Well firstly let me clarify something right off the bat to you - you have jumped to so many conclusions, assumptions and presumptions in this thread as I have said very little about my specific political leanings and albeit did comment a little, you have far exceeded yourself by proclaiming generalizations and gibberish regarding my opinions on these matters. Anyone who reads anything I post on this board knows full well I'm not any of the nonsense you state.
Secondly, why must you assume that anyone who disagrees with your premise or conclusion that 9-11, Iraq and Afghanistan were all part of sinister or grandiose inside job or pre-planned occurrence, that it automatically means people live with their head in the sand or are oblivious or ignorant? That's a pretty silly comment to make in regards to anyone's opinion regarding most topics, especially this one. Ever hear the quote, "the man who knows everything, knows nothing at all"?
Lastly, there's been a million and one threads on this board where everything you have and haven't thought of have been discussed to death about this topic. I have commented and stated my opinion in some, this one in particular of recent. As you can see it's 16 pages with many comments on all sides of the spectrum from many users. Enjoy the read. (http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123518)
Have you even looked at the questions raised or are you too scared to realize everything that has been told to you is a lie? Really what is it? We have been in two of the longest wars in our history based on one event in which the official story has an amazing amount of holes in them. I just don't get this willful ignorance.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Well firstly let me clarify something right off the bat to you - you have jumped to so many conclusions, assumptions and presumptions in this thread as I have said very little about my specific political leanings and albeit did comment a little, you have far exceeded yourself by proclaiming generalizations and gibberish regarding my opinions on these matters. Anyone who reads anything I post on this board knows full well I'm not any of the nonsense you state.
Secondly, why must you assume that anyone who disagrees with your premise or conclusion that 9-11, Iraq and Afghanistan were all part of sinister or grandiose inside job or pre-planned occurrence, that it automatically means people live with their head in the sand or are oblivious or ignorant? That's a pretty silly comment to make in regards to anyone's opinion regarding most topics, especially this one. Ever hear the quote, "the man who knows everything, knows nothing at all"?
Lastly, there's been a million and one threads on this board where everything you have and haven't thought of have been discussed to death about this topic. I have commented and stated my opinion in some, this one in particular of recent. As you can see it's 16 pages with many comments on all sides of the spectrum from many users. Enjoy the read. (http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123518)
Have you even looked at the questions raised or are you too scared to realize everything that has been told to you is a lie? Really what is it? We have been in two of the longest wars in our history based on one event in which the official story has an amazing amount of holes in them. I just don't get this willful ignorance.
The only conclusion I have jumped to is that you refuse to see there are other forces in control here. To accept the "governments" full story on 9/11 and accept their "reasons" for continuing war all over the globe is as I said before willful ignorance.
And to be clear I never said you are an idiot for not believing in a 9/11 conspiracy, the fault lies in accepting the official story and then labeling people that question it, Alex Jones followers. Refusing to even look and just accept is at the root of the problem.
Then your total dismissal of zerohedge told me all I need to know about you. Either you work in finance and are helping the problem or are willfully ignorant contributing to the idiocy of our populace.
The thing that makes this unlikely is the amount of people that would have had to be involved keeping their mouths shut. After all these years somebodies conscience would have got the better of them or they would get the urge to spill the beans, either for money or for fame.
Money or fame is nothing if you are dead.
The power behind this is immense, it is the power of the world.
It has no country, it is the world that is its playing field.
It has no one face. It can't be found, it can't be held accountable.
It has been here for centuries growing stronger with an agenda.
Is it good or evil?
Its means justify the end, disregarding life. Some would say that evil.
We are but pheasants, we have heard slaves.
The Earth needs a ruler, it needs to be saved, but not how we think.
This is their mission at all costs. Divide, conquer and destroy, rebuild as their own.
Conspiracy? not by definition. The entity is above the law, it is the law.
Nope it's slave buddy, you're a slave to the propaganda machine. Slave to the idea governments and banks are to be trusted. Slave to the idea everything is fine and we the people are in control of our lives.
And to the people who don't have their head in the sand, here is a level headed professor talking about 9/11 and the Afgan war. It's a great listen.
Have you even looked at the questions raised or are you too scared to realize everything that has been told to you is a lie? Really what is it? We have been in two of the longest wars in our history based on one event in which the official story has an amazing amount of holes in them. I just don't get this willful ignorance.
Have you looked at all the questions that don't make any sense on your theory or do you ignore them because this is much more exciting for you?
I think the following quote fits will into this thread at this point in time:
"I dropped off the money exactly as per... look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?"
I never once claimed or mentioned anything remotely similar that I believe everything the government said, does or has done. You came to that conclusion on your own.
Also, and just to prove a point, are you a US citizen and pay taxes, if so, you're guilty of contributing to the problem and no better than anyone else. You point the finger at everyone else, but contribute to the machine buddy, so maybe you should recognize that fact before you start throwing stones instead of exempting yourself because you read a blog by anonymous writers who post about conspiracy theories.
Have you even looked at the questions raised or are you too scared to realize everything that has been told to you is a lie? Really what is it? We have been in two of the longest wars in our history based on one event in which the official story has an amazing amount of holes in them. I just don't get this willful ignorance.
The only conclusion I have jumped to is that you refuse to see there are other forces in control here. To accept the "governments" full story on 9/11 and accept their "reasons" for continuing war all over the globe is as I said before willful ignorance.
And to be clear I never said you are an idiot for not believing in a 9/11 conspiracy, the fault lies in accepting the official story and then labeling people that question it, Alex Jones followers. Refusing to even look and just accept is at the root of the problem.
