WELL DONE USA

ONCE DEVIDED
ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
edited August 2010 in A Moving Train
Gotta say a well done to the Obama administration. For the first time in 65 years an American representitive has attended the Hiroshima rememberance day activities In Hiroshima.
Thats a big step forward .
Hat off to the USA

dosnt happen that often, but credit where its due
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2010
    and 65 years on, the US remains the only country in the wold that has committed the crime of inflicting nuclear devastation on a nation not just once, but twice.

    and they still think they have the right to dictate who can and can not have nukes. just because after 65 years, they finally decide to send a representative to the memorial day, doesn't warrant a pat on the back in my eyes.

    now if Obama's push to rid the world of nuclear weapons, included our OWN, well then that's a different story.
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  • Sidnum
    Sidnum Posts: 674
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just because after 65 years, they finally decide to send a representative to the memorial day, doesn't warrant a pat on the back in my eyes.


    It's a start. Gotta start somewhere.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Sidnum wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just because after 65 years, they finally decide to send a representative to the memorial day, doesn't warrant a pat on the back in my eyes.


    It's a start. Gotta start somewhere.
    a start to what? show me a committment to the fact it will never happen again. the global nuclear weapons stockpile is estimated to amount to about 150,000 Hiroshima bombs. Japan doesn't have any. the US and Russia have 22,000 between them.

    get rid of all those nucleur weapons. that includes you too France, Britain, China, India, Pakistan and Israel.

    that's what i'd call a start.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ceremonies and speeches mean very little if they're not followed by action. Why get so congratulatory over a song and pony show?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Has Japan ever apologized for Pearl Harbor?
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Not exactly the same sentiment. Pearl Harbor was a military base, the US bombed 2 major cities killing hundreds of thousands of innocents. Not getting into whether it was the right decision or not, but to compare to two is not the same.
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    Has Japan ever apologized for Pearl Harbor?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    you gotta start the healing somewhere.
    The healing on both sides. bad and evil decisions were made by all.
    I feel that its a sign towards healing. IF you are full of hate and bitterness, you will never heal yourself.
    Things were done , they cannot be undone now.
    But we can heal now, loose the hate . loose the bitterness
    It takes somebody to stand up.
    after 65 years sonebody stood up, made a start.
    THATS CALLED HOPE
    hope for peace
    hope for a world free of nuclear weapons
    hope for nations/ states who hold grudges with others can move forward.
    it just need a start
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.





    Russia was getting involved. It was over for Japan.


    Dropping two atomic weapons on largely civilian populations was simply mass murder, not warfare.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    The Apology Tour continues.

    An unprovoked attack is ok because it was a military base? Hilarious.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Commy wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.





    Russia was getting involved. It was over for Japan.


    Dropping two atomic weapons on largely civilian populations was simply mass murder, not warfare.
    Sounds like you need to do a little research on those two areas.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.
    :roll:
    The people of the country don't start brutal and devastating fights.
    The idiots in power do...

    Nice compassion.
    Two entire cities were annihilated, and a lot of innocent people were blown to dust and charcoal skeletons.
    I hope no body will ever have to see the things my grandfather saw picking up those bodies.

    PS, you disgust me. I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you're comment is fucking ignorant.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    haffajappa wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.
    :roll:
    The people of the country don't start brutal and devastating fights.
    The idiots in power do...

    Nice compassion.
    Two entire cities were annihilated, and a lot of innocent people were blown to dust and charcoal skeletons.
    I hope no body will ever have to see the things my grandfather saw picking up those bodies.

