There are reasons behind everything, and most of the time it's more than just a bunch of bloodthirsty savage Americans looking to kill people.
well, i guess when the US is fighting two wars and funding the illegal and brutal occupation of another, has the largest military budget in the world, more than the rest of the world combined and uses it without mercy, and is the only Country to ever use nucleur weapons against another, you might need to excuse the people who think you are a little bloodthirsty.
Trying to say the Japanese would never ever surrender is just ignorant.
I'm not sure how this is ignorant. This is the truth. Look at the Pacific War as a whole and see how the Japanese acted in Saipan, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinowa and the Philipines. Many high ranking Japanese commanders comitted ritual suicide rather than be captured. Look at the 100's of Kamakaze pilots who willing took their own life in defense of their homeland. Japan had no plans to give up.
Operation Downfall would have cost the Japanese population many more casulties than the nukes did. Truman knew what was in store once they invaded the main island and he wasn't sure that the American public could stomach another year of brutal fighting. The invasion would have lasted into late 1946.
I am in no way saying that they "got what they deserved" but there are numerous instances that point to the fact that Japan was not going to roll over and play dead when it came to the defense of their homeland.
Trying to say the Japanese would never ever surrender is just ignorant.
I'm not sure how this is ignorant. This is the truth. Look at the Pacific War as a whole and see how the Japanese acted in Saipan, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinowa and the Philipines. Many high ranking Japanese commanders comitted ritual suicide rather than be captured. Look at the 100's of Kamakaze pilots who willing took their own life in defense of their homeland. Japan had no plans to give up.
Operation Downfall would have cost the Japanese population many more casulties than the nukes did. Truman knew what was in store once they invaded the main island and he wasn't sure that the American public could stomach another year of brutal fighting. The invasion would have lasted into late 1946.
I am in no way saying that they "got what they deserved" but there are numerous instances that point to the fact that Japan was not going to roll over and play dead when it came to the defense of their homeland.
I never said it wasn't the truth. It is ignorant becuase of the context it was used in. It is ignorant becuase he portrayed it as only the mindset of the Japanese, I was pointing out it would be the mindset of every country. It is ignorant because he used to it further his point matter of factly like no other country would stoop to that. When faced with the threat of war, no country would just "roll over and play dead when it comes to the defense of their homeland"
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I never said it wasn't the truth. It is ignorant becuase of the context it was used in. It is ignorant becuase he portrayed it as only the mindset of the Japanese, I was pointing out it would be the mindset of every country. It is ignorant because he used to it further his point matter of factly like no other country would stoop to that. When faced with the threat of war, no country would just "roll over and play dead when it comes to the defense of their homeland"
Understood. My thinking was that it was the Japanese mindset throughout the whole war and that included territories that they themselves had invaded and were not their homeland.
In my opinion, I'm a little bit more disturbed that an Emperor would tell his people (civilians and troops) to commit suicide rather than surrender. Brainwashing the people into thinking that the Americans would kill them and eat them is pretty reprehensible.
Some of you need to spend a little more time studying your history. Japan was ready to fight to the death, down to the last man, woman and child if necessary. They had no intention of surrender...EVER! Yes, some of their military leaders were concerned about their ability to continue to wage war, but surrender was not an option.
This is not only a lie, but a contradiction. On one hand, you say the nuclear bombs were necessary because Japan was never going to surrender, even "down to the last man, woman, and child if necessary." on the other hand, you say nuclear bombs brought about the Japanese surrender because the destruction and slaughter was too much. so which is it? they were going to fight to the last man, woman, and child, or only until a big defeat?
If you knew anything about their culture, and their commitment to their Emperor, you would know that simple fact.
their culture? is that enough to wage wars on people, our perception of their culture? yes, you may be speaking from your large exposure to Japanese culture, which probably involved you watching Tom Cruise in The Last Samurai for 2.5 hours, which shows that Japanese culture invokes the notion of no surrender, but that doesn't mean they are willing to sacrifice their women and children.
seeing as how we weren't willing to abandon our onslaught of a million iraqis, i wonder how americans would feel if Iraq had retaliated by nuking a U.S. city. probably in a hypocritical way, no doubt.
What is the lie?
