palestinians living under Israeli military occupation. The surprise about the teenager's experience is not that it is exceptional, but that it is a common occurrence.
As of the end of February, 343 Palestinian children were being held in Israeli prisons, according to Defence for Children International (DCI), which took up the Muhtaseb case. Israel routinely prosecutes Palestinian children as young as 12 and the Israeli legal system treats Palestinians as adults when they turn 16, but Israelis become adults only at 18. Ill-treatment and torture of Palestinian children are "widespread, systematic and institutionalised", DCI said in a report last year.
Al-Hasan Muhtaseb was arrested early in the afternoon as he and his 10-year-old brother Amir were walking home through Hebron, in the occupied West Bank, after visiting their aunt.
"Two soldiers came to us and told us: 'Come over here.' We went to them," said Al-Hasan, a slight boy, neatly dressed, who barely looks his 13 years. "They took my brother and I don't know where they took him. I was sent inside the station and I never saw him after that."
They were detained separately. Amir was released later that night, deeply traumatised. "He was in a very, very bad psychological state," said his father, Fadel Muhtaseb, 45. "He had wet himself. He was terrified." The boy said he had been held with his eyes covered by a hat in a room where there was also a dog, which he could hear panting.
Al-Hasan was interrogated at an Israeli military post in Kiryat Arba, a Jewish settlement in Hebron. "I was asked: 'Did you throw stones? Did you hurt the soldiers or hit their vehicles? How close were you to the soldiers? Why were you throwing stones?'," he said. Eventually he had admitted throwing stones, although in an interview last week Al-Hasan said it was untrue: on that day he had not thrown stones, although earlier in the week he had.
He had been made to sign a statement in Hebrew, a language he doesn't speak or read. He was blindfolded and taken to Ofer military prison, where he arrived at 3.30am. "There were no other children," he said. "I was afraid." Three days after his arrest he appeared at a military court. But his father, who works as a tiler, could not afford the 2,000 shekels (£350) bail. "My father told them he couldn't pay this much money," said Al-Hasan. His father, who sat next to him through the interview, burst into tears.
Last Sunday the boy was freed under a bail arrangement in which his father faces arrest if his son does not appear at the next summons. "Even if he were throwing stones, he is only 13," said Fadel. "They treated him like a terrorist. They claim they are democratic and human, but they are not."
The Israeli Defence Force defended the arrest, saying Israeli troops were acting to prevent violence. Both boys are now incontinent and Amir has been hospitalised. "He wakes up in the middle of the night screaming," said Fadel. "We try to comfort him, but he's getting worse and worse."
The Palestinian Authority highlighted the case of the two Muhtaseb brothers, saying Israel was breaching international law and has recently seemed to take a stronger stance against the more routine challenges of the occupation, including the effect of the West Bank barrier. Israeli security forces have warned of a broader crackdown if the protests escalate.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... ted-israel
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
not in israel it isn't ... :(
The soldier in the pic had no business being any where near the detainees.
Charges are being brought up against her and like I posted earlier, I hope she goes to jail.
Like I wrote above, they were still being transported.
2010: 9/7/10 - Bilbao
2012: 26-27/6/12 - Amsterdam ~~ 29/6/12 - Werchter ~~ 4-5/7/12 - Berlin
2014: 25/6/14 - Vienna ~~ 26/6/14 - Berlin
In regards to the moral issue at hand . . . the girl is an idiot and did something foolish. Her punishment has already been executed . . . scorn, anger, and public judgement from all over the world has been showered down upon her.
However, on the "outrage" scale, this ranks about a 1.5 while the flotilla ranks a 10.
my buddy is on a list because his name matches someone of interest but nothing else matches ... in any case - every time we cross over, he is detained ... i can't imagine he or anyone in general taking too kindly to being blindfolded and handcuffed while they sort it out ...
it's usually about 20 mins ... based on our 6:30 am crossings to catch a flight from buffalo ... i'm lucky in that i'm usually in another car so we just go right thru ...