Then your total dismissal of zerohedge told me all I need to know about you. Either you work in finance and are helping the problem or are willfully ignorant contributing to the idiocy of our populace.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Also, and just to prove a point, are you a US citizen and pay taxes, if so, you're guilty of contributing to the problem and no better than anyone else. You point the finger at everyone else, but contribute to the machine buddy, so maybe you should recognize that fact before you start throwing stones instead of exempting yourself because you read a blog by anonymous writers who post about conspiracy theories.
You have a copy of my tax return? Really? What does it say on it? That's what I thought. You wanted to get all high and mighty on me about jumping to conclusions... And I will continue to point the finger at people who don't see the painfully obvious or refuse to because they are too brainwashed by main stream media and government propaganda. Wake up. The crash is coming. The people in power are going to try and grab more power.
ZeroHedge is not about conspiracy theories, it is an investment blog. And not everyone is anonymous, just the people who run the site, therefore it cant be shut down as easily. Don't understand how that concept escapes you. People post articles on there all the time with who they are and whom they work for. Perhaps if you took a few minutes to read the site you would see that.
Continue on slave, its obvious you will only wake up after it all comes crashing on your head.
So do you pay taxes? Seems like you're ignoring the question...
Also, what you call "painfully obvious" is only such to because you actually believe it. Bankers run the world and their after your livelihood....yadda yadda yadda. Heard it before. How come everyone else is brainwashed, yet you, who are so set in this opinion (which is all it is), can come off to all as such a know it all and everyone is oblivious, dumb, a slave or has their head in the sand? Please enlighten us further all knowing poster...
And you keep saying "crash".. can you be more specific so the rest of us here in reality know what you mean.
Lastly, your comments are comical as if people in power never try to seize or at least maintain their own... that's how it always have been since the beginning of time and will always be. Anything else to add about this captain obvious?
You have a copy of my tax return? Really? What does it say on it? That's what I thought. You wanted to get all high and mighty on me about jumping to conclusions... And I will continue to point the finger at people who don't see the painfully obvious or refuse to because they are too brainwashed by main stream media and government propaganda. Wake up. The crash is coming. The people in power are going to try and grab more power.
ZeroHedge is not about conspiracy theories, it is an investment blog. And not everyone is anonymous, just the people who run the site, therefore it cant be shut down as easily. Don't understand how that concept escapes you. People post articles on there all the time with who they are and whom they work for. Perhaps if you took a few minutes to read the site you would see that.
Continue on slave, its obvious you will only wake up after it all comes crashing on your head.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I came across this website with a lot of interesting blurbs regarding 9/11 made by knowledgable and credible people. It has really made me think seriously about what I believe. For a long time I thought maybe it was possible that certain individuals within our Government knew about an impending attack and allowed it to happen, but I didn't believe it was an "inside job". Now, I question that assumption. I wonder if our leaders were not actually involved to a much greater extent.
IF our leaders were able to pull off the most elaborate inside job in the history of mankind, how is it that these same super-geniuses were unable to hide some chemical weapons, uranium, or W.M.D.'s in Iraq so that the invasion could have been justified to the world???
if ya haven't noticed we are still in iraq so obviously it didn't matter if wmd's were found or not. they were using their same playbook as panama when cheney was sec of defense for daddy bush. they claimed noriega was a threat to america and our national security, we went in and killed thousands of innocent people to take out a former cia asset that stopped taking orders and was starting to talk....and then when the dust cleared and people wondered just how was panama a threat to us they just shrug it off and say well, gee, he was still a bad guy and we liberated a bunch of people from his oppression so it all works out.
so why not plant wmds? because they never needed to, they still got their funding approved regardless
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I came across this website with a lot of interesting blurbs regarding 9/11 made by knowledgable and credible people. It has really made me think seriously about what I believe. For a long time I thought maybe it was possible that certain individuals within our Government knew about an impending attack and allowed it to happen, but I didn't believe it was an "inside job". Now, I question that assumption. I wonder if our leaders were not actually involved to a much greater extent.
IF our leaders were able to pull off the most elaborate inside job in the history of mankind, how is it that these same super-geniuses were unable to hide some chemical weapons, uranium, or W.M.D.'s in Iraq so that the invasion could have been justified to the world???
if ya haven't noticed we are still in iraq so obviously it didn't matter if wmd's were found or not. they were using their same playbook as panama when cheney was sec of defense for daddy bush. they claimed noriega was a threat to america and our national security, we went in and killed thousands of innocent people to take out a former cia asset that stopped taking orders and was starting to talk....and then when the dust cleared and people wondered just how was panama a threat to us they just shrug it off and say well, gee, he was still a bad guy and we liberated a bunch of people from his oppression so it all works out.
so why not plant wmds? because they never needed to, they still got their funding approved regardless
Not finding WMD's destroyed Bush's reputation, not only in the U.S. but also the world. He took the country to war based on WMD's. It allowed coalition nations a reason to pull support out Iraq. Half his cabinet went down in flames over his 2nd term. It provided a perfect scenario for the Democrats to take power back. Any yet people who think the Republican's orchestrated 9/11 can't offer a simple explanation how WMD's couldn't be planted in the middle of a desert that was 100% under U.S. military control.
Don't blame Bush for keeping our troops in Iraq. I recall hundreds of Democratic candidates a few years back making campaign promises to bring our troops home if elected. I think one of them even kinda looked like our current president.
I was never one to go where Sean Penn goes in his mind, but this stuff does make you think. And I've certainly never trusted the government. Even now. Change? What change? Maybe he's trying, but I don't see many results.
Any yet people who think the Republican's orchestrated 9/11 can't offer a simple explanation how WMD's couldn't be planted in the middle of a desert that was 100% under U.S. military control.
Don't blame Bush for keeping our troops in Iraq. I recall hundreds of Democratic candidates a few years back making campaign promises to bring our troops home if elected. I think one of them even kinda looked like our current president.
