I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
Careful man, you're going to the dark side because you know the only time you put the word family in front of another word so it has meaning is when we're talking about Family Guy. It's quite obvious that alot of people on here do not have families of their own yet.
so by me not having kids am i not allowed to have an opinion on the sham political platform of "family values"?? politicizing family values and the gop commandeering that term has made it a wedge that only serves to divide us...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Doesn't "family values" in the american context just mean republicans?
not necessarily...tipper gore tried and was somewhat successful in censoring records back in the 80's and joe lieberman, at one time a democrat, is still trying to censor movies and tv all in the name of protecting the children which is the same as the family values horseshit
I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
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Yes... but the term, 'Family Values' is used in a political sense. You are forming your own definition of the term. Politicians will use the 'Family Values' term to garner votes, knowing that you have specific principles and policies tied to the term and believe that they believe in the things you do. In the meantime, they are banging male prostitutes in filthy public restrooms or accepting bribes from businessmen to dump cadmium in your river.
Ask yourself... are banging male prostitutes or accepting bribes from polluters part of your Family Values? Are these the Family Values that should be instituted into your family?
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I never thought the words “family values” could stir up so much negativity.
I take family values to mean that you set a proper example for your children to follow. It includes teaching integrity, generosity, good manners, and teaching the values of hard work, effort, and discipline.
Those family values are great. I would also count these as good things, and guidelines I no doubt will try to lay down to my future children. Noone is seriously suggesting that stuff like you mentioned is bad.
However, when family values are invoked politically it translates/mutates into anti-abortion, anti-gay, god bless america stuff. Furthermore, although I have no problems with your family values here, I think different people mean very different things with the term. Which makes it a great rallying catchphrase to use in elections. It doesn't matter what family values means, it sounds good, and you support your own idea of what it is. As long as the politician doesn't spell out what that means, which they never do. Some (like you) think it's about integrity, others regard it as closely following the bible etc.
Always ask people to elaborate on such phrases, and always be suspicious when they can't or refuse to define the term they're using. Like how Glenn Beck did a whole dance number to avoid defining "white culture" for instance. That's a textbook example of responses that should earn instant distrust. I think many public propagators of "family values" will answer very vaguely if asked to define it specifically. Or their answer will be banal like, "I support families" or some other contentless completely uncontroversial view (and not relevant in politics as just about anyone would agree to it). Or, it's flat out about discriminating against gays or being pro-life (Which I dont see what has to with "family" at all).
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?
Ask yourself... are banging male prostitutes or accepting bribes from polluters part of your Family Values? Are these the Family Values that should be instituted into your family?
Shame in you! How many times have you seem of a super Christian politic who loves to imposose his idea of family values and is opposed to gay marriage has been found to be banging male prostitutes and accepting bribes!?! That's fairy tale...
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Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?
I think it's rather questioning whether "family values" (having something to do with valuing families) have anything to do with conservatism or religion at all, and pointing out that it's mostly a vague catch-phrase utilized to catch religious and conservative votes.
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Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Everyone knows what family values (in their literal sense) mean, and we probably all agree on the basics (honesty, hard work, respect, etc)... but when it's used as a political rallying point seemingly encompassing every part of social conservatism, that is where the questions arise.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Everyone knows what family values (in their literal sense) mean, and we probably all agree on the basics (honesty, hard work, respect, etc)... but when it's used as a political rallying point seemingly encompassing every part of social conservatism, that is where the questions arise.
Exactly. I don't think religion is an important aspect to the family. Neither is abstinence only education (to be honest, that's just fucking stupid). Gay Marriage, why not? Censoring art isn't something I necessarily agree with.
Honesty, respect, etc.. All agreeable.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....
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Well.. you haven't explained what 'Family Values' are. Based solely upon messages you have posted on this site, my guess is 'Stupidity' is included as one of your core values.
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Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?
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Yes... it is a serious question because people can't explain what they mean when the refer to 'Family Values'.
Like those Republican/Tea Partiers talk about bringing 'Family Values' back to America... does that mean you are going to have to start soliciting male prostitutes in public restrooms, for example?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Is this even a serious question or just another atempt for the majority on here to make fun of conservatives or people of faith?
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Yes... it is a serious question because people can't explain what they mean when the refer to 'Family Values'.
