INCEPTION

AllNiteThing

Given To DragonFly wrote:

*****SPOILER*****





OK, since everyone knows about the kick, I hafta discuss my discrepancy... why does Ellen Page push Fischer out the window in the last level, as a kick, & then jump herself? It's my understanding that the kick has to happen in the level that they're sleeping in... so that one doesn't make any sense. They only should have woken up in the snow level by falling within in that level. And for that matter, there was no reason to blow up the building the snow level, cause at that point no one was sleeping (unless that kick was set for Leo). The elevator kick in the next level is what brought them outta the snow level. U guys know what I mean?!

I don't think that was meant as a kick. I think jumping out the window, they killed themselves. If you die in limbo, I think you go back up to the next level you came from, so they went back to the fortress. Leo and Saito killed themselves many years later, and jumped all the way back up to reality, even though it was probably only a second after Fischer and Ellen Page in reality. The thing is that Eames had to time the revival of Fischer with Fischer's consciousness coming back from limbo.

Given To DragonFly

AllNiteThing wrote:

Given To DragonFly wrote:

OK, since everyone knows about the kick, I hafta discuss my discrepancy... why does Ellen Page push Fischer out the window in the last level, as a kick, & then jump herself? It's my understanding that the kick has to happen in the level that they're sleeping in... so that one doesn't make any sense. They only should have woken up in the snow level by falling within in that level. And for that matter, there was no reason to blow up the building the snow level, cause at that point no one was sleeping (unless that kick was set for Leo). The elevator kick in the next level is what brought them outta the snow level. U guys know what I mean?!

I don't think that was meant as a kick. I think jumping out the window, they killed themselves. If you die in limbo, I think you go back up to the next level you came from, so they went back to the fortress. Leo and Saito killed themselves many years later, and jumped all the way back up to reality, even though it was probably only a second after Fischer and Ellen Page in reality. The thing is that Eames had to time the revival of Fischer with Fischer's consciousness coming back from limbo.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, since he discovered before (on the train tracks) that killing urself in limbo would bring u back. But did Leo & Saito actually kill themselves (they don't show it) in limbo, or did the timer just run out on the plane, so they woke up with everyone else? Who knows... haha, looks like I need to go see it again.

Kilgore_Trout

Given To DragonFly wrote:

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, since he discovered before (on the train tracks) that killing urself in limbo would bring u back. But did Leo & Saito actually kill themselves (they don't show it) in limbo, or did the timer just run out on the plane, so they woke up with everyone else? Who knows... haha, looks like I need to go see it again.

Yah... they dont show them die in limbo... maybe Saito convinced Leo that he could make the life he wanted in limbo instead of going back... waking up on the plane and going to his kids could all have been invented in limbo... could that be the explanation for the end? Or was the whole thing a dream?

Given To DragonFly

JasonE wrote:

Great film. Could have been about 20 minutes shorter. Is it just me or does Given to Dragon Fly look like Ellen Page?

While I'm flattered :oops:, click on my FB badge below, & u'll see we hold very little resemblance.

Blueflare

absolutely loved this film. so refreshing to have a mind challenging, new concept. i only read the last page of comments and understand the whole kicks to the new level and the way in which all got back to "real" life....or did they? has anyone commented yet on the totem that was left spinning on leonardo's-cobb's home table after he was back. in dreams it kept spinning, in real life it toppled.....so are we to second guess that he really did indeed make it back? i'm at a loss with this one. want to believe he's with his family in real life, but that darned spinning totem....nolan's laughing at us all

Digital Twilight

Desdemona wrote:

absolutely loved this film. so refreshing to have a mind challenging, new concept. i only read the last page of comments and understand the whole kicks to the new level and the way in which all got back to "real" life....or did they? has anyone commented yet on the totem that was left spinning on leonardo's-cobb's home table after he was back. in dreams it kept spinning, in real life it toppled.....so are we to second guess that he really did indeed make it back? i'm at a loss with this one. want to believe he's with his family in real life, but that darned spinning totem....nolan's laughing at us all

The wobble was Nolan's Inception to the audience so when you view the film again you will be questioning what you believed the first time round. I suspect the film itself is a mirror of the stair case paradox. The more you try to prove one point the easier it will be to prove the other side and vise versa.

Blueflare

Digital Twilight wrote:

Desdemona wrote:

absolutely loved this film. so refreshing to have a mind challenging, new concept. i only read the last page of comments and understand the whole kicks to the new level and the way in which all got back to "real" life....or did they? has anyone commented yet on the totem that was left spinning on leonardo's-cobb's home table after he was back. in dreams it kept spinning, in real life it toppled.....so are we to second guess that he really did indeed make it back? i'm at a loss with this one. want to believe he's with his family in real life, but that darned spinning totem....nolan's laughing at us all

The wobble was Nolan's Inception to the audience so when you view the film again you will be questioning what you believed the first time round. I suspect the film itself is a mirror of the stair case paradox. The more you try to prove one point the easier it will be to prove the other side and vise versa.

>>>ah yes great answer thank you!!! the stair case paradox!! again, i love how this movie does make me (and my 14 yrs old son...he sooooooo got it) go round and round. cheers! ( btw, he says SKIP salt. so lame compared to this one!! an epic fail...lol)

CJMST3K

two questions... just got back from seeing it.

-was the screen flickering strangely for the whole film for anyone else? I couldn't focus on the first 45 minutes because of the flickering. ...and it wasnt the light between frames. It was like sections of the screen dimmed 20% for 1/2 a second every 2 seconds. ;ust my theater or everywhere?

-the last 3 seconds, did the top wobble? I was searching behind me for the source of a cellphone rining and missed the ending.

Blueflare

CJMST3K wrote:

two questions... just got back from seeing it.

-was the screen flickering strangely for the whole film for anyone else? I couldn't focus on the first 45 minutes because of the flickering. ...and it wasnt the light between frames. It was like sections of the screen dimmed 20% for 1/2 a second every 2 seconds. ;ust my theater or everywhere?

-the last 3 seconds, did the top wobble? I was searching behind me for the source of a cellphone rining and missed the ending.

no flickering for me, must have been your theatre....
the totem did NOT wobble, it kept spinning. it may have just barely started to wobble, but not too much, didn't look like it was going to fall , but....then they cut away. again...to make you think, think, think, think, think, think......

AllNiteThing

Desdemona wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

two questions... just got back from seeing it.

-was the screen flickering strangely for the whole film for anyone else? I couldn't focus on the first 45 minutes because of the flickering. ...and it wasnt the light between frames. It was like sections of the screen dimmed 20% for 1/2 a second every 2 seconds. ;ust my theater or everywhere?

-the last 3 seconds, did the top wobble? I was searching behind me for the source of a cellphone rining and missed the ending.

no flickering for me, must have been your theatre....
the totem did NOT wobble, it kept spinning. it may have just barely started to wobble, but not too much, didn't look like it was going to fall , but....then they cut away. again...to make you think, think, think, think, think, think......

It did start to wobble. In dream sequences, the thing spun with no wobble. The one at the end wobbled a bit before it cut out.

Given To DragonFly

Desdemona wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

two questions... just got back from seeing it.

-was the screen flickering strangely for the whole film for anyone else? I couldn't focus on the first 45 minutes because of the flickering. ...and it wasnt the light between frames. It was like sections of the screen dimmed 20% for 1/2 a second every 2 seconds. ;ust my theater or everywhere?

-the last 3 seconds, did the top wobble? I was searching behind me for the source of a cellphone rining and missed the ending.

no flickering for me, must have been your theatre....
the totem did NOT wobble, it kept spinning. it may have just barely started to wobble, but not too much, didn't look like it was going to fall , but....then they cut away. again...to make you think, think, think, think, think, think......