I never accused the "Republicans" of orchestrating 9/11. I think it was a group of power hungry elites led by Dick Cheney, who just happen to be Republican. Why wouldn't they plant WMD in Iraq? Well, I've never considered this before, but I would say that (1) they figured they would find them there anyway, and (2) it would be a pretty major operation that would require a lot of people to be in the loop, so they figured the risk wasn't worth the risk. They were in Iraq, they got what they wanted, why bother?
With 9/11, there are so many theories out there, god knows what really happened. But in my mind, there are 2 major things that point toward U.S. gov't complicity: First, the whitewashing of the 9-11 Commission Report is so obvious it's laughable. So many facts were left out or obscured. They never explain why FBI agents were constantly blocked when trying to investigate these known terrorists in our country, or how these terrorists were allowed to enter our country to begin with. Some of the commissioners who worked on the report have admitted that the White House was not cooperative and forthcoming with all the data. So I ask you, if they had nothing to hide, then what are they covering up?
Second, anybody who has studied the history of U.S. foreign relations over the past 30 years knows that the CIA built and runs the mujahideen or "al-Qaida." This is not speculation or conjecture. It is known. All you have to do is look it up.They were sent into Afghanistan to start a war with the Soviets in '79. Do you honestly think that once the war was over we just said, "okay guys, thanks for the help, see ya." ? I believe that the CIA used it's assets within al-Qaida to plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks. They also probably used the ISI and Mossad (pakistan and israel's intelligence services) to help facilitate the plot. It is known that Mohammed Atta received a money transfer of $100,000 from the Pakistani ISI right before the attacks. The CIA also used Pakistan to funnel money to the mjahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war. It is likely that many of the terrorists involved didn't even know they were being controlled by the U.S. government. There is also evidence to suggest that many of the hijackers didn't know it was going to be a suicide mission.
That's really all I have to say about it. All the information is out there, all you have to do is research it. I find it difficult to believe that anyone who took the time to do so would come away with any other conclusion than the following: Someone within the U.S. government was, AT THE VERY LEAST, aware of the 9/11 attacks and allowed them to happen.
Not finding WMD's destroyed Bush's reputation, not only in the U.S. but also the world. He took the country to war based on WMD's. It allowed coalition nations a reason to pull support out Iraq. Half his cabinet went down in flames over his 2nd term. It provided a perfect scenario for the Democrats to take power back. Any yet people who think the Republican's orchestrated 9/11 can't offer a simple explanation how WMD's couldn't be planted in the middle of a desert that was 100% under U.S. military control.
Don't blame Bush for keeping our troops in Iraq. I recall hundreds of Democratic candidates a few years back making campaign promises to bring our troops home if elected. I think one of them even kinda looked like our current president.
If they’d found evidence of a nuclear program, the ENTIRE WORLD would have wanted to review the evidence, and it would have been out of their control. The 9/11 investigation wasn’t an international one, open to any meaningful peer review. A WMD find would have been, because it would have contradicted the UN weapons inspector reports.
Soooooo…..what’s the next best thing to planted weapons? Convince the public that they were found regardless of whether they were or not.
Depending on which poll you read, as many as half of all Americans believed that WMD WERE found in Iraq. Several such claims were made by the government ….(chemical agents…but as long as the catchphrase acronym is attached, does it matter?). A huge number of Americans DID believe they were found, and many more believe there were plans in place to produce them – combining the two showed a large majority of Americans thought WMD were actively being sought by Iraq. So why bother with a plant that could implicate them, when their objectives were met, and the public majority was, if not already convinced of WMD, at least confused or ignorant?
As far as the coalition nations go, it was all symbolic. The US did not give a flying fuck what their allies thought about them invading Iraq, and would have gone regardless of opposition – it WAS opposed by many traditional allies
Not finding WMD's destroyed Bush's reputation, not only in the U.S. but also the world. He took the country to war based on WMD's. It allowed coalition nations a reason to pull support out Iraq. Half his cabinet went down in flames over his 2nd term. It provided a perfect scenario for the Democrats to take power back. Any yet people who think the Republican's orchestrated 9/11 can't offer a simple explanation how WMD's couldn't be planted in the middle of a desert that was 100% under U.S. military control.
Don't blame Bush for keeping our troops in Iraq. I recall hundreds of Democratic candidates a few years back making campaign promises to bring our troops home if elected. I think one of them even kinda looked like our current president.
when did i ever
-say republicans orchestrated 9/11?
-blame only bush for keeping troops in iraq?
-even bring up iraq or afghanistan other than to reply to someone else bringing it up?
i think bush was selected to be the fall guy. seriously, look at him. the only reason he got any of the jobs in his life were because of who his dad and grandfather are. he is a stupid, spoiled clown. he was picked to be the guy they point to and blame. he admitted he never read or looked into things, he relied on those around him to fill him in, isn't that admitting he is being controlled by a certain circle of individuals? he wasn't interested and even if he were he wouldn't know what do to. bush was picked to be sacrificed for the agenda, his credibility long term was never an issue.
it's not just 'iraq and afghanistan' if you read the pnac report 'rebuilding america's defenses' they lay out a pretty wide agenda. militarizing space, being more invasive, spending the surplus on 'defense' and dramatically increasing the budget....and it states their goals are much bigger than just iraq, it was about control of strategic and important region. it also stated that was the main reason to go there but the excuse of regime change would more likely get more support. and it concluded by saying all of these things would take a very long time to get where they wanted unless a new pearl harbor happened.
half his cabinet went down in flames?? like who?
and i DID give you an excuse why wmds weren't planted - it wasn't necessary, we are still there even without them, you can say the public doesn't support it but so the fuck what, we're still there and pissing money and lives away on it. the public was only needed for the initial support to get us there. what would have changed if wmds were found? nothing!