    PS, you disgust me. I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you're comment is fucking ignorant.
    Bombing those cities saved millions of americans lives. And japan is far better off now that we did that. I tell you what disgust me, the way japan treated its own people during ww2. Look up unit 731. They did far worse things than the nazis.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yes it ended the war quickly and saved US soliders, but let's not lose our heads. Japan is better for it? Really? Did you actually just say that? I suppose America is better off post 9-11 cause only 2,000 people had to die for us to get an infusion of patriotism? haha Nice head.
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Bombing those cities saved millions of americans lives. And japan is far better off now that we did that. I tell you what disgust me, the way japan treated its own people during ww2. Look up unit 731. They did far worse things than the nazis.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Bombing those cities saved millions of americans lives. And japan is far better off now that we did that.
    Jesus christ, are you serious? there is ample evidence, well documented reports proving Japan was going to surrender and that the dropping of the nuclear bombs were absolutely unnecessary. there is also plenty of evidence that shows that the attack on pearl harbor was provoked, the US was itching to go to war.

    read a fucking book people! the ignorance on here continues to astound me. it's fucking 2010, no excuses for this shit anymore.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    HeidiJam wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.
    :roll:
    The people of the country don't start brutal and devastating fights.
    The idiots in power do...

    Nice compassion.
    Two entire cities were annihilated, and a lot of innocent people were blown to dust and charcoal skeletons.
    I hope no body will ever have to see the things my grandfather saw picking up those bodies.

    PS, you disgust me. I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you're comment is fucking ignorant.
    Bombing those cities saved millions of americans lives.
    care to elighten me with how bombing them saved millions of American lives?

    "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima
    and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.
    The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the
    first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the
    barbarians of the Dark Ages."
    ---Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
    Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    _outlaw wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Bombing those cities saved millions of americans lives. And japan is far better off now that we did that.
    Jesus christ, are you serious? there is ample evidence, well documented reports proving Japan was going to surrender and that the dropping of the nuclear bombs were absolutely unnecessary. there is also plenty of evidence that shows that the attack on pearl harbor was provoked, the US was itching to go to war.

    read a fucking book people! the ignorance on here continues to astound me. it's fucking 2010, no excuses for this shit anymore.
    there is plenty of documented evidence showing the use of nucleur bombs was completely unnecessary.

    Americans of all people should know this. Why don't some of you? I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children......

    unbelievable.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    When someone else starts a brutal and devastating fight, you don't apologize for ending it on your own terms.





    Russia was getting involved. It was over for Japan.


    Dropping two atomic weapons on largely civilian populations was simply mass murder, not warfare.
    Sounds like you need to do a little research on those two areas.


    i know my history. as for you...



    The US strategic bombing survey is a good place to start educating yourself. its an official review of the effectiveness of US air forces in ww2. and yes they cover the need to drop nukes on innocent people.


    And Russia was at war with Japan in 1945, this is common knowledge.
  • Digital Twilight
    Digital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... exhibition


    There are some really shocking and ignorant comments in this thread!
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Some of you need to spend a little more time studying your history. Japan was ready to fight to the death, down to the last man, woman and child if necessary. They had no intention of surrender...EVER! Yes, some of their military leaders were concerned about their ability to continue to wage war, but surrender was not an option. If you knew anything about their culture, and their commitment to their Emperor, you would know that simple fact. Here are some other facts you may have overlooked....before any bombs were dropped the Potsdam Declaration was issued to Japan. This basically said, surrender now or face total destruction, or something to that effect. This was signed by the US, Britain, and I believe China.

    Nearly 30 million leaflets were dropped on the cities of Japan for about 9 days, warning of total destruction if they didn't surrender. The Japanese simply ignored the warnings and continued waging their war against the allies. Only after continual warnings and demands for surrender were given did the US drop the bomb on Hiroshima. Hiroshima housed a high concentration of military troops, a base and large military factories, and it was also one of the only cities that hadn't been damaged by air raids.

    I find it a testament to the belief our military leaders held at the time that the Japanese would not have surrendered, by the mere fact that they still did not surrender even after Hiroshima. Further calls on them to surrender August 6th, 7th and 8th were completely ignored. It has been theorized that the Japanese leaders felt that the US had used all it had, and they wouldn't drop another one. So when the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, it showed that the US would completely obliterate them until they surrendered. However, even after all of this, they still would not surrender unless their Emperor would be allowed to remain as a head of state. It was only after the allies accepted this condition that Japan truly surrendered.

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