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I never said it wasn't the truth. It is ignorant becuase of the context it was used in. It is ignorant becuase he portrayed it as only the mindset of the Japanese, I was pointing out it would be the mindset of every country. It is ignorant because he used to it further his point matter of factly like no other country would stoop to that. When faced with the threat of war, no country would just "roll over and play dead when it comes to the defense of their homeland"
Understood. My thinking was that it was the Japanese mindset throughout the whole war and that included territories that they themselves had invaded and were not their homeland.
In my opinion, I'm a little bit more disturbed that an Emperor would tell his people (civilians and troops) to commit suicide rather than surrender. Brainwashing the people into thinking that the Americans would kill them and eat them is pretty reprehensible.
It is, the Kamikaze Fighters are a pretty scary thought, and still used as a tool of war now. Also, Japan wasn't the first, or the last country, to use Propangdha as tool to perpetuate fear.
Well I started this thread and will be messaging the forrum heads to shut it down.
My thread was about celebrating moving forward. Not reahashing hatreds.
If you want to continue to hate others because of whe\at those before us did
GO TO PLACE LIKE ISREAL/PALESTINE, Ugoslavia before it fell apart.
CHRIST PEOPLE
STOP HATING . what in the end does it acheive
ITs fucking nothing but stupid to hate sombody for what there granparents did. just completely stupid.
BUT SO MANY CLING TO IT
DOES IT KEEP YOU WARM, make you happy.
In Hiroshima Families were incinerated. Mothers , children fathers, uncles and aunts.
This also happened at the world trade centres . and its so so sad, tragic.
it took 65 years for the nation responsable for Hiroshima/ nagasaki to come and stand- to mourn.
it took 65 years to finally overcome the guilt of that.
but they did and im proud of that, always will be
A grudge to me is somewhere I park my car (grudge garage get it)
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes, yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be for America to stand alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be so much better if America stood alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
celebrate peace or feed anger and hatred
you decide
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be so much better if America stood alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
celebrate peace or feed anger and hatred
you decide
there is no anger or hatred in my post. just stating facts. the two don't always have to be connected you know.
just an open mind for a different view. that's all.
ITs fucking nothing but stupid to hate sombody for what there granparents did. just completely stupid.
BUT SO MANY CLING TO IT
DOES IT KEEP YOU WARM, make you happy.
I don't see any hate in here, just opinions on why we should not apologize...
Also to your quote, your right so why should we apologize for something that someone else did? No of us had anything to do with it, why would i apologize for it?
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes, yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be for America to stand alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
Only someone in La-La land would actualy think that america could get rid of all it's nukes. Like the rest of the planet is going to follow suit. You really believe that counties like N. Korea and Iran would give a shit if we were nuke free? I know you have a vision of everyone on earth dancing in the prairie fields but i'm sorry.....it's never going to happen.
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes, yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be for America to stand alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
Only someone in La-La land would actualy think that america could get rid of all it's nukes. Like the rest of the planet is going to follow suit. You really believe that counties like N. Korea and Iran would give a shit if we were nuke free? I know you have a vision of everyone on earth dancing in the prairie fields but i'm sorry.....it's never going to happen.
but you know what?? sometimes its about whats right. and being nuclear armed is not right. what other countries do or what other countries think shouldnt come into the equation. its about what you as a country or as an individual can live with and how you justify that, if you feel that need. i believe that annihilation is deterrant enough. call me naive or idealistic if you want.. but i will never be of the opinion that mankind will, if given an alternative, which choice does gives him, choose to use nuclear weapons. the price is just too high.
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And what about the reverse? What does it matter who do what to whom? The fact is these weapons are terrible for the world, no matter who holds them.. .so let's get rid of them before they get used. That's the point.
If Iran was responsible for a nuclear bomb in NY, and 3 million were killed, what would be your reply?
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OK, I'll revise.
If your home country was attacked by another with a nuclear weapon where 3 million + were killed, what should be your home country's response?
I'm not really sure to be honest. Life isn't as simple as it once was. In WW2 we had definitive nations as enemies, nowadays, it's more mishmash of factions and groups (terrorists, extremists and fanatics). Some represent nations, others hold no boundaries, so a simplistic response like saying "bomb them back" doesn't really hold the same meaning. Also, even if we wanted to go through to logistics of such an example, what good would killing 3 million of the enemy really prove? Seems like an action out of spite, anger and vengeance compared to a legitimate response.
