No I don't mistake my own happiness with the wellbeing of others around me (home or abroad). I am perfectly comfortable and happy in my life yet recognize the world is a f'ed up place which I personally do not see getting any better no matter happy individual human interest stories you care to post. In my opinion, that's no different from sticking your head in the sand cause you're misplacing your own happiness while not recognizing what others go through or have to deal with. Perhaps you're being naive and narrow in your view which is why you call it a "choice", but I just project what I see around, not solely how'd I like everyone to feel. You know the saying about crapping in one hand and wishing in the other to see which fills up first. But hey.. I'm sure you're bday is nearing, enjoy your wish.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
No I don't mistake my own happiness with the wellbeing of others around me (home or abroad). I am perfectly comfortable and happy in my life yet recognize the world is a f'ed up place which I personally do not see getting any better no matter happy individual human interest stories you care to post. In my opinion, that's no different from sticking your head in the sand cause you're misplacing your own happiness while not recognizing what others go through or have to deal with. Perhaps you're being naive and narrow in your view which is why you call it a "choice", but I just project what I see around, not solely how'd I like everyone to feel. You know the saying about crapping in one hand and wishing in the other to see which fills up first. But hey.. I'm sure you're bday is nearing, enjoy your wish.
I understand what you say they said, but do you not feel that limiting the political idea because of where it comes from is an infringement on the 1st regardless of what you think they said? They said it was ok for corporations to participate on a larger scale (they already did you know) because placing limits on the speech associated with whatever donation was given was unconstitutional as it wasn't shown to or didn't pose a clear and present danger like yelling fire in a crowded theater...
Ron Paul says this among other things... Campaign finance laws will not make politicians more ethical, but they will make it harder for average Americans to influence Washington.
and ...If the Senator and so many others in Congress believe so strongly in campaign finance reform, why is money in politics such a big problem? In other words, why don't these politicians simply put their money where their mouth is, act with integrity, and do a better job of policing their own campaigns?
I agree with him that a big problem exists. Special interest money has a huge influence in Washington, and it has a tremendous effect on both foreign and domestic policy. Yet we ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and interest groups are willing to give politicians millions of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the stakes are so high. They know government controls virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives, and that they must influence government to protect their interests. Our federal government, which was intended to operate as a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when countless special interests fight for the money. The only true solution to the campaign money problem is a return to a proper constitutional government that does not control the economy. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.
I hadn't even really looked into campaign finance reform policy from Paul before, but I could have told you this was what he was going to say...I love that guy
hell no i don't ... limiting campaign finance does not limit free speech ... corporations can put ads right now all they want touting that they are pro-life ... or want to bomb iran ... but they don't because they prefer to have their henchmen do it for them ...
it's really a chicken and egg argument here ... you think that the expanse of gov't has made it that corporations must be more influential whereas i believe the expanse of gov't is the direct result of corporations wanting more influence ...
You are making a choice instead of calling a spade a spade... so yes, that is naive and narrow. This entire thread has substance, facts and details why this is a perfectly rational, logical and practical belief.. not just pessimist for the sake of it as you pass it off to be because you disagree.
Secondly, you misappropriately say I'm pessimistic. I love my life but recognize the world is full of a ton of problems and our nation is headed south. If I were a pessimist as you claim, I would not love my life or enjoy anything.
Lastly, you fail to recognize the individual experience of one does not equate to the overall group experience. This is like saying, I ate 3 meals today, I guess everyone else in the nation or world did as well. False assumption.
Anyways, have fun finding a rainbow or catching a star, I'm sure it will save the world.
happy birthday to you, too...or should I say "so much is wrong with the world how can anyone have a happy birthday to you, and many mooooooore"
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I understand what you say they said, but do you not feel that limiting the political idea because of where it comes from is an infringement on the 1st regardless of what you think they said? They said it was ok for corporations to participate on a larger scale (they already did you know) because placing limits on the speech associated with whatever donation was given was unconstitutional as it wasn't shown to or didn't pose a clear and present danger like yelling fire in a crowded theater...
Ron Paul says this among other things... Campaign finance laws will not make politicians more ethical, but they will make it harder for average Americans to influence Washington.
and ...If the Senator and so many others in Congress believe so strongly in campaign finance reform, why is money in politics such a big problem? In other words, why don't these politicians simply put their money where their mouth is, act with integrity, and do a better job of policing their own campaigns?
I agree with him that a big problem exists. Special interest money has a huge influence in Washington, and it has a tremendous effect on both foreign and domestic policy. Yet we ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and interest groups are willing to give politicians millions of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the stakes are so high. They know government controls virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives, and that they must influence government to protect their interests. Our federal government, which was intended to operate as a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when countless special interests fight for the money. The only true solution to the campaign money problem is a return to a proper constitutional government that does not control the economy. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.