Like those Republican/Tea Partiers talk about bringing 'Family Values' back to America... does that mean you are going to have to start soliciting male prostitutes in public restrooms, for example?
and what exactly is a 'real american'?...i hear that from the same slacked-jaw yokels that proclaim 'family values'
Promotion of "traditional marriage" and opposition to adultery [9][10][11][12] Support for a roll back of aspects of Feminism and support for a traditional role for women in the family.[13][citation needed]
Opposition to same-sex marriage[8]
Support for traditional education and parental involvement in that education[14]
Support for policies that encourage "adoption over abortion"[15]
Support for behavior identified as traditional or moral such as respect, discipline, attentiveness, religious commitment[16][17]
Support for "abstinence education" exclusively regarding risks associated with early sexual activity such as teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases[8] while not teaching such topics of sex education as human sexual behavior, safe sex and birth control.[18]
Support for policies that are said to protect children from obscenity and exploitation.[19][20][21][22][23][24][25]
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I was asking for YOUR specifics... not Wikipedia's.
same thing
What exactly do you mean by "traditional role" of women?
That we should all be in the kitchen, baking some rhubarb pies?
I also love the abstinence-only education bit... Not only does it not work, but IMO, if "God" wanted you not to have sex, he wouldnt have made humans with sex drives.
I hear shit about 'Family Values' from the Tea Party side of the house... but, what exactly does that mean... to YOU? I mean, if you are someone that believes in shit like, 'Restoring Family Values in America...', seriously, what the fuck does that mean?
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....[/quote]
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Well.. you haven't explained what 'Family Values' are. Based solely upon messages you have posted on this site, my guess is 'Stupidity' is included as one of your core values.
It has been explained several times on this thread...are you having a problem comprehending…..
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
It has been explained several times on this thread...are you having a problem comprehending…..
Not really. Someone posted the wikipedia definition, which was not cosmo's point, and Jason P outlined something about teaching integrity to children. Your contribution has been to roll eyes over people asking the question.
So Cosmo's point and question is simple: "What do YOU mean by family values?"
If you can't answer, that's kindof an answer in itself...
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Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
It has been explained several times on this thread...are you having a problem comprehending…..
Not really. Someone posted the wikipedia definition, which was not cosmo's point, and Jason P outlined something about teaching integrity to children. Your contribution has been to roll eyes over people asking the question.
So Cosmo's point and question is simple: "What do YOU mean by family values?"
If you can't answer, that's kindof an answer in itself...
Peace
Dan
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
I don't know, what do you mean by "family values"?
Tell me what they are, and I can answer whether i believe in them or not.
As it stands, it's akin to the concept "fair treatment". where of course the first follow-up question is "What is fair?" We should all believe in family values. My question is of course, what are they?
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Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
It has been explained several times on this thread...are you having a problem comprehending…..
Not really. Someone posted the wikipedia definition, which was not cosmo's point, and Jason P outlined something about teaching integrity to children. Your contribution has been to roll eyes over people asking the question.
So Cosmo's point and question is simple: "What do YOU mean by family values?"
If you can't answer, that's kindof an answer in itself...
Peace
Dan
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
I'm pretty sure my family's values are different than yours.
Please, what s your definition of 'family values' and I'll see if I believe in them.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
Really? Cause in Bountiful B.C. the meaning of family values is a man marrying 35 women, some as young as 8 or 9...
And in some societies family values means women being subordinate to men, because it's a "man's world"
And in some societies family values means mutilating girls at young ages to make them "pure" and "faithful"
And in some families their "values" consist of raising their children to believe your race, nationality, or sexual orientation gives you some sort of rank in this world.
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
Really? Cause in Bountiful B.C. the meaning of family values is a man marrying 35 women, some as young as 8 or 9...
And in some societies family values means women being subordinate to men, because it's a "man's world"
And in some societies family values means mutilating girls at young ages to make them "pure" and "faithful"
And in some families their "values" consist of raising their children to believe your race, nationality, or sexual orientation gives you some sort of rank in this world.
So which meaning is it then...
well I guess there is no right or wrong answer..
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
Really? Cause in Bountiful B.C. the meaning of family values is a man marrying 35 women, some as young as 8 or 9...
And in some societies family values means women being subordinate to men, because it's a "man's world"
And in some societies family values means mutilating girls at young ages to make them "pure" and "faithful"
And in some families their "values" consist of raising their children to believe your race, nationality, or sexual orientation gives you some sort of rank in this world.
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
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So... when Rev. Fred Phelps says he believes in restoring Family Values to america.. you would answer, 'Yes', in agreement with him? Your set of Family Values are the same as Fred Phelps???
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I was thinking more like a fine man like, oh say, Gary Condit.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
not necessarily...tipper gore tried and was somewhat successful in censoring records back in the 80's and joe lieberman, at one time a democrat, is still trying to censor movies and tv all in the name of protecting the children which is the same as the family values horseshit
Yes... but the term, 'Family Values' is used in a political sense. You are forming your own definition of the term. Politicians will use the 'Family Values' term to garner votes, knowing that you have specific principles and policies tied to the term and believe that they believe in the things you do. In the meantime, they are banging male prostitutes in filthy public restrooms or accepting bribes from businessmen to dump cadmium in your river.
Ask yourself... are banging male prostitutes or accepting bribes from polluters part of your Family Values? Are these the Family Values that should be instituted into your family?
Hail, Hail!!!
However, when family values are invoked politically it translates/mutates into anti-abortion, anti-gay, god bless america stuff. Furthermore, although I have no problems with your family values here, I think different people mean very different things with the term. Which makes it a great rallying catchphrase to use in elections. It doesn't matter what family values means, it sounds good, and you support your own idea of what it is. As long as the politician doesn't spell out what that means, which they never do. Some (like you) think it's about integrity, others regard it as closely following the bible etc.
Always ask people to elaborate on such phrases, and always be suspicious when they can't or refuse to define the term they're using. Like how Glenn Beck did a whole dance number to avoid defining "white culture" for instance. That's a textbook example of responses that should earn instant distrust. I think many public propagators of "family values" will answer very vaguely if asked to define it specifically. Or their answer will be banal like, "I support families" or some other contentless completely uncontroversial view (and not relevant in politics as just about anyone would agree to it). Or, it's flat out about discriminating against gays or being pro-life (Which I dont see what has to with "family" at all).
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
for me it is like this, this great song, teaching each other, learning right from wrong, learning to value every life as we value our own and loving.
Shame in you! How many times have you seem of a super Christian politic who loves to imposose his idea of family values and is opposed to gay marriage has been found to be banging male prostitutes and accepting bribes!?! That's fairy tale...
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I think it's rather questioning whether "family values" (having something to do with valuing families) have anything to do with conservatism or religion at all, and pointing out that it's mostly a vague catch-phrase utilized to catch religious and conservative votes.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....
Everyone knows what family values (in their literal sense) mean, and we probably all agree on the basics (honesty, hard work, respect, etc)... but when it's used as a political rallying point seemingly encompassing every part of social conservatism, that is where the questions arise.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Honesty, respect, etc.. All agreeable.
Well.. you haven't explained what 'Family Values' are. Based solely upon messages you have posted on this site, my guess is 'Stupidity' is included as one of your core values.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes... it is a serious question because people can't explain what they mean when the refer to 'Family Values'.
Like those Republican/Tea Partiers talk about bringing 'Family Values' back to America... does that mean you are going to have to start soliciting male prostitutes in public restrooms, for example?
Hail, Hail!!!
and what exactly is a 'real american'?...i hear that from the same slacked-jaw yokels that proclaim 'family values'
sorry, i couldn't resist...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
is that what they mean?? steroids and peroxide?? learn something new every day
That we should all be in the kitchen, baking some rhubarb pies?
I also love the abstinence-only education bit... Not only does it not work, but IMO, if "God" wanted you not to have sex, he wouldnt have made humans with sex drives.
What blows my mind is some people on here have no idea what Family Values are.......to them it's just political...a catch phrase...
Now I understand why most felt the kid that rang the old guys door and ran was doing nothing wrong....[/quote]
...
It has been explained several times on this thread...are you having a problem comprehending…..
Not really. Someone posted the wikipedia definition, which was not cosmo's point, and Jason P outlined something about teaching integrity to children. Your contribution has been to roll eyes over people asking the question.
So Cosmo's point and question is simple: "What do YOU mean by family values?"
If you can't answer, that's kindof an answer in itself...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
There is one meaning....the question should be ...Do you believe in Family Values?
I don't know, what do you mean by "family values"?
Tell me what they are, and I can answer whether i believe in them or not.
As it stands, it's akin to the concept "fair treatment". where of course the first follow-up question is "What is fair?" We should all believe in family values. My question is of course, what are they?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Please, what s your definition of 'family values' and I'll see if I believe in them.
And in some societies family values means women being subordinate to men, because it's a "man's world"
And in some societies family values means mutilating girls at young ages to make them "pure" and "faithful"
And in some families their "values" consist of raising their children to believe your race, nationality, or sexual orientation gives you some sort of rank in this world.
So which meaning is it then...
well I guess there is no right or wrong answer..
Saw V?
So... when Rev. Fred Phelps says he believes in restoring Family Values to america.. you would answer, 'Yes', in agreement with him? Your set of Family Values are the same as Fred Phelps???
Hail, Hail!!!