If your home country was attacked by another with a nuclear weapon where 3 million + were killed, what should be your home country's response?
By response I mean action.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
ITs fucking nothing but stupid to hate sombody for what there granparents did. just completely stupid.
BUT SO MANY CLING TO IT
DOES IT KEEP YOU WARM, make you happy.
I don't see any hate in here, just opinions on why we should not apologize...
Also to your quote, your right so why should we apologize for something that someone else did? No of us had anything to do with it, why would i apologize for it?
nobody has asked for apology
just was happy that an american representative attended after 65 years
I dont expect you to feel guilt
but I just wished people would stop the hate.
If your home country was attacked by another with a nuclear weapon where 3 million + were killed, what should be your home country's response?
By response I mean action.
no lets bring it down to your and my terms
what if a country invaded you own nation for reasons that later were found to be false. on the very first bombing raid ( THEY CALLED IT SHOCK AND AWE) your beautiful daughter was ripped to shreds from a bomb.
what would your response be. would you take up arms.
this is what suprises me .
do you see, do you understand.
Your nation feels the need to retaliate . your asking what that retaliation would be.
but you do not understand when individuals do it in Iraq. you call them terrorists.
you do understand that when you start a thread, it's an invite for other people to contribute to the thread, and the reality is that sometimes not everyone is going to agree with you.
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes, yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be for America to stand alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
Only someone in La-La land would actualy think that america could get rid of all it's nukes. Like the rest of the planet is going to follow suit. You really believe that counties like N. Korea and Iran would give a shit if we were nuke free? I know you have a vision of everyone on earth dancing in the prairie fields but i'm sorry.....it's never going to happen.
no nation’s security justifies the retention of such a weapon, let alone its use. it's always about the 'fear' with America. You guys are scared of your own shadow. having nucleur weapons doesn't make you 'safer'.
let me ask you a question. could you ever press the button?
If Iran was responsible for a nuclear bomb in NY, and 3 million were killed, what would be your reply?
the fact that you chose Iran in your hypothetical scenario, tells me that the American propoganda machine is alive and well.
not that i didn't know that already.
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Yes because that government is so innocent.
Substitute North Korea, or is that propaganda too?
Let's say England if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter.
What would be your response if YOU were the President and your country was attacked. How would you feel if Israel nuked Palestine? Although admittedly that would destroy more than both.
Substitute North Korea, or is that propaganda too?
Let's say England if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter.
What would be your response if YOU were the President and your country was attacked. How would you feel if Israel nuked Palestine? Although admittedly that would destroy more than both.
how would i feel? i feel pretty sad every day when i think about what is happening to the Palestinians.
nuking palestine is about the only thing that israel hasn't done to them.
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I'm not sure how this is ignorant. This is the truth. Look at the Pacific War as a whole and see how the Japanese acted in Saipan, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinowa and the Philipines. Many high ranking Japanese commanders comitted ritual suicide rather than be captured. Look at the 100's of Kamakaze pilots who willing took their own life in defense of their homeland. Japan had no plans to give up.
Operation Downfall would have cost the Japanese population many more casulties than the nukes did. Truman knew what was in store once they invaded the main island and he wasn't sure that the American public could stomach another year of brutal fighting. The invasion would have lasted into late 1946.
I am in no way saying that they "got what they deserved" but there are numerous instances that point to the fact that Japan was not going to roll over and play dead when it came to the defense of their homeland.
I never said it wasn't the truth. It is ignorant becuase of the context it was used in. It is ignorant becuase he portrayed it as only the mindset of the Japanese, I was pointing out it would be the mindset of every country. It is ignorant because he used to it further his point matter of factly like no other country would stoop to that. When faced with the threat of war, no country would just "roll over and play dead when it comes to the defense of their homeland"
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Understood. My thinking was that it was the Japanese mindset throughout the whole war and that included territories that they themselves had invaded and were not their homeland.
In my opinion, I'm a little bit more disturbed that an Emperor would tell his people (civilians and troops) to commit suicide rather than surrender. Brainwashing the people into thinking that the Americans would kill them and eat them is pretty reprehensible.