I hadn't even really looked into campaign finance reform policy from Paul before, but I could have told you this was what he was going to say...I love that guy
hell no i don't ... limiting campaign finance does not limit free speech ... corporations can put ads right now all they want touting that they are pro-life ... or want to bomb iran ... but they don't because they prefer to have their henchmen do it for them ...
it's really a chicken and egg argument here ... you think that the expanse of gov't has made it that corporations must be more influential whereas i believe the expanse of gov't is the direct result of corporations wanting more influence ...
CORRECT....both of those things can be solved by a limited federal gov't...
right, but you need to realize that I have yet to see any of those ads...and if a corporation is giving to people in the political arena that you don't support...don't support them with your dollars...
But you want their speech limited because you do not like the source. That is an ok position to take...if we are going to stay a behemoth of a gov't I am inclined to agree...but it won't stop special interests and it won't stop those who claim to be for reform from taking that money...
As Paul put it...no one would buy the vote if it wasn't for sale in the first place...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think both of you fail to leave out the key point that no matter how you set it up, without the citizens holding up their end of a participatory democracy, ultimately it will always fall back into the same pattern of government and business hand in hand for their own benefit.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I think both of you fail to leave out the key point that no matter how you set it up, without the citizens holding up their end of a participatory democracy, ultimately it will always fall back into the same pattern of government and business hand in hand for their own benefit.
If I failed to leave it out I put it in there :P
You are right.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I think both of you fail to leave out the key point that no matter how you set it up, without the citizens holding up their end of a participatory democracy, ultimately it will always fall back into the same pattern of government and business hand in hand for their own benefit.
If I failed to leave it out I put it in there :P
You are right.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I think both of you fail to leave out the key point that no matter how you set it up, without the citizens holding up their end of a participatory democracy, ultimately it will always fall back into the same pattern of government and business hand in hand for their own benefit.
You are making a choice instead of calling a spade a spade... so yes, that is naive and narrow. This entire thread has substance, facts and details why this is a perfectly rational, logical and practical belief.. not just pessimist for the sake of it as you pass it off to be because you disagree.
Secondly, you misappropriately say I'm pessimistic. I love my life but recognize the world is full of a ton of problems and our nation is headed south. If I were a pessimist as you claim, I would not love my life or enjoy anything.
Lastly, you fail to recognize the individual experience of one does not equate to the overall group experience. This is like saying, I ate 3 meals today, I guess everyone else in the nation or world did as well. False assumption.
Anyways, have fun finding a rainbow or catching a star, I'm sure it will save the world.
happy birthday to you, too...or should I say "so much is wrong with the world how can anyone have a happy birthday to you, and many mooooooore"
I think your being obtuse here...that's fine...
I wonder, how is making a choice about which spade I will worry about being naive and narrow...? you don't make choices throughout your day...? if not, how do you function...?
you can choose to answer this post or not....but that may mean you're narrow...and the world may not be able to handle that...
I think both of you fail to leave out the key point that no matter how you set it up, without the citizens holding up their end of a participatory democracy, ultimately it will always fall back into the same pattern of government and business hand in hand for their own benefit.
If I failed to leave it out I put it in there :P
You are right.
not sure what more you needed than "you are right"
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
yeah, making choices is naive and narrow...
happy birthday to you, too...or should I say "so much is wrong with the world how can anyone have a happy birthday to you, and many mooooooore"
hell no i don't ... limiting campaign finance does not limit free speech ... corporations can put ads right now all they want touting that they are pro-life ... or want to bomb iran ... but they don't because they prefer to have their henchmen do it for them ...
it's really a chicken and egg argument here ... you think that the expanse of gov't has made it that corporations must be more influential whereas i believe the expanse of gov't is the direct result of corporations wanting more influence ...
Secondly, you misappropriately say I'm pessimistic. I love my life but recognize the world is full of a ton of problems and our nation is headed south. If I were a pessimist as you claim, I would not love my life or enjoy anything.
Lastly, you fail to recognize the individual experience of one does not equate to the overall group experience. This is like saying, I ate 3 meals today, I guess everyone else in the nation or world did as well. False assumption.
Anyways, have fun finding a rainbow or catching a star, I'm sure it will save the world.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
CORRECT....both of those things can be solved by a limited federal gov't...
right, but you need to realize that I have yet to see any of those ads...and if a corporation is giving to people in the political arena that you don't support...don't support them with your dollars...
But you want their speech limited because you do not like the source. That is an ok position to take...if we are going to stay a behemoth of a gov't I am inclined to agree...but it won't stop special interests and it won't stop those who claim to be for reform from taking that money...
As Paul put it...no one would buy the vote if it wasn't for sale in the first place...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If I failed to leave it out I put it in there :P
You are right.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
yeah ... ditto ...
I think your being obtuse here...that's fine...
I wonder, how is making a choice about which spade I will worry about being naive and narrow...? you don't make choices throughout your day...? if not, how do you function...?
you can choose to answer this post or not....but that may mean you're narrow...and the world may not be able to handle that...
not sure what more you needed than "you are right"
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan