The truth about 9/11

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  • Pats54
    Pats54 Posts: 276
    chris32482 wrote:
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Inside job - highly unlikely. If they wanted war support or whatever, they could have gotten that a lot cheaper than blowing up WTC.

    Peace
    Dan

    I don't think it has anything to do with cheap. In fact, a lot of people made billions of dollars off the WTC disaster. Put-option trading on Airline stocks was unprecedented in the week prior to the attacks, something like 100 times higher than normal, which is itself evidence to suggest somebody knew what was going to happen. And do you know how much money Dick Cheney probably got from Halliburton after they were awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?
    How much did he receive?
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Walk, don't leap.
    chris32482 wrote:
    I don't think it has anything to do with cheap. In fact, a lot of people made billions of dollars off the WTC disaster. Put-option trading on Airline stocks was unprecedented in the week prior to the attacks, something like 100 times higher than normal, which is itself evidence to suggest somebody knew what was going to happen. And do you know how much money Dick Cheney probably got from Halliburton after they were awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    chris32482 wrote:
    I don't think it has anything to do with cheap. In fact, a lot of people made billions of dollars off the WTC disaster. Put-option trading on Airline stocks was unprecedented in the week prior to the attacks, something like 100 times higher than normal, which is itself evidence to suggest somebody knew what was going to happen. And do you know how much money Dick Cheney probably got from Halliburton after they were awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?

    People making money off the situation that occurs (and the smart rich people always make money no matter what happens hedging their funds) is hardly evidence of anything. In Dick Cheney's case it's almost certainly some sort of corruption. But that's afterwards. As for a 100x normal anomaly in airline stocks, I'd need to see the proof of that, and that it really is an anomaly and not something that happens every once in a while. Stock movements are in any case poor evidence in themselves. Someone will always make money of whatever situation you can think of. That does not at all imply they made it happen just because it benefited them.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    chris32482 wrote:
    I don't think it has anything to do with cheap. In fact, a lot of people made billions of dollars off the WTC disaster. Put-option trading on Airline stocks was unprecedented in the week prior to the attacks, something like 100 times higher than normal, which is itself evidence to suggest somebody knew what was going to happen. And do you know how much money Dick Cheney probably got from Halliburton after they were awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?

    People making money off the situation that occurs (and the smart rich people always make money no matter what happens hedging their funds) is hardly evidence of anything. In Dick Cheney's case it's almost certainly some sort of corruption. But that's afterwards. As for a 100x normal anomaly in airline stocks, I'd need to see the proof of that, and that it really is an anomaly and not something that happens every once in a while. Stock movements are in any case poor evidence in themselves. Someone will always make money of whatever situation you can think of. That does not at all imply they made it happen just because it benefited them.

    Peace
    Dan

    How far have you managed to stick your head in the sand and believe what the powers that be tell you? We are all slaves to the power kabals and until we all realize this we are all fucked.

    Here is your evidence on the put options, oh wait, sorry they destroyed them, how convenient.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sec-go ... ut-options

    There are so many holes in the official story I am amazed how many people just believe it and shut up... Shut Up Slave! Go back to your main stream media and reality TV. Move along, nothing to see here...
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Always a great response... everyone's a sheep, no real proof because the "hidden powers to be" won't let you except for nicely pieced together excerpts from random places which mold an answer you deem logical even though in reality it's hearsay and half-truthes woven together. Keep up the good work! :roll:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    How far have you managed to stick your head in the sand and believe what the powers that be tell you? We are all slaves to the power kabals and until we all realize this we are all fucked.

    Here is your evidence on the put options, oh wait, sorry they destroyed them, how convenient.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sec-go ... ut-options

    There are so many holes in the official story I am amazed how many people just believe it and shut up... Shut Up Slave! Go back to your main stream media and reality TV. Move along, nothing to see here...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Always a great response... everyone's a sheep, no real proof because the "hidden powers to be" won't let you except for nicely pieced together excerpts from random places which mold an answer you deem logical even though in reality it's hearsay and half-truthes woven together. Keep up the good work! :roll:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    How far have you managed to stick your head in the sand and believe what the powers that be tell you? We are all slaves to the power kabals and until we all realize this we are all fucked.

    Here is your evidence on the put options, oh wait, sorry they destroyed them, how convenient.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sec-go ... ut-options

    There are so many holes in the official story I am amazed how many people just believe it and shut up... Shut Up Slave! Go back to your main stream media and reality TV. Move along, nothing to see here...