My theater didn't flicker either. At the end, the top didn't visually wobble much, but the audio was definitely that of it wobbling.

The Rock

I think Nolan was telling us at the end that it doesn't matter if the totem kept spinning or toppled. Cobb spins the totem but he walks away from it. When he finally sees his kids faces it no longer matters to him whether or not he's still dreaming or back in reality. By fading to black at that moment we realise that it isn't important anymore. As Saito said early on, Cobb needed to take a leap of faith and that's exactly what he did. He's let go of his regrets and his guilt and is finally happy.

But yeah, I also agree that it was meant to make us doubt everything else we believed just a little bit

pickupyourwill

AllNiteThing wrote:

the totem did NOT wobble, it kept spinning. it may have just barely started to wobble, but not too much, didn't look like it was going to fall , but....then they cut away. again...to make you think, think, think, think, think, think......

It did start to wobble. In dream sequences, the thing spun with no wobble. The one at the end wobbled a bit before it cut out.[/quote]

My dad and I thought it was starting to wobble. My brother didn't. I know it doesn't really make much difference, but the people behind us kept saying something about a sequel which I could totally see happening. Great movie overall! Loved it even though we missed the first 5 to 10 minutes and the opening previews. :( Definitely one I want to see again to fill in some confusion areas.

Kilgore_Trout

pickupyourwill wrote:

My dad and I thought it was starting to wobble. My brother didn't. I know it doesn't really make much difference, but the people behind us kept saying something about a sequel which I could totally see happening. Great movie overall! Loved it even though we missed the first 5 to 10 minutes and the opening previews. :( Definitely one I want to see again to fill in some confusion areas.

eh... i like to think that nolan is "above" sequels... batman being the exception cause the sequential thing is such a big part of the comic world... and it sounds like theres a lot of studio pressure to milk that cash cow

i dont see inception 2 happening tho... his talents are better served coming up with another awesome idea

catefrances

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

a film with leo in it???? hmmmmmmmmm tough call.



not.

ill be there when it eventually reaches our shores.

Considering Karate Kid Part 2 just came out there, what are you looking at - 20, 25 years, Cate?

actually no as it turns out. it came out here last week. this thursday looks to be the day for me to see it.

CROJAM95

#1 at the box office again...... Take that octo-salt Jolie


btw I heard salt was pretty good

Ayedavanita

Desdemona wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

two questions... just got back from seeing it.

-was the screen flickering strangely for the whole film for anyone else? I couldn't focus on the first 45 minutes because of the flickering. ...and it wasnt the light between frames. It was like sections of the screen dimmed 20% for 1/2 a second every 2 seconds. ;ust my theater or everywhere?

-the last 3 seconds, did the top wobble? I was searching behind me for the source of a cellphone rining and missed the ending.

no flickering for me, must have been your theatre....
the totem did NOT wobble, it kept spinning. it may have just barely started to wobble, but not too much, didn't look like it was going to fall , but....then they cut away. again...to make you think, think, think, think, think, think......

Trashing up the Pearl Jam board again I see. Another trip to Roanoke and the stalking continues....GEEESH!

hrd2imgn

that was one weird/cool/confusing movie

I loved it

to sum it up, it is like a Derivative in Calculus, dreaMS WITHIN DREAMS WITHIN DREAMS WITHIN DREAMS.

WAYY OUT THERE

nuffingman

Saw this last night and thought it was very good. Not a film to have a 5 minute snooze in as you'll lose the plot. It was also weird to see Leo getting out of a helicopter in front of a futuristic looking building that is my wife's workplace. I could have been in it. I could have been seen shoving her bike into the back of my car. Fame has escaped me again.

hrd2imgn

my dreams that night were fucked up!

I think they are subliminally screwing with us. I did not get a flicker, but maybe your every 8th frame mind suggestion feature in your theater was not working right.