and you say his actions allowed to take the power back and what have they done with that power? nothing but be a spineless set of rubber stamps for the same agendas. when they won in '06 what the fuck did they do with their majority? instead of holding anyone accountable for the warrantless wiretapping they changed the fisa laws to make what they did legal. they still voted to approve the war funding. they still voted to reauthorize the patriot act.....so what have the dems actually done to counter any of bush's actions since '06 or '08??? so, you're saying bush's actions allowed the dems to take power only to continue the same policies? what does that prove?
also, the cofounder of pnac and some other neo-cons endorsed obama, some even back in the primaries.
and i'm with chris on the scenarios, if you look back at other conflicts like in kosovo members affiliated were hired and used in those regions, too. al qaeda was created while bin laden was receiving money from the cia and other governments, though the isi was the main go-betweens but the cia did have some people there in direct contact with the fighters. bin laden was a member of another group, who was being funded by the cia and other governments. then while still receiving money from those sources he created al qaeda which was set up to create training camps and to smuggle fighters, weapons, supplies....in and out of areas. some of those people who helped craft those decisions were in the bush administration and pnac. and these few people obviously have no problems sending our troops into 2 wars without the proper protection while they give no bid contracts and bonuses even after fraud is proven to friends but you think they would care about killing ,000 people?? cheney helped kill far more innocent people than that in panama but somehow he n wolfowitz and others would be above doing that a decade or so later? why is that? while cheney was ceo of halliburton they were fined for violating us law by doing business with some countries like syria and iran and others with horrid human rights violations in africa but you think he'd for some reason care this time about ,000 people being harmed? how many innocent people did these jackasses help kill in south and central america under reagan and bush? but now they have changed their ways and would care about all that loss of life and not think the ends justified the means? it's not just about them making money but making their friends and investors money. companies like halliburton had their stock more than double after all the no bid contracts and bonuses
and lastly - it wasn't just bush's failure to prove wmd's that they pulled out but we refused to allow them in on any of the contracts. and after it turned out it wasn't as easy and cheap as they promised people started to back out, still, so what? what did that change? we're still there, right? we're still approving massive amounts of money towards it, right?
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"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
We were attacked because of our policies in the middle east. Not because anyone hates our freedom or anything stupid like that. They basically laid out why they attacked us, why is it such a strange thing for people to believe that this group plotted and attacked us for the reasons they said they did? Why is it holding our head in the sand because we believe that people orchestrated an attack and pulled it off because of extreme dedication to what they were doing.
nope, couldn't be that. It had to be the US gov't in some strange plot to wage a war that has done nothing but weaken our standing as a super power, added to a situation that devalued the dollar to the point of near collapse, damaged our foreign relations abilities, damaged numerous relationships with allies, etc etc etc.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I will never believed the offical story...
When will the gov. release all the vidoe tapes they confiscated from the near by hotels and gas stations that caught what hit the pentigon. Instead they release a video tape that shows nothing.
You would have to be a pretty stupid person to take this offical story and not question it.
The gov. has been doing this for years see Operation northwoods, gulf of Tonkinin, pearl harbor.
The bottom line is 9/11 has never been investigated. Bush identified the terrorists as Afghans on the day of 9/11 and never ordered any kind of investigation into the event until over a year later. And the men who carried out that investigation have openly admitted it was a white wash, a cover up.
We can speculate all day as to who is responsible and to what degree, but that is just mental masturbation. The simple fact is, no one knows, and whoever was behind 9/11 has had the better part of a decade to destroy evidence. Cave man conspiracy theorists have effectively thwarted justice for 3,000 murders, and they have the gall to infer that anyone who doesn't follow them lock-step is insane.
We were attacked because of our policies in the middle east. Not because anyone hates our freedom or anything stupid like that. They basically laid out why they attacked us, why is it such a strange thing for people to believe that this group plotted and attacked us for the reasons they said they did? Why is it holding our head in the sand because we believe that people orchestrated an attack and pulled it off because of extreme dedication to what they were doing.
nope, couldn't be that. It had to be the US gov't in some strange plot to wage a war that has done nothing but weaken our standing as a super power, added to a situation that devalued the dollar to the point of near collapse, damaged our foreign relations abilities, damaged numerous relationships with allies, etc etc etc.
Well if you apply occams razor to the collapses of the buildings then that throughly supports Conrtolled Demolition... does it not????
We were attacked because of our policies in the middle east. Not because anyone hates our freedom or /anything stupid like that. They basically laid out why they attacked us, why is it such a strange thing for people to believe that this group plotted and attacked us for the reasons they said they did? Why is it holding our head in the sand because we believe that people orchestrated an attack and pulled it off because of extreme dedication to what they were doing.
nope, couldn't be that. It had to be the US gov't in some strange plot to wage a war that has done nothing but weaken our standing as a super power, added to a situation that devalued the dollar to the point of near collapse, damaged our foreign relations abilities, damaged numerous relationships with allies, etc etc etc.
Well if you apply occams razor to the collapses of the buildings then that throughly supports Conrtolled Demolition... does it not????
no it doesn't. The simplest solution is that GIANT FUCKING PLANES hit the buildings structurally weakening them to the point of failure. they then fell on top of themselves (pancaked). Why is that so hard to believe?
again, we were attacked for the reasons given, not so a few white men could get a little more money that their "plot" successfully lowered the value of anyway.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
no it doesn't. The simplest solution is that GIANT FUCKING PLANES hit the buildings structurally weakening them to the point of failure. they then fell on top of themselves (pancaked). Why is that so hard to believe?
again, we were attacked for the reasons given, not so a few white men could get a little more money that their "plot" successfully lowered the value of anyway.