    Proof is everywhere buddy, wake up. You probably think there isn't any market manipulation going on either because CNBC tells you to buy stocks. Don't question anything and accept everything. :roll:
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yeah you got me, you're a real keen cat. Any other brain storms to add nostradamus?
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Proof is everywhere buddy, wake up. You probably think there isn't any market manipulation going on either because CNBC tells you to buy stocks. Don't question anything and accept everything. :roll:
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah you got me, you're a real keen cat. Any other brain storms to add nostradamus?
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Proof is everywhere buddy, wake up. You probably think there isn't any market manipulation going on either because CNBC tells you to buy stocks. Don't question anything and accept everything. :roll:

    Other than people like you are part of the problem, nope.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yeah that's good, anything else nice to add to the conversation? Wanna post about other conspiracy theories? Got anything on bigfoot?
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Other than people like you are part of the problem, nope.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah that's good, anything else nice to add to the conversation? Wanna post about other conspiracy theories? Got anything on bigfoot?
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Other than people like you are part of the problem, nope.

    Plenty going on over here, but it may be a bit over your head if you continue to look at the world through your present attitude.

    www.zerohedge.com
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    This is a funny site. From the "manifesto" portion of the site. I think it's appropriate the "founder" is named tyler durden, just like the character, fictitious and suits the site. Things must be fun on your side though, the spiderweb of connection and intrigue just as if it were made up or something...right?

    our mission:
    * to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public.
    * to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial journalism has become.
    * to liberate oppressed knowledge.
    * to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
    * to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
    our method: pseudonymous speech...
    anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. it thus exemplifies the purpose behind the bill of rights, and of the first amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation-- and their ideas from suppression-- at the hand of an intolerant society.
    ...responsibly used.
    the right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. but political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse.
    SolarWorld wrote:
    [
    Plenty going on over here, but it may be a bit over your head if you continue to look at the world through your present attitude.

    http://www.zerohedge.com
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • chris32482
    chris32482 Posts: 213
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    chris32482 wrote:
    I don't think it has anything to do with cheap. In fact, a lot of people made billions of dollars off the WTC disaster. Put-option trading on Airline stocks was unprecedented in the week prior to the attacks, something like 100 times higher than normal, which is itself evidence to suggest somebody knew what was going to happen. And do you know how much money Dick Cheney probably got from Halliburton after they were awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq?

    People making money off the situation that occurs (and the smart rich people always make money no matter what happens hedging their funds) is hardly evidence of anything. In Dick Cheney's case it's almost certainly some sort of corruption. But that's afterwards. As for a 100x normal anomaly in airline stocks, I'd need to see the proof of that, and that it really is an anomaly and not something that happens every once in a while. Stock movements are in any case poor evidence in themselves. Someone will always make money of whatever situation you can think of. That does not at all imply they made it happen just because it benefited them.

    Peace
    Dan

    I read that Cheney's Halliburton stocks went from around $400,000 to $24 million after the war. I know that is not incriminating, but my point is, you have to look at who benefited and who did not from 9/11. When you investigate a crime you always look for a motive. Bin Laden and his people didn't get shit for what happened. I guarantee they are a lot worse off than they were before. Cheney and a lot of his friends however, are in a much better position. Let us not forget that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Condoleeza Rice were all part of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), which literally described its goal as U.S. dominance of the world. You can read their report here http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

    As far as the insider trading, that was actually reported by mainstream news media, including CNN, shortly after the attacks. It's been studied and wrote about by economists and was mentioned (though not explained) by the 9/11 Commission Report. Here is one article that discusses it http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2001-09-26-suspicious-trading.htm
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I've read the the PNAC report before (all the way through) have you? Because if you have, you'd probably see lots of things which get taken out of context or are looked back upon in a different light because you're viewing a policy paper written in a pre-9-11 world, and looking at it in a post 9-11 world (and all that's occurred since). If you remember specifically, GW Bush campaigned and had no intention of getting our nation in foreign entanglements - he campaigned that America wasn't in the business of nation building. And also keep in mind during this time frame (during the Clinton years), the US was in Iraq's business due to the food for oil program, nuclear inspectors as well as the regular no fly-zone areas and occasion bombings we would do. At this time, we considered Iraq and Saddam to be a major threat in the Middle East. Also, the people you mention below are and have always been hawkish republicans, but that doesn't mean that somehow equates to allowing or participating in such events like 9-11. Lastly, if you read the PNAC report, the first thing mentioned in detail is building up homeland security... and just so you're clear, there's plenty in that report and from that group that has never, ever come to fruition, so to simply point out a few comments in a foreign policy piece beforehand and then correlate it to some sign of guilt after the fact is misplaced.

