WELL DONE USA
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Gotta say a well done to the Obama administration. For the first time in 65 years an American representitive has attended the Hiroshima rememberance day activities In Hiroshima.
Thats a big step forward .
Hat off to the USA
dosnt happen that often, but credit where its due
Thats a big step forward .
Hat off to the USA
dosnt happen that often, but credit where its due
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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and they still think they have the right to dictate who can and can not have nukes. just because after 65 years, they finally decide to send a representative to the memorial day, doesn't warrant a pat on the back in my eyes.
now if Obama's push to rid the world of nuclear weapons, included our OWN, well then that's a different story.
It's a start. Gotta start somewhere.
get rid of all those nucleur weapons. that includes you too France, Britain, China, India, Pakistan and Israel.
that's what i'd call a start.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The healing on both sides. bad and evil decisions were made by all.
I feel that its a sign towards healing. IF you are full of hate and bitterness, you will never heal yourself.
Things were done , they cannot be undone now.
But we can heal now, loose the hate . loose the bitterness
It takes somebody to stand up.
after 65 years sonebody stood up, made a start.
THATS CALLED HOPE
hope for peace
hope for a world free of nuclear weapons
hope for nations/ states who hold grudges with others can move forward.
it just need a start
Russia was getting involved. It was over for Japan.
Dropping two atomic weapons on largely civilian populations was simply mass murder, not warfare.
An unprovoked attack is ok because it was a military base? Hilarious.
The people of the country don't start brutal and devastating fights.
The idiots in power do...
Nice compassion.
Two entire cities were annihilated, and a lot of innocent people were blown to dust and charcoal skeletons.
I hope no body will ever have to see the things my grandfather saw picking up those bodies.
PS, you disgust me. I don't care if I get banned for saying this, but you're comment is fucking ignorant.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
read a fucking book people! the ignorance on here continues to astound me. it's fucking 2010, no excuses for this shit anymore.
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.
The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the
first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the
barbarians of the Dark Ages."
---Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
Americans of all people should know this. Why don't some of you? I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children......
unbelievable.
i know my history. as for you...
The US strategic bombing survey is a good place to start educating yourself. its an official review of the effectiveness of US air forces in ww2. and yes they cover the need to drop nukes on innocent people.
And Russia was at war with Japan in 1945, this is common knowledge.
There are some really shocking and ignorant comments in this thread!
Nearly 30 million leaflets were dropped on the cities of Japan for about 9 days, warning of total destruction if they didn't surrender. The Japanese simply ignored the warnings and continued waging their war against the allies. Only after continual warnings and demands for surrender were given did the US drop the bomb on Hiroshima. Hiroshima housed a high concentration of military troops, a base and large military factories, and it was also one of the only cities that hadn't been damaged by air raids.
I find it a testament to the belief our military leaders held at the time that the Japanese would not have surrendered, by the mere fact that they still did not surrender even after Hiroshima. Further calls on them to surrender August 6th, 7th and 8th were completely ignored. It has been theorized that the Japanese leaders felt that the US had used all it had, and they wouldn't drop another one. So when the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, it showed that the US would completely obliterate them until they surrendered. However, even after all of this, they still would not surrender unless their Emperor would be allowed to remain as a head of state. It was only after the allies accepted this condition that Japan truly surrendered.
I agree with the bolded part.
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The Taliban will never surrender. Does that justify dropping a nuke on a section of the middle east that houses insurgency fighters and trains suicide bombers? NO, you know what justifies dropping a nuke on someone? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The reasons you are trying to use to justify nuclear attacks is comical.
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Taking innocent lives is wrong on all parts, but you can't paint the U.S. as evil. Humans have the built in gene to war with each other. It's part of our natural selection. It's population control. One lost life, thousands of lost lives, our time on this planet is short either way you look at it.
I would not support a nuke on anyone, but you really can't pin point the blame on anyone other than mankind. What's done is done. Move on and learn from it.
Nice try, but I wasn't justifying anything. There are reasons behind everything, and most of the time it's more than just a bunch of bloodthirsty savage Americans looking to kill people. People fail to read and comprehend their history, and not just the history we sugar coat for ourselves, but what is written from the perspective of other societies about us. The ignorance here is appalling at times. Some people think we just woke up one morning and thought it would be neat to drop a fucking nuke. :roll:
My point was you can't justify saying people had it coming to them because their government/military started/participated in a war! Would you just shrug and call it history if someone nuked New York because of the wars that presidents start? Oh well I guess they had it coming because they are responsible for what a handful of idiots decide on in office.
You were trying to justify it, without actually having the balls to come and say it. If you read between the lines of what you wrote, you totally support what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Its quite obvious. Trying to say the Japanese would never ever surrender is just ignorant. What if Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq had the combined military weight the US does, and they decided to actually come over to the US and wage war on your soil, would you expect your leaders and people to just surrender? No? So why was it so evil of the Japanese to not believe in surrender? No matter the odds. Regardless of Hiroshima and Nagaskai being Military outposts, the US in response to an attack on a military naval base (Pearl Harbour) dropped bombs on Tokyo in March 1945, killing over 100, 000 civilians. The intent was to have the city burn and kill as many civilians as possible. How do you justify that? You don't think the message wasn't sent. 65 years later after the atomic bombing in Japan people are still dying from the fallout, radiation in the soil etc. Those people have nothing to do with the conflict.
http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/WalendySkull.jpg
This photo ran in life magazine, a US model was sent a Japanese skull by her naval boyfriend. On the skull he wrote a Good Jap, a Dead one.
History is written by the winners.
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This story came out this morning about the National Museum of Nuclear Science and History. Seemed relevant to this conversation. I think I'll go check out the museum; it's only a mile from my house. NM is home to all kinds of nuclear science activity - historically and today - and it's a big source of controversy. It's interesting to see the different attitudes portrayed in the article though.
That museum is featured prominently in the 2nd season of the TV series "Breaking Bad"
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seeing as how we weren't willing to abandon our onslaught of a million iraqis, i wonder how americans would feel if Iraq had retaliated by nuking a U.S. city. probably in a hypocritical way, no doubt.