A plane is not going to structurally weaken the whole building. Not only that but those steel I beams are covered in Fireproofing. And you pancake theory has been dismissed by NIST / 911 Comission report.
Each level falling on top of another level will take a good ammount of time. The towers collapsed in 11 seconds, near free fall speed.
Don't you think that since the firestopping did not work at all and the building collapsed, then all sky scrappers in america should be checked for firestopping failure, since these steel buildings (the only ones in history) collapsed due to fire.
And the attack has nothing to do with money, Try thinking more of your personal freedoms and control. Look into the Patriot act.
Well, there's a difference between "a fire" and a huge goddamn plane ramming the building, tearing away who knows how many support beams and tearing away fire-proofing all over the place, exploding thousands of gallons of jet fuel on impact, and THEN having a big-ass fire eating away at the leftovers fueled by whatever stuff was in the office landscape. I'm not totally surprised it came down pretty fast when the 10 top floors dropped 2-3 meters through the compromised floor into the next, that the following collapses would just go faster and faster as it went down, nearing max speed pretty fast. It strengthens the theory that both towers came down after similar hits with the second one also getting a push from the first one falling down right next to it. Those tremors would locally be as strong as a pretty bad earthquake, after all.
So, the building was built to sustain fires, and it was actually built to sustain an airplane crashing into it. It was not built to sustain a huge plane filled with gas slamming in and starting a very hot fire in an entire, compromised floor. That's not an eventuality they usually think of.
As far as I've read, the official story is the one that makes most sense. (and is also the most thorough with a zounds of professionals being in on the process, who agreed to the "official story") The alternative explanations go off in all directions, killing eachother in the process.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Well, there's a difference between "a fire" and a huge goddamn plane ramming the building, tearing away who knows how many support beams and tearing away fire-proofing all over the place, exploding thousands of gallons of jet fuel on impact, and THEN having a big-ass fire eating away at the leftovers fueled by whatever stuff was in the office landscape. I'm not totally surprised it came down pretty fast when the 10 top floors dropped 2-3 meters through the compromised floor into the next, that the following collapses would just go faster and faster as it went down, nearing max speed pretty fast. It strengthens the theory that both towers came down after similar hits with the second one also getting a push from the first one falling down right next to it. Those tremors would locally be as strong as a pretty bad earthquake, after all.
So, the building was built to sustain fires, and it was actually built to sustain an airplane crashing into it. It was not built to sustain a huge plane filled with gas slamming in and starting a very hot fire in an entire, compromised floor. That's not an eventuality they usually think of.
As far as I've read, the official story is the one that makes most sense. (and is also the most thorough with a zounds of professionals being in on the process, who agreed to the "official story") The alternative explanations go off in all directions, killing eachother in the process.
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Can you tell me how Building 7 came done. and please make sure you back up your info with the offical story (NIST, 911 commission)
Well, there's a difference between "a fire" and a huge goddamn plane ramming the building, tearing away who knows how many support beams and tearing away fire-proofing all over the place, exploding thousands of gallons of jet fuel on impact, and THEN having a big-ass fire eating away at the leftovers fueled by whatever stuff was in the office landscape. I'm not totally surprised it came down pretty fast when the 10 top floors dropped 2-3 meters through the compromised floor into the next, that the following collapses would just go faster and faster as it went down, nearing max speed pretty fast. It strengthens the theory that both towers came down after similar hits with the second one also getting a push from the first one falling down right next to it. Those tremors would locally be as strong as a pretty bad earthquake, after all.
Tearing away the fire-proofing??? are you aware on how that is applied. ALso please look into newtons law of conservation of momentium, When something pancakes its goes floor by floor, meaning each floor slows the momentium each time, making the way that building feel agains the physics of this planet. Also tell me how concrete was pulzverized into dust? And please explain the molten steel seen days after collapse. Fire does weaken steel but do you understand jet fuel could never reach the tep. to leave molten steel. We have still yet to get an explanation for that.Sounds like we need to address a fireprooing inspecstion in all sky scrapers in america if building are burning down and causing the whole building to collapse, Don't you think?
Well, there's a difference between "a fire" and a huge goddamn plane ramming the building, tearing away who knows how many support beams and tearing away fire-proofing all over the place, exploding thousands of gallons of jet fuel on impact, and THEN having a big-ass fire eating away at the leftovers fueled by whatever stuff was in the office landscape. I'm not totally surprised it came down pretty fast when the 10 top floors dropped 2-3 meters through the compromised floor into the next, that the following collapses would just go faster and faster as it went down, nearing max speed pretty fast. It strengthens the theory that both towers came down after similar hits with the second one also getting a push from the first one falling down right next to it. Those tremors would locally be as strong as a pretty bad earthquake, after all.
Tearing away the fire-proofing??? are you aware on how that is applied. ALso please look into newtons law of conservation of momentium, When something pancakes its goes floor by floor, meaning each floor slows the momentium each time, making the way that building feel agains the physics of this planet. Also tell me how concrete was pulzverized into dust? And please explain the molten steel seen days after collapse. Fire does weaken steel but do you understand jet fuel could never reach the tep. to leave molten steel. We have still yet to get an explanation for that.Sounds like we need to address a fireprooing inspecstion in all sky scrapers in america if building are burning down and causing the whole building to collapse, Don't you think?
got any pictures of the molten steel?
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Well, there's a difference between "a fire" and a huge goddamn plane ramming the building, tearing away who knows how many support beams and tearing away fire-proofing all over the place, exploding thousands of gallons of jet fuel on impact, and THEN having a big-ass fire eating away at the leftovers fueled by whatever stuff was in the office landscape. I'm not totally surprised it came down pretty fast when the 10 top floors dropped 2-3 meters through the compromised floor into the next, that the following collapses would just go faster and faster as it went down, nearing max speed pretty fast. It strengthens the theory that both towers came down after similar hits with the second one also getting a push from the first one falling down right next to it. Those tremors would locally be as strong as a pretty bad earthquake, after all.