What is the lie?
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It is, the Kamikaze Fighters are a pretty scary thought, and still used as a tool of war now. Also, Japan wasn't the first, or the last country, to use Propangdha as tool to perpetuate fear.
This was the US response. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15S69jqvDw
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My thread was about celebrating moving forward. Not reahashing hatreds.
If you want to continue to hate others because of whe\at those before us did
GO TO PLACE LIKE ISREAL/PALESTINE, Ugoslavia before it fell apart.
CHRIST PEOPLE
STOP HATING . what in the end does it acheive
ITs fucking nothing but stupid to hate sombody for what there granparents did. just completely stupid.
BUT SO MANY CLING TO IT
DOES IT KEEP YOU WARM, make you happy.
In Hiroshima Families were incinerated. Mothers , children fathers, uncles and aunts.
This also happened at the world trade centres . and its so so sad, tragic.
it took 65 years for the nation responsable for Hiroshima/ nagasaki to come and stand- to mourn.
it took 65 years to finally overcome the guilt of that.
but they did and im proud of that, always will be
A grudge to me is somewhere I park my car (grudge garage get it)
the points i raised were that it's taken 65 years for this to happen. President Obama talks so much of his push to rid the world of nucleur weapons and yet the US still thinks they can dictate to everyone who can and can't have them. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. America and Russia have 22,000 between them.
so i understand that you might want to pat the US on the back for finally sending a representative to the rememberance ceremony. you say it's a start, but what is it a start to?
the irony is Japan has no nukes, yet the Country that Nuked them has so many it's a wonder they can even keep track of them.
wouldn't a real show of solidarity at one of the rememberance ceremonies be for America to stand alongside Japan nucleur free?
you can't expect people who feel strongly about this to not say how they feel about it. that's the whole point of debating with someone. we won't always agree.
you decide
just an open mind for a different view. that's all.
Also to your quote, your right so why should we apologize for something that someone else did? No of us had anything to do with it, why would i apologize for it?
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Only someone in La-La land would actualy think that america could get rid of all it's nukes. Like the rest of the planet is going to follow suit. You really believe that counties like N. Korea and Iran would give a shit if we were nuke free? I know you have a vision of everyone on earth dancing in the prairie fields but i'm sorry.....it's never going to happen.
but you know what?? sometimes its about whats right. and being nuclear armed is not right. what other countries do or what other countries think shouldnt come into the equation. its about what you as a country or as an individual can live with and how you justify that, if you feel that need. i believe that annihilation is deterrant enough. call me naive or idealistic if you want.. but i will never be of the opinion that mankind will, if given an alternative, which choice does gives him, choose to use nuclear weapons. the price is just too high.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
If Iran was responsible for a nuclear bomb in NY, and 3 million were killed, what would be your reply?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If your home country was attacked by another with a nuclear weapon where 3 million + were killed, what should be your home country's response?
By response I mean action.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
just was happy that an american representative attended after 65 years
I dont expect you to feel guilt
but I just wished people would stop the hate.
no lets bring it down to your and my terms
what if a country invaded you own nation for reasons that later were found to be false. on the very first bombing raid ( THEY CALLED IT SHOCK AND AWE) your beautiful daughter was ripped to shreds from a bomb.
what would your response be. would you take up arms.
this is what suprises me .
do you see, do you understand.
Your nation feels the need to retaliate . your asking what that retaliation would be.
but you do not understand when individuals do it in Iraq. you call them terrorists.
glad you find me so amusing.
i cant help but wonder the reasoning behind the acquiring of nuclear weapons from the countries that have them. perhaps you can enlighten me.
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i would weep for the lives lost and all mankind. but id be more interested in washingtons reply.
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no nation’s security justifies the retention of such a weapon, let alone its use. it's always about the 'fear' with America. You guys are scared of your own shadow. having nucleur weapons doesn't make you 'safer'.
let me ask you a question. could you ever press the button?
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not that i didn't know that already.
Substitute North Korea, or is that propaganda too?
Let's say England if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter.
What would be your response if YOU were the President and your country was attacked. How would you feel if Israel nuked Palestine? Although admittedly that would destroy more than both.
nuking palestine is about the only thing that israel hasn't done to them.