'Family Values'... What Does That Mean...
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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And we all know how committed those with the loudest voices are to these values in their personal lives :roll:OnTheEdge wrote:Promotion of "traditional marriage" and opposition to adultery [9][10][11][12]
Yes... get back in the kitchen and cook me dinner...OnTheEdge wrote:Support for a roll back of aspects of Feminism and support for a traditional role for women in the family.[13][citation needed]
For the life of me, I still can't figure out why anyone cares about who marries who...OnTheEdge wrote:Opposition to same-sex marriage[8]
Not even sure what traditional education means? Pretty vague term, but yeah, parents should definitely be involved in educationOnTheEdge wrote:Support for traditional education and parental involvement in that education[14]
Can't argue with that... but at the same time you gotta realize the other option exists (and is legal)OnTheEdge wrote:Support for policies that encourage "adoption over abortion"[15]
I guess only if that religious commitment is to a Christianity or Judaism?OnTheEdge wrote:Support for behavior identified as traditional or moral such as respect, discipline, attentiveness, religious commitment[16][17]
Yeah, tell them they can't have sex, but don't give them any medical/psychological background or info on other ways to protect themselves. We all know teenagers are going to have sex, they even did "gasp* in the "good old days".OnTheEdge wrote:Support for "abstinence education" exclusively regarding risks associated with early sexual activity such as teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases[8] while not teaching such topics of sex education as human sexual behavior, safe sex and birth control.[18]
Exploitation - I agree... but that goes to the point above... to fully protect them, we need to arm them with all of the information available.OnTheEdge wrote:Support for policies that are said to protect children from obscenity and exploitation.[19][20][21][22][23][24][25]
Obscenity - ok... no porn for people under 18... that works for me, but for everyone else, mind your own business.My whole life
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...OnTheEdge wrote:Cosmo wrote:...
I was asking for YOUR specifics... not Wikipedia's.
same thing
Well, one would imagine that if these were your core beliefs... you'd be able to put them down from your comitment to them without having to reference Wikipedia to find out what your core values actually are.
Then again... it does makes sense.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Doesn't "family values" in the american context just mean republicans? Meaning if it's something republicans like/dislike it's part of "family values"? A big collection of "putting GOD back into the public" and "women should know their place, like they used to".
As for what I would put into a family values term, well, I guess it's about valuing your family. Which everyone should, but that has no bearing on public policies. Hell, I'm a pro-choice atheist socialist motherfucker, and I like families and plan on having one. I plan on treating my family well too. And I will be every time on the exact opposite on just about any policy issue than the right wing repubs in America. I will even up the ante by saying that I think there should be welfare benefits for families, given the cost of raising a child these days. I'll hand that to our centrist Christian Democrats in Norway, they really DO support legislation in favour of families with children. Which I think is much more about valuing families, than attitude towards gays and abortion...
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DanPost edited by OutOfBreath on"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
relating star wars and family guy to a family values thread....nicely done.TriumphantAngel wrote:something, something, something, Dark Side...0 -
Cosmo wrote:
...OnTheEdge wrote:Cosmo wrote:...
I was asking for YOUR specifics... not Wikipedia's.
same thing
Well, one would imagine that if these were your core beliefs... you'd be able to put them down from your comitment to them without having to reference Wikipedia to find out what your core values actually are.
Then again... it does makes sense.
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I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Jason P wrote:I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
Careful man, you're going to the dark side
because you know the only time you put the word family in front of another word so it has meaning is when we're talking about Family Guy. It's quite obvious that alot of people on here do not have families of their own yet. 0 -
Jason P wrote:I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
the words only stir up negativity because they are used as a partisan tool...
Your take on family values is one that we can pretty much all agree with, but the GOP uses the term to encompass issues like gay marriage, abortion, church/state, etc...My whole life
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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so by me not having kids am i not allowed to have an opinion on the sham political platform of "family values"?? politicizing family values and the gop commandeering that term has made it a wedge that only serves to divide us...OnTheEdge wrote:Jason P wrote:I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
Careful man, you're going to the dark side because you know the only time you put the word family in front of another word so it has meaning is when we're talking about Family Guy. It's quite obvious that alot of people on here do not have families of their own yet."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
OutOfBreath wrote:Doesn't "family values" in the american context just mean republicans?
not necessarily...tipper gore tried and was somewhat successful in censoring records back in the 80's and joe lieberman, at one time a democrat, is still trying to censor movies and tv all in the name of protecting the children which is the same as the family values horseshit0 -
...Jason P wrote:I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
Yes... but the term, 'Family Values' is used in a political sense. You are forming your own definition of the term. Politicians will use the 'Family Values' term to garner votes, knowing that you have specific principles and policies tied to the term and believe that they believe in the things you do. In the meantime, they are banging male prostitutes in filthy public restrooms or accepting bribes from businessmen to dump cadmium in your river.
Ask yourself... are banging male prostitutes or accepting bribes from polluters part of your Family Values? Are these the Family Values that should be instituted into your family?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Those family values are great. I would also count these as good things, and guidelines I no doubt will try to lay down to my future children. Noone is seriously suggesting that stuff like you mentioned is bad.Jason P wrote:I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
However, when family values are invoked politically it translates/mutates into anti-abortion, anti-gay, god bless america stuff. Furthermore, although I have no problems with your family values here, I think different people mean very different things with the term. Which makes it a great rallying catchphrase to use in elections. It doesn't matter what family values means, it sounds good, and you support your own idea of what it is. As long as the politician doesn't spell out what that means, which they never do. Some (like you) think it's about integrity, others regard it as closely following the bible etc.
Always ask people to elaborate on such phrases, and always be suspicious when they can't or refuse to define the term they're using. Like how Glenn Beck did a whole dance number to avoid defining "white culture" for instance. That's a textbook example of responses that should earn instant distrust. I think many public propagators of "family values" will answer very vaguely if asked to define it specifically. Or their answer will be banal like, "I support families" or some other contentless completely uncontroversial view (and not relevant in politics as just about anyone would agree to it). Or, it's flat out about discriminating against gays or being pro-life (Which I dont see what has to with "family" at all).
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Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
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for me it is like this, this great song, teaching each other, learning right from wrong, learning to value every life as we value our own and loving.0 -
Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?Cosmo wrote:I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?0
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Cosmo wrote:Ask yourself... are banging male prostitutes or accepting bribes from polluters part of your Family Values? Are these the Family Values that should be instituted into your family?
Shame in you! How many times have you seem of a super Christian politic who loves to imposose his idea of family values and is opposed to gay marriage has been found to be banging male prostitutes and accepting bribes!?! That's fairy tale..."The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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prfctlefts wrote:Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?
I think it's rather questioning whether "family values" (having something to do with valuing families) have anything to do with conservatism or religion at all, and pointing out that it's mostly a vague catch-phrase utilized to catch religious and conservative votes.
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Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
prfctlefts wrote:Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?Cosmo wrote:I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Everyone knows what family values (in their literal sense) mean, and we probably all agree on the basics (honesty, hard work, respect, etc)... but when it's used as a political rallying point seemingly encompassing every part of social conservatism, that is where the questions arise.My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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