So, the building was built to sustain fires, and it was actually built to sustain an airplane crashing into it. It was not built to sustain a huge plane filled with gas slamming in and starting a very hot fire in an entire, compromised floor. That's not an eventuality they usually think of.
As far as I've read, the official story is the one that makes most sense. (and is also the most thorough with a zounds of professionals being in on the process, who agreed to the "official story") The alternative explanations go off in all directions, killing eachother in the process.
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Dan
Can you tell me how Building 7 came done. and please make sure you back up your info with the offical story (NIST, 911 commission)
Two of the tallest buildings in the country came down in a heap and shook the earth as far north as Maine. Why is it such a big mystery to people that building 7 came down? I'm actually suprised that was the only one.
wow... what a scientific answer. Thanks for clearning it.
Its not wonder people belivie the officail story, with rantionalizations like that one.
Why didn't any other building come down, especially once closer to the WTC buildings. Why does the commission report and NIST the bible that you clowns go by say they don't know how building 7 came down. I am not saying its an inside job, or even claim to know what happened, I am just trying to get some questions answered. I will post pictures of the molten steel, care to comment on that?
So controlled demolition? Not only did they cut beams in the building but they did it without anyone noticing it? for what 4 months too? :roll: Then let me guess too that it wasn't really a plane but a UAV.
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and what will you americans do if it were to be discovered beyond a shadow of a doubt that the destruction of the twin towers and the murder of all those poeple was perpetrated by the US government??
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and what will you americans do if it were to be discovered beyond a shadow of a doubt that the destruction of the twin towers and the murder of all those poeple was perpetrated by the US government??
one more for all the lazy americans.
One thing about media in the Unites States.......if the message it is trying to convey does not support the state line, chances are most americans will not see it. There is a bubble here that most are perfectly willing to reside in.
most of what we read, see hear is pro gov't....it takes an effort to learn the truth.....an effort most just can't seem to be bothered to put out.
I think its something in the food.
whether there is a conspiracy behind 9/11 or not is moot, most americans would never see the truth anyway.
something like 40% still get their news from the big 3 propaganda machines, that were so crucial in allowing W to invade Iraq......they're not journalists, they are puppets to manufacture consent.
the United States is an empire with the most advanced military in the world, they excel at warfare. if the enemy is public dissent or a foreign army, they know how to win.
and what will you americans do if it were to be discovered beyond a shadow of a doubt that the destruction of the twin towers and the murder of all those poeple was perpetrated by the US government??
one more for all the lazy americans.
One thing about media in the Unites States.......if the message it is trying to convey does not support the state line, chances are most americans will not see it. There is a bubble here that most are perfectly willing to reside in.
most of what we read, see hear is pro gov't....it takes an effort to learn the truth.....an effort most just can't seem to be bothered to put out.
I think its something in the food.
whether there is a conspiracy behind 9/11 or not is moot, most americans would never see the truth anyway.
something like 40% still get their news from the big 3 propaganda machines, that were so crucial in allowing W to invade Iraq......they're not journalists, they are puppets to manufacture consent.
the United States is an empire with the most advanced military in the world, they excel at warfare. if the enemy is public dissent or a foreign army, they know how to win.
still empires fall.
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Secondly, why must you assume that anyone who disagrees with your premise or conclusion that 9-11, Iraq and Afghanistan were all part of sinister or grandiose inside job or pre-planned occurrence, that it automatically means people live with their head in the sand or are oblivious or ignorant? That's a pretty silly comment to make in regards to anyone's opinion regarding most topics, especially this one. Ever hear the quote, "the man who knows everything, knows nothing at all"?
Lastly, there's been a million and one threads on this board where everything you have and haven't thought of have been discussed to death about this topic. I have commented and stated my opinion in some, this one in particular of recent. As you can see it's 16 pages with many comments on all sides of the spectrum from many users. Enjoy the read. (http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123518)
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The only conclusion I have jumped to is that you refuse to see there are other forces in control here. To accept the "governments" full story on 9/11 and accept their "reasons" for continuing war all over the globe is as I said before willful ignorance.
And to be clear I never said you are an idiot for not believing in a 9/11 conspiracy, the fault lies in accepting the official story and then labeling people that question it, Alex Jones followers. Refusing to even look and just accept is at the root of the problem.
Then your total dismissal of zerohedge told me all I need to know about you. Either you work in finance and are helping the problem or are willfully ignorant contributing to the idiocy of our populace.
The power behind this is immense, it is the power of the world.
It has no country, it is the world that is its playing field.
It has no one face. It can't be found, it can't be held accountable.
It has been here for centuries growing stronger with an agenda.
Is it good or evil?
Its means justify the end, disregarding life. Some would say that evil.
We are but pheasants, we have heard slaves.
The Earth needs a ruler, it needs to be saved, but not how we think.
This is their mission at all costs. Divide, conquer and destroy, rebuild as their own.
Conspiracy? not by definition. The entity is above the law, it is the law.
Have you looked at all the questions that don't make any sense on your theory or do you ignore them because this is much more exciting for you?
"I dropped off the money exactly as per... look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?"
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Also, and just to prove a point, are you a US citizen and pay taxes, if so, you're guilty of contributing to the problem and no better than anyone else. You point the finger at everyone else, but contribute to the machine buddy, so maybe you should recognize that fact before you start throwing stones instead of exempting yourself because you read a blog by anonymous writers who post about conspiracy theories.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
You have a copy of my tax return? Really? What does it say on it? That's what I thought. You wanted to get all high and mighty on me about jumping to conclusions... And I will continue to point the finger at people who don't see the painfully obvious or refuse to because they are too brainwashed by main stream media and government propaganda. Wake up. The crash is coming. The people in power are going to try and grab more power.
