Jagged Little Pill ~ Rubbish or Actually Brilliant?
PearlOfAGirl
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Your thoughts... I'll start with the lyrics to Ironic....
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
Isn't it ironic ... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought ... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
'Well isn't this nice...'
And isn't it ironic ... don't you think
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
It's a traffic jam when you're already late
It's a no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think...
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
Isn't it ironic ... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought ... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
'Well isn't this nice...'
And isn't it ironic ... don't you think
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
It's a traffic jam when you're already late
It's a no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think...
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
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'It's a death row pardon two minutes too late'
That's not ironic that's fucking criminal!! and negligent.
Ok, before we go any further beloved HSB, let's get the correct definition of irony! .... (to follow)
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1.
The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2.
An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
3.
A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.
4.
Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain).
5.
An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity.
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1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.
Literature .
a.
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b.
(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
the incongruity of this.
an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
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1.
The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2.
An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
3.
A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. .
4.
[French ironie , from Old French, from Latin īrōnīa , from Greek eirōneia , feigned ignorance , from eirōn , dissembler , probably from eirein , to say ; see wer- 5 in Indo-European roots.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
Isn't it ironic? not sure yet. Needs further study!!
My hypothesis is she is confusing / conflating irony sarcasm and being sardonic
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Hmmm, I think she's done a great job of further confusing everyone on the planet, (including myself) as to what irony actually means - especially for us brits who know the difference between irony and bloody terrible misfortune
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Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
"With our thoughts we make the world"
He won the lottery and died the next day. Don't you think?
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
HSB - this is how I understand irony
"Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated"
It is something about how 'un-poetic' (made up word!) the situation is. (often) as in, the irony of doing the opposite of what you stand for.
What Alanis seems to describe is terrible misfortune (sod's law?) and then says 'isn't it ironic?' in a sardonic tone of voice.
Her only defence is that she is playing with us!!
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seems like a nice woman in interviews and stuff too
http://seanbriceart.com/
we're still friends right? I knew this was a bad idea!!
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Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
thx.
ps - this is definitely the best smilie:
:wave:
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Yes if I'm being charitable I would say she has deftly crafted a satire about the barriers to our own shared misunderstandings of language.
However, more realistically I just think she is fucking confused!
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But then, I'm a HUGE Alanis fan who owns everything she's ever done... I would say that
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
either way...its more productive than what I did with my life as a teenager
10/31/09- Philly
5/21/10- NYC
9/2/12- Philly, PA
7/19/13- Wrigley
10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
10/21/13- Philly, PA
10/22/13- Philly, PA
10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
4/28/16- Philly, PA
4/29/16- Philly, PA
5/1/16- NYC
5/2/16- NYC
9/2/18- Boston, MA
9/4/18- Boston, MA
9/14/22- Camden, NJ
9/7/24- Philly, PA
9/9/24- Philly, PA
Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
I thought brilliant at the time.
Deep
Ain't that the truth!!?
Yes, I concede - it's a good record!!
I was being ironic btw
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Personally, her music is ok. To me it just hasn't stood up well over time. I remember liking it a lot more when it first came out. And I agree with tremors in that she's misusing the term 'ironic'. While it's (unfortunately) come to be an acceptable substitute for 'coincidental', it's still a misuse of the word.
Ha! I saw her at a club in Toronto right when JLP came out and the place was lousy with Canadian Lesbos and they yelled at me. I usually have no beef with them. JLP was an awesome record for 1995, but I would be ok with never hearing it again as long as I lived. It's actually one of the three records we have duplicate copies of in my house, both I had it and my girlfriend had it before we moved in together. The other 2 are Automatic for the People by R.E.M. and Justified by Justin Timberlake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pEzi1E5Og