    Also, in terms of Cheney and Halliburton, to assume these people provoked or were involved in attack which then led to policy change and then years later, future invasion of Iraq so stocks could go up - well that's a leap and stretch beyond legitimacy.
    chris32482 wrote:
    I read that Cheney's Halliburton stocks went from around $400,000 to $24 million after the war. I know that is not incriminating, but my point is, you have to look at who benefited and who did not from 9/11. When you investigate a crime you always look for a motive. Bin Laden and his people didn't get shit for what happened. I guarantee they are a lot worse off than they were before. Cheney and a lot of his friends however, are in a much better position. Let us not forget that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Condoleeza Rice were all part of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), which literally described its goal as U.S. dominance of the world. You can read their report here http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

    As far as the insider trading, that was actually reported by mainstream news media, including CNN, shortly after the attacks. It's been studied and wrote about by economists and was mentioned (though not explained) by the 9/11 Commission Report. Here is one article that discusses it http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2001-09-26-suspicious-trading.htm
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yeah that's good, anything else nice to add to the conversation? Wanna post about other conspiracy theories? Got anything on bigfoot?

    bigfoot is real, that is all.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    FiveB247x wrote:
    This is a funny site. From the "manifesto" portion of the site. I think it's appropriate the "founder" is named tyler durden, just like the character, fictitious and suits the site. Things must be fun on your side though, the spiderweb of connection and intrigue just as if it were made up or something...right?

    our mission:
    * to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public.
    * to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial journalism has become.
    * to liberate oppressed knowledge.
    * to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
    * to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
    our method: pseudonymous speech...
    anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. it thus exemplifies the purpose behind the bill of rights, and of the first amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation-- and their ideas from suppression-- at the hand of an intolerant society.
    ...responsibly used.
    the right to remain anonymous may be abused when it shields fraudulent conduct. but political speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse.
    SolarWorld wrote:
    [
    Plenty going on over here, but it may be a bit over your head if you continue to look at the world through your present attitude.

    http://www.zerohedge.com

    Again, it's more convenient to continue living your life like you have some sort of control over it. These people that run and post on zero hedge work in the banking industry, you expect them to list their names and places of work while the expose the fraud know as the finance world? Are you really that naive? Perhaps or perhaps you are just content living your life as a slave to the system. Enjoy it while you can, I wonder what you'll be saying when people start rioting here like they are in Greece and Spain. Wake the fuck up! Stop watching the idiot box, there is no 'news' there, only propaganda which you clearly are on a daily dose of.

    bTW if you stopped and thought about what happened at the end of Fight Club and maybe read some of the content (though again it's probably way over your head) you might have some sort of idea of where the site is coming from. The collapse is coming and they are just reporting the day to day on it. But continue on slave, nothing to see here. You are a lost cause.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    "two to the head" so to speak....

    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/65284,new ... ed-himself
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Thanks for sharing! A few demotivational posters - enjoy.

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    Btw, what's with all the "slave" talk... you got your insults all mixed up. It's sheep, not slave.
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Again, it's more convenient to continue living your life like you have some sort of control over it. These people that run and post on zero hedge work in the banking industry, you expect them to list their names and places of work while the expose the fraud know as the finance world? Are you really that naive? Perhaps or perhaps you are just content living your life as a slave to the system. Enjoy it while you can, I wonder what you'll be saying when people start rioting here like they are in Greece and Spain. Wake the fuck up! Stop watching the idiot box, there is no 'news' there, only propaganda which you clearly are on a daily dose of.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Nope it's slave buddy, you're a slave to the propaganda machine. Slave to the idea governments and banks are to be trusted. Slave to the idea everything is fine and we the people are in control of our lives.

    And to the people who don't have their head in the sand, here is a level headed professor talking about 9/11 and the Afgan war. It's a great listen.

    http://newworldnotes.blogspot.com/2010/ ... 1-and.html
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

    So were you a fan of this professor before he wrote his little book? And what a shocker, he's been on Alex Jones! Small world eh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Nope it's slave buddy, you're a slave to the propaganda machine. Slave to the idea governments and banks are to be trusted. Slave to the idea everything is fine and we the people are in control of our lives.

    And to the people who don't have their head in the sand, here is a level headed professor talking about 9/11 and the Afgan war. It's a great listen.

    http://newworldnotes.blogspot.com/2010/ ... 1-and.html
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

    So were you a fan of this professor before he wrote his little book? And what a shocker, he's been on Alex Jones! Small world eh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Nope it's slave buddy, you're a slave to the propaganda machine. Slave to the idea governments and banks are to be trusted. Slave to the idea everything is fine and we the people are in control of our lives.

    And to the people who don't have their head in the sand, here is a level headed professor talking about 9/11 and the Afgan war. It's a great listen.

    http://newworldnotes.blogspot.com/2010/ ... 1-and.html

    Have you even looked at the questions raised or are you too scared to realize everything that has been told to you is a lie? Really what is it? We have been in two of the longest wars in our history based on one event in which the official story has an amazing amount of holes in them. I just don't get this willful ignorance.

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