ZeroHedge is not about conspiracy theories, it is an investment blog. And not everyone is anonymous, just the people who run the site, therefore it cant be shut down as easily. Don't understand how that concept escapes you. People post articles on there all the time with who they are and whom they work for. Perhaps if you took a few minutes to read the site you would see that.
Continue on slave, its obvious you will only wake up after it all comes crashing on your head.
Also, what you call "painfully obvious" is only such to because you actually believe it. Bankers run the world and their after your livelihood....yadda yadda yadda. Heard it before. How come everyone else is brainwashed, yet you, who are so set in this opinion (which is all it is), can come off to all as such a know it all and everyone is oblivious, dumb, a slave or has their head in the sand? Please enlighten us further all knowing poster...
And you keep saying "crash".. can you be more specific so the rest of us here in reality know what you mean.
Lastly, your comments are comical as if people in power never try to seize or at least maintain their own... that's how it always have been since the beginning of time and will always be. Anything else to add about this captain obvious?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
if ya haven't noticed we are still in iraq so obviously it didn't matter if wmd's were found or not. they were using their same playbook as panama when cheney was sec of defense for daddy bush. they claimed noriega was a threat to america and our national security, we went in and killed thousands of innocent people to take out a former cia asset that stopped taking orders and was starting to talk....and then when the dust cleared and people wondered just how was panama a threat to us they just shrug it off and say well, gee, he was still a bad guy and we liberated a bunch of people from his oppression so it all works out.
so why not plant wmds? because they never needed to, they still got their funding approved regardless
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The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Don't blame Bush for keeping our troops in Iraq. I recall hundreds of Democratic candidates a few years back making campaign promises to bring our troops home if elected. I think one of them even kinda looked like our current president.
I never accused the "Republicans" of orchestrating 9/11. I think it was a group of power hungry elites led by Dick Cheney, who just happen to be Republican.
With 9/11, there are so many theories out there, god knows what really happened. But in my mind, there are 2 major things that point toward U.S. gov't complicity: First, the whitewashing of the 9-11 Commission Report is so obvious it's laughable. So many facts were left out or obscured. They never explain why FBI agents were constantly blocked when trying to investigate these known terrorists in our country, or how these terrorists were allowed to enter our country to begin with. Some of the commissioners who worked on the report have admitted that the White House was not cooperative and forthcoming with all the data. So I ask you, if they had nothing to hide, then what are they covering up?
Second, anybody who has studied the history of U.S. foreign relations over the past 30 years knows that the CIA built and runs the mujahideen or "al-Qaida." This is not speculation or conjecture. It is known. All you have to do is look it up.They were sent into Afghanistan to start a war with the Soviets in '79. Do you honestly think that once the war was over we just said, "okay guys, thanks for the help, see ya." ? I believe that the CIA used it's assets within al-Qaida to plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks. They also probably used the ISI and Mossad (pakistan and israel's intelligence services) to help facilitate the plot. It is known that Mohammed Atta received a money transfer of $100,000 from the Pakistani ISI right before the attacks. The CIA also used Pakistan to funnel money to the mjahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war. It is likely that many of the terrorists involved didn't even know they were being controlled by the U.S. government. There is also evidence to suggest that many of the hijackers didn't know it was going to be a suicide mission.
That's really all I have to say about it. All the information is out there, all you have to do is research it. I find it difficult to believe that anyone who took the time to do so would come away with any other conclusion than the following: Someone within the U.S. government was, AT THE VERY LEAST, aware of the 9/11 attacks and allowed them to happen.
If they’d found evidence of a nuclear program, the ENTIRE WORLD would have wanted to review the evidence, and it would have been out of their control. The 9/11 investigation wasn’t an international one, open to any meaningful peer review. A WMD find would have been, because it would have contradicted the UN weapons inspector reports.
Soooooo…..what’s the next best thing to planted weapons? Convince the public that they were found regardless of whether they were or not.
Depending on which poll you read, as many as half of all Americans believed that WMD WERE found in Iraq. Several such claims were made by the government ….(chemical agents…but as long as the catchphrase acronym is attached, does it matter?). A huge number of Americans DID believe they were found, and many more believe there were plans in place to produce them – combining the two showed a large majority of Americans thought WMD were actively being sought by Iraq. So why bother with a plant that could implicate them, when their objectives were met, and the public majority was, if not already convinced of WMD, at least confused or ignorant?
As far as the coalition nations go, it was all symbolic. The US did not give a flying fuck what their allies thought about them invading Iraq, and would have gone regardless of opposition – it WAS opposed by many traditional allies
when did i ever
-say republicans orchestrated 9/11?
-blame only bush for keeping troops in iraq?
-even bring up iraq or afghanistan other than to reply to someone else bringing it up?
i think bush was selected to be the fall guy. seriously, look at him. the only reason he got any of the jobs in his life were because of who his dad and grandfather are. he is a stupid, spoiled clown. he was picked to be the guy they point to and blame. he admitted he never read or looked into things, he relied on those around him to fill him in, isn't that admitting he is being controlled by a certain circle of individuals? he wasn't interested and even if he were he wouldn't know what do to. bush was picked to be sacrificed for the agenda, his credibility long term was never an issue.
it's not just 'iraq and afghanistan' if you read the pnac report 'rebuilding america's defenses' they lay out a pretty wide agenda. militarizing space, being more invasive, spending the surplus on 'defense' and dramatically increasing the budget....and it states their goals are much bigger than just iraq, it was about control of strategic and important region. it also stated that was the main reason to go there but the excuse of regime change would more likely get more support. and it concluded by saying all of these things would take a very long time to get where they wanted unless a new pearl harbor happened.
half his cabinet went down in flames?? like who?
and i DID give you an excuse why wmds weren't planted - it wasn't necessary, we are still there even without them, you can say the public doesn't support it but so the fuck what, we're still there and pissing money and lives away on it. the public was only needed for the initial support to get us there. what would have changed if wmds were found? nothing!
and you say his actions allowed to take the power back and what have they done with that power? nothing but be a spineless set of rubber stamps for the same agendas. when they won in '06 what the fuck did they do with their majority? instead of holding anyone accountable for the warrantless wiretapping they changed the fisa laws to make what they did legal. they still voted to approve the war funding. they still voted to reauthorize the patriot act.....so what have the dems actually done to counter any of bush's actions since '06 or '08??? so, you're saying bush's actions allowed the dems to take power only to continue the same policies? what does that prove?
also, the cofounder of pnac and some other neo-cons endorsed obama, some even back in the primaries.
and i'm with chris on the scenarios, if you look back at other conflicts like in kosovo members affiliated were hired and used in those regions, too. al qaeda was created while bin laden was receiving money from the cia and other governments, though the isi was the main go-betweens but the cia did have some people there in direct contact with the fighters. bin laden was a member of another group, who was being funded by the cia and other governments. then while still receiving money from those sources he created al qaeda which was set up to create training camps and to smuggle fighters, weapons, supplies....in and out of areas. some of those people who helped craft those decisions were in the bush administration and pnac. and these few people obviously have no problems sending our troops into 2 wars without the proper protection while they give no bid contracts and bonuses even after fraud is proven to friends but you think they would care about killing
and lastly - it wasn't just bush's failure to prove wmd's that they pulled out but we refused to allow them in on any of the contracts. and after it turned out it wasn't as easy and cheap as they promised people started to back out, still, so what? what did that change? we're still there, right? we're still approving massive amounts of money towards it, right?
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apply it please.
We were attacked because of our policies in the middle east. Not because anyone hates our freedom or anything stupid like that. They basically laid out why they attacked us, why is it such a strange thing for people to believe that this group plotted and attacked us for the reasons they said they did? Why is it holding our head in the sand because we believe that people orchestrated an attack and pulled it off because of extreme dedication to what they were doing.
nope, couldn't be that. It had to be the US gov't in some strange plot to wage a war that has done nothing but weaken our standing as a super power, added to a situation that devalued the dollar to the point of near collapse, damaged our foreign relations abilities, damaged numerous relationships with allies, etc etc etc.
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When will the gov. release all the vidoe tapes they confiscated from the near by hotels and gas stations that caught what hit the pentigon. Instead they release a video tape that shows nothing.
You would have to be a pretty stupid person to take this offical story and not question it.
The gov. has been doing this for years see Operation northwoods, gulf of Tonkinin, pearl harbor.
The bottom line is 9/11 has never been investigated. Bush identified the terrorists as Afghans on the day of 9/11 and never ordered any kind of investigation into the event until over a year later. And the men who carried out that investigation have openly admitted it was a white wash, a cover up.
We can speculate all day as to who is responsible and to what degree, but that is just mental masturbation. The simple fact is, no one knows, and whoever was behind 9/11 has had the better part of a decade to destroy evidence. Cave man conspiracy theorists have effectively thwarted justice for 3,000 murders, and they have the gall to infer that anyone who doesn't follow them lock-step is insane.
again, we were attacked for the reasons given, not so a few white men could get a little more money that their "plot" successfully lowered the value of anyway.
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Each level falling on top of another level will take a good ammount of time. The towers collapsed in 11 seconds, near free fall speed.
Don't you think that since the firestopping did not work at all and the building collapsed, then all sky scrappers in america should be checked for firestopping failure, since these steel buildings (the only ones in history) collapsed due to fire.
And the attack has nothing to do with money, Try thinking more of your personal freedoms and control. Look into the Patriot act.
So, the building was built to sustain fires, and it was actually built to sustain an airplane crashing into it. It was not built to sustain a huge plane filled with gas slamming in and starting a very hot fire in an entire, compromised floor. That's not an eventuality they usually think of.
As far as I've read, the official story is the one that makes most sense. (and is also the most thorough with a zounds of professionals being in on the process, who agreed to the "official story") The alternative explanations go off in all directions, killing eachother in the process.
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got any pictures of the molten steel?
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Two of the tallest buildings in the country came down in a heap and shook the earth as far north as Maine. Why is it such a big mystery to people that building 7 came down? I'm actually suprised that was the only one.
Its not wonder people belivie the officail story, with rantionalizations like that one.
Why didn't any other building come down, especially once closer to the WTC buildings. Why does the commission report and NIST the bible that you clowns go by say they don't know how building 7 came down. I am not saying its an inside job, or even claim to know what happened, I am just trying to get some questions answered. I will post pictures of the molten steel, care to comment on that?
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One thing about media in the Unites States.......if the message it is trying to convey does not support the state line, chances are most americans will not see it. There is a bubble here that most are perfectly willing to reside in.
most of what we read, see hear is pro gov't....it takes an effort to learn the truth.....an effort most just can't seem to be bothered to put out.
I think its something in the food.
whether there is a conspiracy behind 9/11 or not is moot, most americans would never see the truth anyway.
something like 40% still get their news from the big 3 propaganda machines, that were so crucial in allowing W to invade Iraq......they're not journalists, they are puppets to manufacture consent.
the United States is an empire with the most advanced military in the world, they excel at warfare. if the enemy is public dissent or a foreign army, they know how to win.
still empires fall.
but what would you do???
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say